What can underage characters see/know?

[oggbashan]

You haven't read the story - so you can't comment on its quality from that mere fact alone - the fact that you do shows your narrow minded attitude. All you have done here is show your ignorance There are a million reasons why artificially aging a character to fit in with a sites rules might completely destroy the characters credibility within the story and thus affect the story itself.

I have read this thread and the statements made about the story.
If an author can't get around the age issue...

I won't go on.

 

[PastMaster]

Literotica has rules. Unfortunately the rules are enforced in...an idiosyncratic fashion. It depends on who reviews your story and what kind of mood they're in.

This is a point i have made time and time again - only to be shouted down and told that the rules is the rules - I accept that - or would if they had some consistency in how they were applied.

 

[PastMaster]

I have read this thread and the statements made about the story.
If an author can't get around the age issue...

I won't go on.

As was stated before - all you have done is reinforced that you are one of the literotica sheep who constantly bleat that there is nothing rotten in the state of Denmark and if anyone has any problems, not necessarily with the rules as stated, but how they are applied then it is a problem with the author themselves.
To say that a story, that you have not read, is rubbish just because changing it to meet your particular idea of what is right would damage it, is so ridiculous I have no idea how you could even type that with a straight face.
Literotica would ban several mainstream stories by bestselling authors because they breach the rules.
Are you going to tell them that their stories are rubbish because they didnt make their characters over 18 when it was inappropriate to do so?

 

[KeithD]

Literotica has rules. Unfortunately the rules are enforced in...an idiosyncratic fashion. It depends on who reviews your story

There is only one submissions editor for stories here. She may be ruling influenced by her daily mood. That's certainly arguable. But it doesn't depend on who reviews your story on whether it gets passed or not. There's only one person doing the reviewing of everything.

 

[KeithD]

This is a point i have made time and time again - only to be shouted down and told that the rules is the rules - I accept that - or would if they had some consistency in how they were applied.

Then you too just won't understand what is often pointed out here--that there's only one, single, solitary submissions editor for stories here?

 

[Senor_Smut]

I have read this thread and the statements made about the story.
If an author can't get around the age issue...

I won't go on.

Allow me, as the author in question, to finish your sentence for you: "If the author can't get around the age issue, then there must be compelling structural reasons inside the story that are posed by aging the characters up."

Maybe, just maybe, speaking from pure ignorance isn't the best look. Just because you stamp your little foot and get all snarky doesn't mean you're right.

 

[PastMaster]

There is only one submissions editor for stories here. She may be ruling influenced by her daily mood. That's certainly arguable. But it doesn't depend on who reviews your story on whether it gets passed or not. There's only one person doing the reviewing of everything.

not being argumentative but just asking - do you actually know that to be a fact - or are you making an assumption. Considering that there seems to be so little known about the workings of literotica - I am surprised that you can state that with such certainty.

 

[Senor_Smut]

There is only one submissions editor for stories here. She may be ruling influenced by her daily mood. That's certainly arguable. But it doesn't depend on who reviews your story on whether it gets passed or not. There's only one person doing the reviewing of everything.

In that case her take on the rules is inconsistent. She's human and it's inevitable, nobody is 100% consistent on all things, all the time.

I do find it difficult to believe that she has time to review the scores of stories (some of which are very long) submitted to the site daily in any sort of systematic fashion; the workload is obviously vastly too large for any single person to handle and thoroughly read every story. This would explain why sometimes things slip through and other times they are caught. Undoubtedly I will be vehemently attacked for stating the obvious.

 

[Euphony]

not being argumentative but just asking - do you actually know that to be a fact - or are you making an assumption. Considering that there seems to be so little known about the workings of literotica - I am surprised that you can state that with such certainty.

"Just asking questions" and hypotheticals.

Can we just not?

Seriously.

 

[KeithD]

not being argumentative but just asking - do you actually know that to be a fact - or are you making an assumption. Considering that there seems to be so little known about the workings of literotica - I am surprised that you can state that with such certainty.

Yes, you ARE being argumentative. You are constantly and consistently argumentative here. It's been stated for decades and never refuted by administration. I do believe the single submissions editor, Laurel, has stated that on the discussion board, but I don't have citations. And, yes, I believe it's true. Maybe someone, like Reject Reality, who seems to have a direct link in to her, could query her on that point again.

Would it be worthwhile with you for someone to do that? You seem to just want to disbelieve and attack.

Have I mentioned just how incredibly tiresome it is to have this underage discussion, which no board posters have any imput in, to be raised again and again and again and again and again?

 

[Senor_Smut]

Have I mentioned just how incredibly tiresome it is to have this underage discussion, which no board posters have any imput in, to be raised again and again and again and again and again?

Dude, then don't reply. If you're sick of a particular topic, just don't engage. Don't come in with attitude when someone asks a question, that just leads to authors and potential authors assuming no assistance can be found on these boards and that the community is hostile.

 

[Euphony]

Would it be worthwhile with you for someone to do that? You seem to just want to disbelieve and attack.

Have I mentioned just how incredibly tiresome it is to have this underage discussion, which no board posters have any imput in, to be raised again and again and again and again and again?

 

[KeithD]

In that case her take on the rules is inconsistent. She's human and it's inevitable, nobody is 100% consistent on all things, all the time.

I do find it difficult to believe that she has time to review the scores of stories (some of which are very long) submitted to the site daily in any sort of systematic fashion; the workload is obviously vastly too large for any single person to handle and thoroughly read every story. This would explain why sometimes things slip through and other times they are caught. Undoubtedly I will be vehemently attacked for stating the obvious.

You seem to have missed that I agreed her rulings might be inconsistent by mood.

It's also been stated time and time again that she doesn't read the submissions. She had some sort of program that runs over them looking for frequent problems and probably sends rejections before she even sees the submission. She doesn't have time to more than scan anything. No, this isn't good. But you are just one of a long parade of disgruntled entitlers drifting through and not bothering to learn the system here before telling us how you want the place redecorated.

 

[KeithD]

Dude, then don't reply. If you're sick of a particular topic, just don't engage. Don't come in with attitude when someone asks a question, that just leads to authors and potential authors assuming no assistance can be found on these boards and that the community is hostile.

Pound sand. You're one of the ones who is complaining that the Web site doesn't redecorate itself to your liking. My replies to your whining were to try to help you understand what you haven't lifted a finger to try to understand on your own.

 

[Voboy]

As was stated before - all you have done is reinforced that you are one of the literotica sheep who constantly bleat that there is nothing rotten in the state of Denmark and if anyone has any problems, not necessarily with the rules as stated, but how they are applied then it is a problem with the author themselves.
To say that a story, that you have not read, is rubbish just because changing it to meet your particular idea of what is right would damage it, is so ridiculous I have no idea how you could even type that with a straight face.
Literotica would ban several mainstream stories by bestselling authors because they breach the rules.
Are you going to tell them that their stories are rubbish because they didnt make their characters over 18 when it was inappropriate to do so?

Why the ad-hominems?

The fact is that 18 is a hard limit here. You know this. Everyone knows this. Railing against it is useless. Dozens of writers each day manage to make their stories fit here, so if you cannot, then the fault lies less with the site than with you.

If writers won't compromise whatever principle they value, that's cool. They're more than free to post elsewhere. But if they do, then coming back here to complain just seems mean-spirited... and, again, useless.

Ogg's point is one that I'm generally sympathetic toward, though I'd have phrased it differently. As a guy who's written more than his share of stories set in high schools, would it sometimes be more realistic to have 16-year-olds bangin'? Sure. But if my story can't allow an age-up of a mere two years, then I'd agree the story is probably on the weak side. A cleverly themed and well written story should be able to sustain that small of a change.

 

[Euphony]

Don't come in with attitude

Seriously.
Can you not see yourself?



If there was an attitude tally, you are win, placing, and showing.

 

[ElectricBlue]

As was stated before - all you have done is reinforced that you are one of the literotica sheep who constantly bleat that there is nothing rotten in the state of Denmark and if anyone has any problems, not necessarily with the rules as stated, but how they are applied then it is a problem with the author themselves.
To say that a story, that you have not read, is rubbish just because changing it to meet your particular idea of what is right would damage it, is so ridiculous I have no idea how you could even type that with a straight face.
Literotica would ban several mainstream stories by bestselling authors because they breach the rules.
Are you going to tell them that their stories are rubbish because they didnt make their characters over 18 when it was inappropriate to do so?

Do you see now why this gets tedious, the old hands trying to give newbies some guidance, that guidance being rejected as toadi-ism or whatever the fuck, when what it actually is, is writers knowing how to get their stuff published? Without going over the Lit policy lines, which are very clearly drawn, and not at all hard to understand.

Write about adult sexuality on Literotica and you have no problems at all, and leave teenagers to explore their sexuality in some safe place else, which is not Literotica.

Why adults keep wanting to write about teenagers is beyond me. As I said in another thread, age them up as required, write your first time story just the once, like we all have, and be done with it. Then write about adults. Life is easy when you do that. Protest too much, and folk begin to wonder what it is you want to publish; that too should be pretty obvious by now.

 

[Senor_Smut]

What's baffling to me is how I clearly stated multiple times that I would not try to get the story published here and yet I still got slammed for somehow trying to sneak kiddie porn into Literotica or told in so many words that I'm a bad author for not changing the story so it would fit site rules.

 

[Euphony]

Why the ad-hominems?

As his discourse has shown, mostly ego under the guise of some weird creative authority.

The fact is that 18 is a hard limit here. You know this. Everyone knows this. Railing against it is useless. Dozens of writers each day manage to make their stories fit here, so if you cannot, then the fault lies less with the site than with you.

Everybody who writes/engages regularly here knows this and has their own levels of frustrations with it. Someone ignoring that reality is insulting to the intelligence and experience of us who have lived in this space with its rules for a looooooong time. Literally a quick search should disabuse anyone of the idea that they've brought something new/novel to the discussions. (not that some stroke of genius is changing any rule here one iota)

If writers won't compromise whatever principle they value, that's cool. They're more than free to post elsewhere. But if they do, then coming back here to complain just seems mean-spirited... and, again, useless.

Faithless arguers gonna faithless argue.
Usually under the guise of community, justice, creativity, etc.
Now if we view it from the lens of an ego fluff...

Ogg's point is one that I'm generally sympathetic toward, though I'd have phrased it differently. As a guy who's written more than his share of stories set in high schools, would it sometimes be more realistic to have 16-year-olds bangin'? Sure. But if my story can't allow an age-up of a mere two years, then I'd agree the story is probably on the weak side. A cleverly themed and well written story should be able to sustain that small of a change.

Ogg didn't deserve nearly the vitriol he got for poor phrasing (which opened him up to a slight debate) Any small "victory" is blown out to immense portions as if it gives validity to the overarching argument on the whole.

I will even agree to the notion that there are *some* narratives where 2 years difference can't be narratively weathered. True. Real. And those stories aren't suitable for here nor does their exclusion make them some sort of grand creative endeavor to be taken or fought for their inclusion here. It's just characters in a story.

And, the mind numbing-est question of them all, who here has had MORE narrative difficulty navigating the age rule? Oggs catalog is both long (over time) and dense (in number)

And the man works often in the historical fiction genre where age is an even stickier wicket than us modern day high schooler writers.

If I needed help altering a story to fit, he's absolutely the most knowledgeable source I can think of.

Hence, this reads as a bunch of egos looking for dumb self-validation off the most tired topic of this entire place.

 

[KeithD]

What's baffling to me is how I clearly stated multiple times that I would not try to get the story published here and yet I still got slammed for somehow trying to sneak kiddie porn into Literotica or told in so many words that I'm a bad author for not changing the story so it would fit site rules.

Well, no, I didn't do any of that. I tried to point out some realities on this site and even agreed that the realities weren't fully pleasant ones. And you got pissy. And, so, you can just wallow in it.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I'd suggest she can see and know everything you want as long as you don't share that with the reader. I know that sounds lame, but you can get across a point without being blatant. "My mom's such a slut," Kay told her friend. "She's a total sleaze bag." Kay and Rachel spoke in whispered voices, bursting out with laughter from time to time.

 

[Voboy]

If writers won't compromise whatever principle they value, that's cool. They're more than free to post elsewhere. But if they do, then coming back here to complain just seems mean-spirited... and, again, useless.

Focus on this while you read what you wrote below...

What's baffling to me is how I clearly stated multiple times that I would not try to get the story published here and yet I still got slammed for somehow trying to sneak kiddie porn into Literotica or told in so many words that I'm a bad author for not changing the story so it would fit site rules.

There's no need for you to continue with the dialogue, surely. You've gone elsewhere with your story, which is the right call if you absolutely feel you cannot edit.

Well and good.

But believe it or not, we're trying to be helpful. MANY of us have successfully navigated exactly these kinds of shoals you're having trouble with. We're suggesting fixes. You're rejecting them, as is your right... but then stop engaging. It's not hard to do. It's how these threads turn into shitfests that then rope in people with no dog in the fight; it is, as I said above, useless.

 

[PastMaster]

It's been stated for decades and never refuted by administration.

so what you are saying is that you DONT know for certain - just because something has been stated multiple times on the board and never refuted doesnt make it true - Since there seems to be little engagement by the admins in the forums in the first place.
Now if it had been confirmed - that would be different.

 

[Voboy]

Oh dear lord.

Save us from the wisdom of johnny-come-latelys who just want to hear themselves talk...

 

[djrip]

If there is one hypothesis with lots of support, and another with no support, sure, either could be correct. But one is much more likely to be correct.