The State of American Education.

[ll74]

Reason Foundation, June 15, 2020

On average, the United States currently spends over $15,000 per student each year, and inflation-adjusted K-12 education spending per student has increased by 280 percent since 1960.

https://reason.org/commentary/infla...dent-has-increased-by-280-percent-since-1960/

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Why do you think that even more spending would result in better academic performance and higher test scores?

That amount is not equally distributed, as was mentioned in my earlier comment.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You're the one making the claim with data that is not current. Until you do otherwise, it's just a hypothesis.

The data is the most recent I can find on the internet. That is because there are taboos and sanctions against gathering and publicizing that kind of data. Miracles have not happened since the data I posted. The race gap still yawns.

 

[ll74]

The data is the most recent I can find on the internet. That is because there are taboos and sanctions against gathering and publicizing that kind of data. Miracles have not happened since the data I posted. The race gap still yawns.

Yes, so claiming that IQ hasn't changed without data to back it up is a hypothesis.

Blaming it on other people is laughable.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That amount is not equally distributed, as was mentioned in my earlier comment.

The Washington, DC public school system spends more per student than all but one or two states. It gets the lowest test scores. It has the highest percentage of blacks.

 

[ll74]

The Washington, DC public school system spends more per student than all but one or two states. It gets the lowest test scores. It has the highest percentage of blacks.

Money is distributed based on test scores, with the most money going to better performing schools

It's backwards.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Reason Foundation, June 15, 2020

On average, the United States currently spends over $15,000 per student each year, and inflation-adjusted K-12 education spending per student has increased by 280 percent since 1960.

https://reason.org/commentary/infla...dent-has-increased-by-280-percent-since-1960/

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Why do you think that even more spending would result in better academic performance and higher test scores?

Because other countries that spend more than we do on education have better results.

 

[colddiesel]

Because that’s what democrats do. They don’t fix problems, they just throw money at it, raise taxes and walk away hoping it’ll fix itself.

So, how do you explain the fact that 8 out of the 10 states with the worst High School outcomes are all in the GOP heartland?

 

[YDB95]

So, how do you explain the fact that 8 out of the 10 states with the worst High School outcomes are all in the GOP heartland?

Wait, allow me: "It's because the Democrat Party's disdain for all things American has disillusioned real Americans to the point where they don't even want to try anymore." Or, if it's JohnEngelman, "It's because white kids refuse to give the 'right' answer on tests designed to make them feel guilty."

 

[colddiesel]

J. Engelman: 1. What is a black person? 99% of designated American blacks are genetically mixed (as are 100% of American whites).

2.Can you explain why the very black Dravidian people of Southern India have been much more successful economically and educationally than the great bulk of India's population, the Aryan pale skinned northerners, who, apart from a decent suntan are genetically Caucasian.

 

[EmptyTank]

Because other countries that spend more than we do on education have better results.

china spends a hell of a lot less and kicks our ass

stop cherry picking generalizing and pretending the exception proves the rule

very few nations spend more on anything than we do
take their cars for example
you yugo I bet

 

[Chobham]

So, how do you explain the fact that 8 out of the 10 states with the worst High School outcomes are all in the GOP heartland?

By what metric?

 

[dkovic77]

By what metric?

Wait you mean it’s supposed to backed up with facts? C’mon… that’s not a thing with MAGA. It’s enough to make the statement with no support based on anything in fact/reality.

As long as it’s able to be said over and over makes it true.

Right?

But looks like it’s NAEP scores based on a quick search.

 

[Chobham]

Consider this additional discussion then.

The plan should obviously include equitable distribution, at the very least. I'd also recommend more money to schools with lower test scores rather than giving more to higher test scores.

That too has been tried in some districts, with limited or no success.

The entire notion of throwing more money at a problem and getting better results seems to be a uniquely US psychopathy. Both Japan and S. Korea spend significantly less per student ($8,300 and 6,723 per student respectively) than the US with far greater results. And before you make some silly statement the cost of living neither nation are significantly cheaper than the US. There is also the issue of where the money is spent. If those monies are primarily funneled to teachers that are already failing the students then what's the point? Money is the simplistic answer but it's not THE answer, or even the correct answer.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

"And before you make some silly statement the cost of living neither nation are significantly cheaper than the US."

Japan is one expensive place to live.

Money is not the problem. The problem is the expertise/indoctrination imparted to government teaching drones via the Department of (un-)Education, dedicated teacher's colleges and a national political educational hierarchy inculcated in the failed paradigms of the 70s which hires, fires, rewards, punishes and promotes curriculum based upon ideology, not the humanities and sciences.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

IlDuce74 is actually saying that we should reward failure and punish success.

Throwing money at failure? Un-fucking-believable.

That's like paying Tuo Tagovailoa Patrick Mahomes money just to level the playing field...
Maybe we should send Miami to the Superbowl to represent the AFC, just to be "fair."

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[Chobham]

JE,Chubby, Ican't and "empty tank". How cute Lit's top racists.....racing to out Racist each other. It would be funny, if it wasn't so fucking sad.

As hominem, the final retreat of the terminally ignorant.

Facts:

Blacks and Latino's are doing horribly in the US school system. No one even tries to pretend otherwise.

Blacks and Latinos commit felonies, and not just drug possession/trafficking, far out of proportion to their population representation.

Blacks and Latinos have a much higher percentage of 'out of wedlock' children.

Discussion:

JE attributes those differences to genetics while I postulate that it is cultural. JE has linked research that tends to support his conclusions and I can do the same for my stance. Any discussion as to the primary causal reason for those differences is just that, a discussion. We have a set of inarguable facts in search of an explanation and then we have morons like you who assert that any discussion on the subject is 'racist.'

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Ad hominem tells me one of two things. The person who employs it is either someone who never developed "intellectually" from a junior high paradigm in mentality or are leaning leftwards and yearning for a Socialism to enforce an approved polity upon everyone else (always assuming that that polity will match their personal politics).

Or, similarly, and increasing in probability with each passing pissy post, that the former leads to the latter...

In other words, infantilism of thought leads to a yearning for a mommy dearest government. One that will reward their pure thoughts and punish the impure thoughts of others.

 

[Chobham]

Ad hominem tells me one of two things. The person who employs it is either someone who never developed "intellectually" from a junior high paradigm in mentality or are leaning leftwards and yearning for a Socialism to enforce an approved polity upon everyone else (always assuming that that polity will match their personal politics).

Or, similarly, and increasing in probability with each passing pissy post, that the former leads to the latter...

In other words, infantilism of thought leads to a yearning for a mommy dearest government. One that will reward their pure thoughts and punish the impure thoughts of others.

Which does nothing to answer the problem let alone search for a solution.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Socialist says: The only problem is opposition to fairness and equality of outcome. Everyone deserves a participation trophy and no one deserves achievement accolades.

All teachers are created equal and are endowed with acumen unattainable by a parent. Parent must be removed from the process, to the point of criminalization, in order to produce a better, more harmonious society. Similarly, educational excellence is highly overrated as it does not reward superior social skills. (I.e., it makes other people feel bad about themselves, diminished as it were instead of being just as special as anyone else.)

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That too has been tried in some districts, with limited or no success.

The entire notion of throwing more money at a problem and getting better results seems to be a uniquely US psychopathy. Both Japan and S. Korea spend significantly less per student ($8,300 and 6,723 per student respectively) than the US with far greater results. And before you make some silly statement the cost of living neither nation are significantly cheaper than the US. There is also the issue of where the money is spent. If those monies are primarily funneled to teachers that are already failing the students then what's the point? Money is the simplistic answer but it's not THE answer, or even the correct answer.

There's so much in that statement that's just factually wrong.
The reality is that Japan & South Korea spend more per student & get better results.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

There's so much in that statement that's just factually wrong.
The reality is that Japan & South Korea spend more per student & get better results.

Now assure us that Chinese educational superiority comes from outspending us (US).

Perhaps money is not the issue, but rather a culture corrupted by the failed ideas of the "enlightened" 70s.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Test scores are mis-leading. Most of the developed world throws their dumb kids out of school, while the US mainstreams theirs.

 

[Chobham]

There's so much in that statement that's just factually wrong.
The reality is that Japan & South Korea spend more per student & get better results.

Really? Provide a reputable link.

 

[icanhelp1]

So, how do you explain the fact that 8 out of the 10 states with the worst High School outcomes are all in the GOP heartland?

Boston spend $26,500 per student, should get something for that amount of money.

NY spends $30,000 per/student

 

[Chobham]

Test scores are mis-leading. Most of the developed world throws their dumb kids out of school, while the US mainstreams theirs.

That is partly true. The Chinese administer IQ tests and the low scoring kids are diverted to 'trade' schools.