Interethnic Sex

[EmilyMiller]

I just wrote my first interethnic sex scene (I find the term interracial unhelpful). It’s not central to the plot, it’s a dream the FMC has about two of her work superiors having a FMF threesome with her. The guy happens to be black and I sort of treat it as wholly irrelevant, apart from passing reference to skin tone (in a positive manner).

It’s a dream, these people are incidental to the plot and don’t have backstories or motivations. But it still felt like a cop-out of sorts. I’m not sure of it was a good thing to do, or if I was just doing it for the hell of it.

The same story has my first interspecies sex scene, which I treat with much greater weight.

Em

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Last time I added a disclaimer I had two rabid jackals snapping at my legs, but whatever. I’ve never been intimate with a black guy (simply not had the opportunity), but have with a black girl (twice - with the same girl). So I just wrote the guy as a guy. Seemed the way to go.

 

[djrip]

and I sort of treat it as wholly irrelevant, apart from passing reference to skin tone (in a positive manner).

Exactly how I have handled it.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Exactly how I have handled it.

But is that me writing a white guy in a black skin suit*? I sort of wanted him being black to be incidental, but maybe that was a bit lazy. Such a minefield. The white woman’s burden right?

Em

My day for disclaimers - the above is poking fun at my own [probably misplaced] angst, not anyone else.

* I guess that’s probably my belief, all ethnicity is basically a different skin suit over exactly the same type of people underneath. Maybe I’m naive.

 

[Zootonius]

But is that me writing a white guy in a black skin suit*? I sort of wanted him being black to be incidental, but maybe that was a bit lazy. Such a minefield. The white woman’s burden right?

Em

My day for disclaimers - the above is poking fun at my own [probably misplaced] angst, not anyone else.

* I guess that’s probably my belief, all ethnicity is basically a different skin suit over exactly the same type of people underneath. Maybe I’m naive.

I wrote a black girlfriend for a young white guy and had the same angst. In the end her character just came out, i.e. she was who she was. Her physical appearance was described through her lover's eyes.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I wrote a black girlfriend for a young white guy and had the same angst. In the end her character just came out, i.e. she was who she was. Her physical appearance was described through her lover's eyes.

That sounds good to me

 

[sixfoot4]

I just wrote my first interethnic sex scene (I find the term interracial unhelpful). It’s not central to the plot, it’s a dream the FMC has about two of her work superiors having a FMF threesome with her. The guy happens to be black and I sort of treat it as wholly irrelevant, apart from passing reference to skin tone (in a positive manner).

It’s a dream, these people are incidental to the plot and don’t have backstories or motivations. But it still felt like a cop-out of sorts. I’m not sure of it was a good thing to do, or if I was just doing it for the hell of it.

The same story has my first interspecies sex scene, which I treat with much greater weight.

Em

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Last time I added a disclaimer I had two rabid jackals snapping at my legs, but whatever. I’ve never been intimate with a black guy (simply not had the opportunity), but have with a black girl (twice - with the same girl). So I just wrote the guy as a guy. Seemed the way to go.

Did the ethnicity of the characters influence they way you portrayed them eg physicality, stamina, sexual preferences?

 

[EmilyMiller]

Did the ethnicity of the characters influence they way you portrayed them eg physicality, stamina, sexual preferences?

No. I tried to push against ethnic tropes.

Em

 

[MelissaBaby]

But is that me writing a white guy in a black skin suit*? I sort of wanted him being black to be incidental, but maybe that was a bit lazy. Such a minefield. The white woman’s burden right?

Em

My day for disclaimers - the above is poking fun at my own [probably misplaced] angst, not anyone else.

* I guess that’s probably my belief, all ethnicity is basically a different skin suit over exactly the same type of people underneath. Maybe I’m naive.

You have touched on an important point. Is it cool to just write a generic character, and throw in their ethnicity, as if there were no cultural distinctions among ethnic groups? Black people aren’t just white people with different pigmentation. It seems like a lot of white writers who would have no problem creating an Italian character who loves opera or an Irish one who loves his Guinness, when it comes to writing people of color, get skittish, afraid to unintentionally offend.

I am very fortunate in that my husband is Black and I can run my writing by him. His advice is always that, deep down, you know if what you’ve written treats the character with respect. If it doesn’t trash it.

An example would be in White Castle Christmas, when Clover (white) asks Sporty (Black) why so many Black families eat macaroni and cheese as part of their Christmas dinner. Sporty simply replies, “Because it’s good as hell.”

I wondered if that flirted with stereotyping, but hubs said, “No, it’s true and it’s funny.”

I acknowledged a cultural difference between the two characters, and it seems to have served the story well. It only does so because Sporty is explicitly a Black man, not just that one dark brown cookie that you think is chocolate, but tastes like all the others.

 

[SimonDoom]

My two cents. This is a fantasy space, where people should be free to express their fantasies without guilt or shame. Fantasies often have a transgressive quality. That's OK, IMO. Ask yourself: what is the probability that your expression of your fantasy in a story at Literotica might have an adverse consequence in the real world? I'd say it's probably vanishingly small. So don't worry about it.

If your fantasy entails expressing a view that is hostile or insulting to a certain group of people, then be prepared to have readers criticize you for it. It's fair for them to do so. But there's a subtle (though significant) difference between that and a fantasy that plays with tropes and stereotypes in recognition of the fact--and it is a fact--that in their fantasy lives people enjoy indulging in certain ways of thinking, including stereotypes. Here's the reality: there are plenty of white women who fantasize about being fucked by black men (the "BBC" fantasy), and there are plenty of black men who fantasize about fucking white women. If you doubt that, you haven't checked out enough fetish websites. Are they wrong? Should they be ashamed of their fantasies? Does the expression of these fantasies in writing do damage in any meaningful sense? I don't think so, here at Literotica, anyway.

 

[Britva415]

I'm not seeing a Chekov's Gun here, that is to say, incidentalism doesn't provide a reason for the interethnicality.

I guess it's fine, it's just not plot is all. It's not really fantasy either if the interethnicality is merely incidental and not explored.

I'm also not saying you have to make it a Chekov's Gun, either, I'm just reacting to your - well, these aren't questions, exactly:

But it still felt like a cop-out of sorts. I’m not sure of it was a good thing to do, or if I was just doing it for the hell of it.

I'm treating those statements like the Chekov's Gun of your post. They're there for people to react to, right? There's a reason they're there?

Anyway back on topic - I'm not saying you have to make the guy's skin color a Chekov's Gun. And I'm not sure what you mean by cop-out exactly, either, but it does kind of seem like copping out of writing about it beyond the merely incidental. It wasn't a bad thing to do, you were indeed doing it just for the hell of it, I just see it as a bit of a missed opportunity.

It's kind of like - if you didn't want to take it, there wasn't really a reason to do it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have.

 

[MelissaBaby]

My two cents. This is a fantasy space, where people should be free to express their fantasies without guilt or shame. Fantasies often have a transgressive quality. That's OK, IMO. Ask yourself: what is the probability that your expression of your fantasy in a story at Literotica might have an adverse consequence in the real world? I'd say it's probably vanishingly small. So don't worry about it.

If your fantasy entails expressing a view that is hostile or insulting to a certain group of people, then be prepared to have readers criticize you for it. It's fair for them to do so. But there's a subtle (though significant) difference between that and a fantasy that plays with tropes and stereotypes in recognition of the fact--and it is a fact--that in their fantasy lives people enjoy indulging in certain ways of thinking, including stereotypes. Here's the reality: there are plenty of white women who fantasize about being fucked by black men (the "BBC" fantasy), and there are plenty of black men who fantasize about fucking white women. If you doubt that, you haven't checked out enough fetish websites. Are they wrong? Should they be ashamed of their fantasies? Does the expression of these fantasies in writing do damage in any meaningful sense? I don't think so, here at Literotica, anyway.

As with so many issues discussed here, the most appropriate response to the problem of including diverse characters while avoiding stereotyping is “Write better.”

 

[lovecraft68]

The good news is you wrote it the way it should be written. People are people, the skin tone reference creates a hot contrast between the lovers and that's it

The bad news is you're going against 90% of the IR stories and readership expectations here by not turning it into a racist AF pile of cliches and poor stereotypes that is sadly what drives the genre.

 

[IsobelDoc]

I'm not seeing a Chekov's Gun here, that is to say, incidentalism doesn't provide a reason for the interethnicality.

I guess it's fine, it's just not plot is all. It's not really fantasy either if the interethnicality is merely incidental and not explored.

I'm also not saying you have to make it a Chekov's Gun, either, I'm just reacting to your - well, these aren't questions, exactly:

I'm treating those statements like the Chekov's Gun of your post. They're there for people to react to, right? There's a reason they're there?

Anyway back on topic - I'm not saying you have to make the guy's skin color a Chekov's Gun. And I'm not sure what you mean by cop-out exactly, either, but it does kind of seem like copping out of writing about it beyond the merely incidental. It wasn't a bad thing to do, you were indeed doing it just for the hell of it, I just see it as a bit of a missed opportunity.

It's kind of like - if you didn't want to take it, there wasn't really a reason to do it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have.

Not every woman has a fantasy about having a black man. I think the way she wrote this was exaclty right - a man is a man - she isnt pandering to the myths about black men, nor to the racist bullshit that black men are an extra low level of perversity. He is just a man - and his skin happens to be a different colour - no big deal.

 

[Britva415]

the IR stories and readership expectations here

Was it even in the IR category?

 

[EmilyMiller]

I'm not seeing a Chekov's Gun here, that is to say, incidentalism doesn't provide a reason for the interethnicality.

I guess it's fine, it's just not plot is all. It's not really fantasy either if the interethnicality is merely incidental and not explored.

I'm also not saying you have to make it a Chekov's Gun, either, I'm just reacting to your - well, these aren't questions, exactly:

I'm treating those statements like the Chekov's Gun of your post. They're there for people to react to, right? There's a reason they're there?

Anyway back on topic - I'm not saying you have to make the guy's skin color a Chekov's Gun. And I'm not sure what you mean by cop-out exactly, either, but it does kind of seem like copping out of writing about it beyond the merely incidental. It wasn't a bad thing to do, you were indeed doing it just for the hell of it, I just see it as a bit of a missed opportunity.

It's kind of like - if you didn't want to take it, there wasn't really a reason to do it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have.

Every one of my characters across 20+ stories has been white. Given that a lot of my stuff is semi-autobiographical, that’s just an accurate reflection of fact (as I say I have slept with a black girl, never a black guy). However, it began to feel odd to me that my little corner of the porn universe was so Caucasian. Whether what I did was the right first step, I don’t know.

Em

 

[IsobelDoc]

Every one of my characters across 20+ stories has been white. Given that a lot of my stuff is semi-autobiographical, that’s just an accurate reflection of fact (as I say I have slept with a black girl, never a black guy). However, it began to feel odd to me that my little corner of the porn universe was so Caucasian. Whether what I did was the right first step, I don’t know.

Em

I honestly dont see why you have to go down this route in the first place. If you've not slept with a black man, there must be a reason. That reason is probably that you have never met one that you wanted to sleep with. It has probably got nothing to do with him being black, but just that there was no attraction for you. Why do you feel obliged to include IR in your stories? This is the part I dont understand.

 

[djrip]

I honestly dont see why you have to go down this route in the first place. If you've not slept with a black man, there must be a reason. That reason is probably that you have never met one that you wanted to sleep with. It has probably got nothing to do with him being black, but just that there was no attraction for you. Why do you feel obliged to include IR in your stories? This is the part I dont understand.

Why should anyone's stories be limited to the kinds of people they've been with IRL?

 

[EmilyMiller]

If I can expand on my main motivation, it was probably anti-BBC.

I find BBC distasteful (not IRL, I’m sure they taste yummy). It feels like the black guys are the other, animalistic, savage. At best they are Boxer from Animal Farm. Every black guy is also ripped, which seems less the case with white male pornstars. The language around BBC videos is about accepting challenges and being fucked as never before. About never going back. I find it icky.

What I wanted was a normal black guy, who was just a regular Joe. Not an African prince or warrior. Not hung like a horse. Just a guy.

Maybe I leant too far into that.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

I honestly dont see why you have to go down this route in the first place. If you've not slept with a black man, there must be a reason. That reason is probably that you have never met one that you wanted to sleep with. It has probably got nothing to do with him being black, but just that there was no attraction for you. Why do you feel obliged to include IR in your stories? This is the part I dont understand.

It may not be what you intended, but that kinda came across as me having a dislike for black guys, or not seeing them as potential sexual partners. Truth is, for reasons I’m not expanding on here, I didn’t see any guy I didn’t already know as a sexual partner for years. I dated girls and I fucked guys in the sex-related group I was part of. Not sure what you say is me, TBH.

Em

 

[IsobelDoc]

It may not be what you intended, but that kinda came across as me having a dislike for black guys, or not seeing them as potential sexual partners. Truth is, for reasons I’m not expanding on here, I didn’t see any guy I didn’t already know as a sexual partner for years. I dated girls and I fucked guys in the sex-related group I was part of. Not sure what you say is me, TBH.

Em

Absolutely not - I never intended to intimate that you disliked black guys - my meaning was that you just felt no sexual attraction to them, in the same way you might not feel attracted to short men or skinny men.
Like you in your post - i'm very anti BBC and the trope that every girl wants a huge black cock really pisses me off. I DONT want a black cock of any particular size, black men don't do it for me - it has nothing to do with their race - it's just that so far, and I specify so far, i have not met one that I have had enough of a connection with to want to take him to bed.
I also dont particularly like overly ripped guys, no matter their colour - from experience they are far too much in love with themselves to give any of it away to their partner.

 

[Rob_Royale]

The guy happens to be black and I sort of treat it as wholly irrelevant, apart from passing reference to skin tone (in a positive manner).

This is the way I've done it also. I find people of all ethnicities beautiful or handsome and I want to include that in my stories. I've included an older black woman in one story and a young black man and Latin woman in another, all as sexual participants, and plan for a mixed-race young man as the love interest in a third. I was wanting a devastatingly handsome guy with a great smile. Shemar Moore from Criminal Minds came to mind. Boom, done.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Why should anyone's stories be limited to the kinds of people they've been with IRL?

I agree. I wrote an entire Futanari story once

 

[EmilyMiller]

This is the way I've done it also. I find people of all ethnicities beautiful or handsome and I want to include that in my stories. I've included an older black woman in one story and a young black man and Latin woman in another, all as sexual participants, and plan for a mixed-race young man as the love interest in a third. I was wanting a devastatingly handsome guy with a great smile. Shemar Moore from Criminal Minds came to mind. Boom, done.

I just wanted it to be normal.

Em

 

[Smarthomanid2]

I agree. I wrote an entire Futanari story once

And it was awesome, but it doesn't mean you are futa... We are ya?

 

[EmilyMiller]

And it was awesome, but it doesn't mean you are futa... We are ya?

Hang on, let me check.

No sadly not .

Em