It's "Twitter Freedom Friday!"

[iso36]

The easier way to sort this out is to think about Carriers versus Publishers.

I’ll let you read up on section 230 and the various legal distinctions between publishers, distributors, and platforms. The more obvious distinction to the layman is that news outlets try to sell news. They try to build their brands on the accuracy, relevance, and quality of the content they publish. Social media platforms are in the business of monetizing their users. They have have terms of use templates that are subjectively applied, but they have no journalistic standards. If you post a picture of your beagle on Facebook, no one will fact check that it’s your dog or verify it’s breed. And no one will edit your grammar. If you post that your ex gf is a whore, the platform won’t worry about getting sued for libel.

 

[Chobham]

I'm going with editors vs publishers. Publishers are not necessarily responsible for content, editors are. Once an entity becomes responsible for content are they not now an editor?

Truth: What constitutes "the truth?" Time and time again we have witnessed today's lie become tomorrow's truth and vice versa. ANY entity that sets itself up as the sole arbiter of what is "truth" is to be treated with extreme skepticism.

Hate Speech: Very much like "truth", this is in the eyes of the beholder. Any discussion in which there are two or more points of view is going to be uncomfortable to those whose views are being challenged. For example, if ad hominem attacks were to be classified as "Hate Speech" how many posters would disappear from this board overnight? And quite frankly if this board were to be run under the EU rules that could quite possibly happen.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No, Twitter didn’t keep me from reading the story. But they did ban it on their platform and suspended users who tried to share it.

Just like they would have done if someone obtained Trump’s taxes and tried to share them.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Just like they would have done if someone obtained Trump’s taxes and tried to share them.

Good one!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I see we've entered the "but but Section 230!" portion of teh discussion.

 

[iso36]

I see we've entered the "but but Section 230!" portion of teh discussion.

Pretty simple stuff.

If Rob and Luk conspire via Verizon to defame Ish with malice aforethought and Ish is harmed, Ish can win by suing Rob and Luk, but Verizon isn’t on the hook.

Verizon is just the piano player.

Rob and Luk are straw men, but that goes to collecting.

 

[Chobham]

Pretty simple stuff.

If Rob and Luk conspire via Verizon to defame Ish with malice aforethought and Ish is harmed, Ish can win by suing Rob and Luk, but Verizon isn’t on the hook.

Verizon is just the piano player.

Rob and Luk are straw men, but that goes to collecting.

Keep your eye on the Nunes v. Maddow suit.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Keep your eye on the Nunes v. Maddow suit.

Why? Of the charges of slander etc, only one is moving forward: "“He has refused to hand it [e.g., the Derkach package] over to the FBI which is what you should do if you get something from somebody who is sanctioned by the U.S. as a Russian agent".

All the other's were dismissed. I suspect he (Nunes) might prevail on this one, but for damages, at best an on air apology. I am sure Maddow can apologises for this on air, and still make Nunes look like a cow.....*chuckles*

 

[HisArpy]

I’ll let you read up on section 230 and the various legal distinctions between publishers, distributors, and platforms. The more obvious distinction to the layman is that news outlets try to sell news. They try to build their brands on the accuracy, relevance, and quality of the content they publish. Social media platforms are in the business of monetizing their users. They have have terms of use templates that are subjectively applied, but they have no journalistic standards. If you post a picture of your beagle on Facebook, no one will fact check that it’s your dog or verify it’s breed. And no one will edit your grammar. If you post that your ex gf is a whore, the platform won’t worry about getting sued for libel.

Someone should also let him know about that little known Fed Statute called Section 1983 which makes it illegal for "anyone" to infringe upon someone else's civil rights.

At the DNC's behest (acting on behalf of Joe Biden) Twitter infringed upon the rights of several people by suspending their accounts over the Hunter Biden Laptop story, beginning with the NY Post and ending with conservatives who objected to the illegal acts.

Interesting take; (1) Because it's a civil rights issue the claim that the 1st Amendment only applies to government, doesn't apply. (2) Because it's a civil rights issue, it's actionable in civil court. Which means it bypasses the corrupt DOJ. (3) Because it's a civil rights issue it can pierce the governmental immunity most of those involved have and make them personally liable even if the claim also includes government entities.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Someone should also let him know about that little known Fed Statute called Section 1983 which makes it illegal for "anyone" to infringe upon someone else's civil rights.

At the DNC's behest (acting on behalf of Joe Biden) Twitter infringed upon the rights of several people by suspending their accounts over the Hunter Biden Laptop story, beginning with the NY Post and ending with conservatives who objected to the illegal acts.

Interesting take; (1) Because it's a civil rights issue the claim that the 1st Amendment only applies to government, doesn't apply. (2) Because it's a civil rights issue, it's actionable in civil court. Which means it bypasses the corrupt DOJ. (3) Because it's a civil rights issue it can pierce the governmental immunity most of those involved have and make them personally liable even if the claim also includes government entities.

Interesting conjecture, counselor.

First you imply that the DNC is a government entity ("acting on behalf of Joe Biden') and then you contradict yourself in the very next paragraph by saying that governmental immunity does NOT apply becoz the DNC is not a government agency.

Rather breathtaking leap of logic there.

Personally I think you're trying to have your cake and eat it too,

 

[iso36]

Why does any Republican care about Hunter Biden anyway?


https://apps.bostonglobe.com/opinio...the-presidency/part-3-a-sordid-family-affair/

https://www.ranker.com/list/us-presidents-who-gave-jobs-to-family-members/sarah-blumert

 

[HisArpy]

Interesting conjecture, counselor.

First you imply that the DNC is a government entity ("acting on behalf of Joe Biden') and then you contradict yourself in the very next paragraph by saying that governmental immunity does NOT apply becoz the DNC is not a government agency.

Rather breathtaking leap of logic there.

Personally I think you're trying to have your cake and eat it too,

It's REALLY AMAZING that someone who has ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING CLUE about what the document release actually contained seems to believe they know what they're talking about.

The DNC may not be "a government agency" but the DOJ and DHS certainly are and THOSE AGENCIES asked Twitter (in writing no less) to violate the civil rights of Twitter users. So, the DNC gets the 1985 treatment, the DOJ/DHS get 1985 AND 1A claims levied against them. The people whose names are known get sued both in their professional capacity as well as jointly and severally because government immunity does not apply to "criminal acts." And violating someone's civil rights can be prosecuted as a criminal act if alleged "under color of authority." Which the DOJ/DHS were certainly attempting to invoke at the time. I'm also wondering what those 500 former intel people who signed that letter are doing right now.

The document dump really is very very bad for those involved. Whether it goes anywhere is a different issue, but at this point there are probably lots and lots of people who are lawyering up.

Did anyone mention that DC lawyers often charge over $1000/hour? And that the minimum billing time is 1/10th of an hour or 6 minutes? That's a minimum of $100 for calling in and listening to prerecorded music while the receptionist checks to see if your lawyer is available to talk with you on the phone.

Musk's data dump was a glorious thing. And none of you dipshits who are trying to downplay it will admit how fucking bad it makes you look. I'm looking forward to traunch #2.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Why does any Republican care about Hunter Biden anyway?


https://apps.bostonglobe.com/opinio...the-presidency/part-3-a-sordid-family-affair/

https://www.ranker.com/list/us-presidents-who-gave-jobs-to-family-members/sarah-blumert

Selling access to the Vice President of the United States is frowned upon, especially when clients are connected to adversarial foreign governments. It would be even worse if the vice president was aware of his brother and son’s business activities and relationships.

 

[HisArpy]

Selling access to the Vice President of the United States is frowned upon, especially when clients are connected to adversarial foreign governments. It would be even worse if the vice president was aware of his brother and son’s business activities and relationships.

The House is all about the talk in investigating The Big Guy and the Twitter data will go a long way in that regard when coupled with the laptop from Hell.

 

[iso36]

Selling access to the Vice President of the United States is frowned upon, especially when clients are connected to adversarial foreign governments. It would be even worse if the vice president was aware of his brother and son’s business activities and relationships.

You mean like Fergie selling access to Andrew?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The House is all about the talk in investigating The Big Guy and the Twitter data will go a long way in that regard when coupled with the laptop from Hell.

*chuckles* Well just keep edging yourself......maybe Hunter will get elected or appointed to a post and it will matter.

 

[HisArpy]

*chuckles* Well just keep edging yourself......maybe Hunter will get elected or appointed to a post and it will matter.

It doesn't matter how clever you think you are. It doesn't even matter how ridiculous you'll look with all that egg on your face, IF it happens.

You know what does matter?

How fucking stupid you look trying to deflect with nonsense over something this important. But stupid people do stupid things in the name of getting 15 microseconds of attention.


Now all we have to do is wait on the inbound deflection of "carbon water" because you still don't seem to understand how punked you got in that thread. Either that or you keep wanting to relive your downfall because it gets you another 15 microseconds.

Must be rough being you.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It doesn't matter how clever you think you are. It doesn't even matter how ridiculous you'll look with all that egg on your face, IF it happens.

You know what does matter?

How fucking stupid you look trying to deflect with nonsense over something this important. But stupid people do stupid things in the name of getting 15 microseconds of attention.


Now all we have to do is wait on the inbound deflection of "carbon water" because you still don't seem to understand how punked you got in that thread. Either that or you keep wanting to relive your downfall because it gets you another 15 microseconds.

Must be rough being you.

*chuckles*

I am not the one "edging myself" over Hunter Biden.....you are......how long before you fuck off from this thread, after getting your ass continually handed to you?

 

[schism666]

It doesn't matter how clever you think you are. It doesn't even matter how ridiculous you'll look with all that egg on your face, IF it happens.

You know what does matter?

How fucking stupid you look trying to deflect with nonsense over something this important. But stupid people do stupid things in the name of getting 15 microseconds of attention.


Now all we have to do is wait on the inbound deflection of "carbon water" because you still don't seem to understand how punked you got in that thread. Either that or you keep wanting to relive your downfall because it gets you another 15 microseconds.

Must be rough being you.

your anger issues are angry today.

derp.

 

[HisArpy]

your anger issues are angry today.

derp.

*snort*

That all you got? The old 3rd grade "I'm rubber, you're glue" thing?

*snort*

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Pretty simple stuff.

If Rob and Luk conspire via Verizon to defame Ish with malice aforethought and Ish is harmed, Ish can win by suing Rob and Luk, but Verizon isn’t on the hook.

Verizon is just the piano player.

Rob and Luk are straw men, but that goes to collecting.

Help us out, who is Ish?

 

[iso36]

Help us out, who is Ish?

Someone Rob talks about a lot.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Someone Rob talks about a lot.

But now you’re talking about him. So which is it, do you know who it is or do you just follow whatever Rob does?

 

[iso36]

But now you’re talking about him. So which is it, do you know who it is or do you just follow whatever Rob does?

Mostly it’s whatever gets you in a lather, ratboi.

 

[Lazaran]

So, another Harpy meltdown is in progres.

Somebody throw some Carbon water on the spaz to cool hir off.