"I didn't pull the trigger"

[ShyBiGuy954]

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DID YOU KNOW: The firearm that Alec Baldwin mishandled was a Pietta 45 Long Colt Revolver manufactured in 1966. Since 1915, all revolvers have been manufactured with either a transfer bar safety or a hammer block safety. Both types of safety are designed to prevent the firearm from discharging unless the trigger is pulled. Thus, you cannot lower the hammer and accidentally discharge the firearm, drop the firearm and accidentally discharge it, or any other airy-fairy Evil Spirit theory of firearm accidental discharge.

Alec Baldwin just got on national television and tearfully told you people a pack of lies.

And some of you are dumb enough to believe him.

 

[HisArpy]

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Harpy is going to be proven wrong AGAIN when Alec Baldwin is not criminally charged with anything.

The production company and Baldwin himself obviously have some civil liability exposure, but that would exist under any circumstances where an accidental death occured on set.

*nods*

Whether he will be or not isn't up to me. It's up to the DA in whatever podunk county in New Mexico this occurred in.


I still can't figure out how you think that having a title of "Actor" somehow exempts Baldwin from the consequences of his own actions. It's BALDWIN who's responsible, in any/all of his capacities including personal as well as professional.

 

[Rightguide]

A reminder:

Santa Fe DA: Nobody "clear" of charges in Baldwin shooting
JAZZ SHAW Dec 05, 2021 6:31 PM ET


"The Santa Fe District Attorney investigating the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of Alec Baldwin’s Western movie Rust said neither the actor nor anyone else who was on set is clear of potential criminal charges until the probe concludes.

DA Mary Carmack-Altwies appeared to be responding to Baldwin’s claim during his 90-minute interview with ABC this week that he was unlikely to face any charges and that he supposedly never pulled the trigger on the gun that went off in his hands, killing Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.

In a statement released on Friday, Carmack-Altwies maintained that ‘certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust."

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/1...-clear-of-charges-in-baldwin-shooting-n433293

 

[HisArpy]

A reminder:

Santa Fe DA: Nobody "clear" of charges in Baldwin shooting
JAZZ SHAW Dec 05, 2021 6:31 PM ET

I find it interesting that Baldwin got in front of a camera and stated that he has no remorse for shooting his camerawoman.

No remorse. None at all.


I wonder how that's going to play out when the judge has to consider aggravating/mitigating circumstances when selecting an appropriate sentence if he's convicted.

Maybe Baldwin will stand in front of the judge and cry like he did on camera and say he's sorry now. And of course, no one will ever wonder if him being an actor who can cry on command and project believable emotions means he's faking it if he does.

 

[jomar]

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1. He did not check the firearm himself. (The excuse that he's just a ignorant actor stretches credulity too far. He's stared in far too many movies the involved firearms to believe that he didn't have at a minimum the basic knowledge of how they function.)

Actually, from what I’m reading by the time the gun gets in an actors hand it’s reliably safe. In fact, the weapons expert ordinarily shows a cleared gun to all actors involved and director. The expert then loads the gun in front of the actor with the number of blanks for the scene. If loaded with dummies the expert aims down safely and clicks through the cylinder to prove safety.

That does suggest that in this case Baldwin was at best sloppy given his experience with weapons on set, and negligent at worst. I wonder why he didn’t cycle through.

2. He pointed the firearm directly at an individual. Even if specifically directed to do so he should have refused.

Yes, that was reckless. Even when shooting at someone they are instructed to aim to the side of them.

3. He pulled the trigger. There is NO doubt on this point. The firearm in question is a replica of the 1873 single action Colt. (Real single action armies are far to valuable to be used as props.) His story of pulling back the hammer and it 'slipped' does not bear up to scrutiny. The replica used is a "4 click" design and unless severely abused CANNOT fire merely because the hammer slipped.

Yeah, does appear he had the trigger pulled when he released the hammer. Again, incredibly careless given his on set history with guns even if he thought it was cold, I would think.

 

[Rightguide]

I find it interesting that Baldwin got in front of a camera and stated that he has no remorse for shooting his camerawoman.

No remorse. None at all.


I wonder how that's going to play out when the judge has to consider aggravating/mitigating circumstances when selecting an appropriate sentence if he's convicted.

Maybe Baldwin will stand in front of the judge and cry like he did on camera and say he's sorry now. And of course, no one will ever wonder if him being an actor who can cry on command and project believable emotions means he's faking it if he does.

I think the worse thing he did was to try and go public instead of shutting up and letting events unfold. Have you ever watched his guy? He a Canadian lawyer with a fairly big following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_fAmAyxfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKPyjoByi50

 

[comegently]

I think he was speaking figuratively and from wishful thinking. From what's been posted earlier in this thread from people who know these things, it looks impossible that he didn't pull the trigger.
Maybe he'll qualify it later, saying something like "Whoever put that live ammo in that gun 'pulled the trigger'".
Should he have checked himself to make sure?
Of course he should, and if he didn't know how he should have asked or googled it.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[Champakian]

I find it interesting that Baldwin got in front of a camera and stated that he has no remorse for shooting his camerawoman.

No remorse. None at all.


I wonder how that's going to play out when the judge has to consider aggravating/mitigating circumstances when selecting an appropriate sentence if he's convicted.

Maybe Baldwin will stand in front of the judge and cry like he did on camera and say he's sorry now. And of course, no one will ever wonder if him being an actor who can cry on command and project believable emotions means he's faking it if he does.

I'm with Belli on this one.

The smartest guy in every room he's in
was too fucking stupid to keep his mouth shut.

Hubris will be his nemesis...

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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DID YOU KNOW: The firearm that Alec Baldwin mishandled was a Pietta 45 Long Colt Revolver manufactured in 1966. Since 1915, all revolvers have been manufactured with either a transfer bar safety or a hammer block safety. Both types of safety are designed to prevent the firearm from discharging unless the trigger is pulled. Thus, you cannot lower the hammer and accidentally discharge the firearm, drop the firearm and accidentally discharge it, or any other airy-fairy Evil Spirit theory of firearm accidental discharge.

Alec Baldwin just got on national television and tearfully told you people a pack of lies.

And some of you are dumb enough to believe him.

Thanks for that. I knew revolvers at some point all had blocker bars in them, but I didn't realize it went all the way back to 1915. Yeah, he's bullshitting us.

 

[Rightguide]

Thanks for that. I knew revolvers at some point all had blocker bars in them, but I didn't realize it went all the way back to 1915. Yeah, he's bullshitting us.

To my knowledge, the transfer bar safety technology was introduced by Bill Ruger in 1973 for single-action pistols. He even said he'd install it in any older Ruger single six for free.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[jaF0]

Lock him up!!!





U.S. News // 58 minutes ago
Alec Baldwin, armorer to face criminal charges in 'Rust' shooting
Jan. 19 (UPI) -- A New Mexico prosecutor Thursday announced criminal charges against Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed in the shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film "Rust."

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[Cubik]

I still can't figure out how you think that having a title of "Actor" somehow exempts Baldwin from the consequences of his own actions. It's BALDWIN who's responsible, in any/all of his capacities including personal as well as professional.

There are people on set who's job it is to ensure safety. As an actor on the set Alec Baldwin was entitled to assume he was handed a non lethal prop.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Cubik's Rube.

 

[HisArpy]

There are people on set who's job it is to ensure safety. As an actor on the set Alec Baldwin was entitled to assume he was handed a non lethal prop.

The 4 rules of gun safety say otherwise. The law says otherwise.

Yet here you are thinking you know something...

 

[HisArpy]

^^^ Cubik's Rube.

The damnable part is that Baldwin probably will serve only minimal, if any, time at all because of his notoriety. OTOH, the armorer will likely spend more than a year in prison.

 

[ll74]

The damnable part is that Baldwin probably will serve only minimal, if any, time at all because of his notoriety. OTOH, the armorer will likely spend more than a year in prison.

Once the verdict and sentencing come down, I dare you to prove that it is any different than any other verdict/sentencing in the same state.

 

[jaF0]

You must NEVER point a weapon at anyone you don't intend to harm. Even a revolver with the barrel open.

 

[HisArpy]

You must NEVER point a weapon at anyone you don't intend to harm. Even a revolver with the barrel open.

Lol - "barrel" open.

Tell us again that you know stuff about guns while proving that you're totally and completely clueless about guns.



The 4 rules of gun safety:

1. A gun is ALWAYS considered to be loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot at your intended target.
3. Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot.
4. Always be sure of what's beyond your target and that it's safe to shoot in that direction.

 

[jaF0]

If the cylinder is kicked out to the side the barrel is open from end to end and you can easily see if a round is there.

 

[HisArpy]

If the cylinder is kicked out to the side the barrel is open from end to end and you can easily see if a round is there.

First of all, BARRELS don't "open." "Cylinders" can be swung out on SOME modern revolvers, but not all revolvers. So you've made 2 mistakes here in saying that the barrel can be opened, when it can't, and assuming that the gun used is of a type where the cylinder can be swung out of the frame for loading/unloading/cleaning/etc when it cannot because it's a replica of an earlier revolver which doesn't have that feature.

From there; sticking your eyeball on the end of the barrel to check that it's unloaded is about as DUMB as it gets.

There are 4 rules of gun safety. Baldwin broke all 4 of them. That's not the fault of the gun, the armorer, the other people on the set, or anything/anyone else. Had he even followed JUST ONE, any one, of the rules, Hutchins might still be alive today.

 

[phrodeau]

The 4 rules of gun safety:

1. A gun is ALWAYS considered to be loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot at your intended target.
3. Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot.
4. Always be sure of what's beyond your target and that it's safe to shoot in that direction.

5. Make sure the area behind you is clear, in case the force of the discharge knocks you on your ass.

With all these rules, it’s hard to believe that anyone can claim guns are safe.

 

[HisArpy]

5. Make sure the area behind you is clear, in case the force of the discharge knocks you on your ass.

With all these rules, it’s hard to believe that anyone can claim guns are safe.

GO FUCK YOURSELF you obnoxious little toad.

 

[Comshaw]

5. Make sure the area behind you is clear, in case the force of the discharge knocks you on your ass.

With all these rules, it’s hard to believe that anyone can claim guns are safe.

Guns are safe IF you know how to handle them. Just like table saws, or chain saws, or cars, or motorcycles or, or, or... To be safe is a simple thing: Know the rules, follow the rules. The problem with guns is the same fucking problem with cars or saws or anything that is dangerous, too many fucking idiots handling them that THINK they know how. No one should be allowed to touch a gun until they go through a training course. Hell we don't let people drive a car unless they have a license which means they know the rules and how to drive. And no, requiring training to own and handle a gun isn't infringing on the 2nd amendment rights. Why? Because it's not saying you can't own a gun, it is because you need to be trained before you own one. Major fucking difference.

Anyway it looks like Alec has been charged with manslaughter. That's just the start. The civil actions will soon follow. Maybe, just maybe people in the industry wil take note.

Comshaw