Pmann wants to talk mental health

[tnman03]

It's coming. Getting closer.

I don't know what it is, but it's coming.

I've already given up on most things. Clearing stuff out. Making the place easier to manage.

Weak. No energy. No drive. No cares. Clear, coherent thought is a thing of the past. Just one day after another. Sun. Moon. Sun. Moon. Repeat.

Soon?

I absolutely promise you that this is meant to be kind. You continually post here in the PG about wanting to die. It's not a good thing to be posting because it can either be interpreted as attention-seeking or genuine mental health issues. See a doctor, and get treatment. Treatment and medications are available. Spending too much time here on Lit isn't going to make your existence any better, you need to find a balance.

Are you talking about suicide? That’s not a good idea… that’s a very permanent “solution”.

See the above P. It's an ongoing issue.

 

[Dribble]

Dial 988

Just like 911...people are there 24/7.

 

[jaF0]

I look at the keyboard and sometimes I can't figure out where to put fingers to type which letters. It's not that I can't spell and I've always hunted and pecked, never really typed, but this is different. There is a disconnect between eyes, mind and fingers. I see the keys, but they don't make sense.

 

[default24]

I don't understand why people get so upset over someone who commits suicide. The only rationale I can agree with is if you think they made a rash decision.
You don't know what they've been through. Maybe this allows them to be at peace after something truly atrocious has happened?
I remember being like 8 or 9 when the Aladdin sequel The Return of Jafar came out. There's a line in there "there are things so much worse than death"
I asked the older kids who were watching it with me 'what could be worse than death?' And I was greeted with 'torture' as the answer. I remember it was a lot to think about but that they were right. There is something worse than being alive.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

I've been suicidal.

Sometimes it helps to just type it out and release it.
Other times it's a plea for help.

I will say, I'm glad I am still here. I've come a long fucking way from the bottom, but having been at those depths, I also know how heavy it is to just exist somewhere. Anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 1306910]

I remember once I was in this psych ward. Been in a couple, both as staff and patient. This time I was a patient. I had tried to commit suicide by cop. I was lucky they just tased me and pepper sprayed me. But I was in my bed around 1am, staring at the ceiling. My room mate was dosing at the desk in the chair, Styrofoam cups of water arrayed around him, still none transmogrified into water. Though I give him proper respect for continuing to try. I hadn't slept in a couple of days and this thought popped into my head.

I don't need to be happy about living. Every time I tried to die, it just left more scars, more debt, more trauma. I finally gave up that night, on killing myself. I accepted that I do not have to be grateful. I do not need to be happy. I just have to accept that I'm supposed to be here.

 

[jaF0]

There's a line in there "there are things so much worse than death"
I asked the older kids who were watching it with me 'what could be worse than death?'

Disabled. Incapacitated. Unable to care for yourself or have the ability to move freely.

THAT would be the worst for me.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I don't understand why people get so upset over someone who commits suicide. The only rationale I can agree with is if you think they made a rash decision.
You don't know what they've been through. Maybe this allows them to be at peace after something truly atrocious has happened?
I remember being like 8 or 9 when the Aladdin sequel The Return of Jafar came out. There's a line in there "there are things so much worse than death"
I asked the older kids who were watching it with me 'what could be worse than death?' And I was greeted with 'torture' as the answer. I remember it was a lot to think about but that they were right. There is something worse than being alive.

I think the issue with it is that suicide is an incredibly permanent solution to what are usually temporary problems. I realize things like terminal illness and disease are not temporary problems. But that's a different discussion.

Most people who commit suicide are not exactly in their right mind. They feel isolated, worthless and as if people would be better off if they are gone. The trail of tears that the decision usually leaves makes me think that's not true in the vast majority of cases.

I think doing something so permanent is generally a mistake. There is often help for those who really want it. But the issue is that mental illness typically leaves its victims without the ability to think logically or grasp the severity of their decisions. Suicide notes are filled with self loathing and misconceptions about how the person is perceived by their loved ones. I don't think most suicide notes are very logical reads.

As someone who has had experienced this more than once in my family, it's devastating. It crushes the family who are left with thoughts of doubt and wondering what they did wrong. And sometimes, they didn't even know anything was wrong.

 

[Dribble]

I don't understand why people get so upset over someone who commits suicide. The only rationale I can agree with is if you think they made a rash decision.
You don't know what they've been through. Maybe this allows them to be at peace after something truly atrocious has happened?
I remember being like 8 or 9 when the Aladdin sequel The Return of Jafar came out. There's a line in there "there are things so much worse than death"
I asked the older kids who were watching it with me 'what could be worse than death?' And I was greeted with 'torture' as the answer. I remember it was a lot to think about but that they were right. There is something worse than being alive.

Although difficult to compile accurately, peer reviewed research out of Harvard has shown 9 out of 10 people that attempted suicide but failed, do not die from a future suicide attempt. Do you even understand what these numbers mean?

 

[Cotswolds]

I've never experienced someone commiting suicide on a personal level. I see it a lot at work and sometimes feel like a fraud when I try to help someone, as I don't know what it feels like to think that suicide is the only way out of pain at the time. I can testify that people are almost always grateful for the efforts of those who helped them prevent or reverse suicide attempts - in the overwhelming majority of cases, there is help out there to overcome your troubles.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Although difficult to compile accurately, peer reviewed research out of Harvard has shown 9 out of 10 people that attempted suicide but failed, do not die from a future suicide attempt. Do you even understand what these numbers mean?

There is a joke about failure in there somewhere…

(I know I shouldn’t make a joke)

But you’re right, Dribble. Most people attempting suicide do not want to actually die.

 

[Deleted member 1306910]

There is often help for those who really want it.

- in the overwhelming majority of cases, there is help out there to overcome your troubles.

There is a misunderstanding in the two statements above. Because there often is NOT help for those who want it. That has a lot to do with the way our healthcare system works in this country, but the truth is, often the only recourse is some kind of hotline. I've called that hotline and was told that I should go to church, or call a friend. I was put on hold so a supervisor could talk to me. I suppose if the intention was to bore me and piss me off with ridiculous bureaucracy, it worked as a tactic.

I have also sat in the ER for 12 hours, trying to get a bed in a hospital with no insurance, only to be sent home, more than once. There is NOT help out there for everyone who might want or seek it. That is part of why people end up just trying to die.

There is a joke about failure in there somewhere…

(I know I shouldn’t make a joke)

But you’re right, Dribble. Most people attempting suicide do not want to actually die.

This is mostly true. The ones who really decide to do it don't leave notes, or bother to tell anyone, or hesitate. There is no chance to stop them. They just do it and people wonder what happened.

 

[jaF0]

Almost is not always.

Majority is not all.

 

[Deleted member 1306910]

Almost is not always.

Majority is not all.

I wont try to talk you out of it man. I know what it is like to be in a place so dark that all you have left is selfishness. But if anyone loves you. ANYONE. You know that you'll be taking something from them. It's up to you.

 

[alwaysaway]

There IS help out there for people suffering with mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s just not a black and white illness that can be cured with a pill and a pat on the back. It’s a long, long road and the journey needs constant reassessment. Assisting those with a mental illness needs a huge amount of team work and effort… including the individual suffering. In my experience, many people suffering from mental illness who seek help, have a sense of “well I’m here for help, cure me now”. Many of those people also don’t want, or can’t, put the effort in to help themselves either. The expectation seems to be put on healthcare professionals to fix them, and if the effects aren’t felt immediately, we are seen as “not caring”, or “being useless”.

Mental illness is not my specialty. But I do feel frustrated when I hear that there is no help for those who struggle with mental illness. There IS help… it just might not be presented to you in the way in which you wish for it to be.

 

[jaF0]

One is not the loneliest number.

Two can be a helluva a lot worse.





Trust does not exist.

 

[Dribble]

There is a joke about failure in there somewhere…

(I know I shouldn’t make a joke)

But you’re right, Dribble. Most people attempting suicide do not want to actually die.

Exactly...how do we help those in the darkness...when they feel there is no hope? How do we convince them the numbers say where they are...can change? This is the guilt we as survivors have when our loved ones die. What the fuck did I miss? What could I have said? What could I have done differently? Did I push too hard? Not hard enough? Did I enable?

And Nevyn is right as well...we as a society (US) fail miserably getting help to the ones that need it. I can only speak from my experiences...when I am in a dark space...I do not see life as it is...but as a figment of an alternate reality that probably isn't real. I have been lucky...I have had enough time given to me not a result of anything I have done...but through a series of events...to allow me to see life in a more real perspective and not through the darkness.

 

[Deleted member 1306910]

There IS help out there for people suffering with mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s just not a black and white illness that can be cured with a pill and a pat on the back. It’s a long, long road and the journey needs constant reassessment. Assisting those with a mental illness needs a huge amount of team work and effort… including the individual suffering. In my experience, many people suffering from mental illness who seek help, have a sense of “well I’m here for help, cure me now”. Many of those people also don’t want, or can’t, put the effort in to help themselves either. The expectation seems to be put on healthcare professionals to fix them, and if the effects aren’t felt immediately, we are seen as “not caring”, or “being useless”.

Mental illness is not my specialty. But I do feel frustrated when I hear that there is no help for those who struggle with mental illness. There IS help… it just might not be presented to you in the way in which you wish for it to be.

I'm not insulting anyone who is in the medical profession. Nor trying to start a fight. But you are...wrong. I will not yield or negotiate, or debate this. It is my experience and the experiences of SO MANY other people I have personally known. You are wrong. There is help for those who can afford it. But many, many cannot. That is all I will say about this. Done.

 

[jaF0]

I'm not sure why so many people don't get the one major fact facing us all.

Life is terminal.


Every living thing dies.


Why can't we choose our time and place?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Yeah, it's people from countries with social services commenting, nev.

Until I lived here, I had no idea.

They can't even imagine it because social safety is woven into the fabric of almost every other country. America fails so hard.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

There IS help… it just might not be presented to you in the way in which you wish for it to be.

Not here.

America is a cruel fucking place. We toss people aside like they're nothing. I cannot even begin to lay it out, but unless you have money, you're fucked.

 

[Dribble]

There IS help out there for people suffering with mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s just not a black and white illness that can be cured with a pill and a pat on the back. It’s a long, long road and the journey needs constant reassessment. Assisting those with a mental illness needs a huge amount of team work and effort… including the individual suffering. In my experience, many people suffering from mental illness who seek help, have a sense of “well I’m here for help, cure me now”. Many of those people also don’t want, or can’t, put the effort in to help themselves either. The expectation seems to be put on healthcare professionals to fix them, and if the effects aren’t felt immediately, we are seen as “not caring”, or “being useless”.

Mental illness is not my specialty. But I do feel frustrated when I hear that there is no help for those who struggle with mental illness. There IS help… it just might not be presented to you in the way in which you wish for it to be.

I can tell you...when I sought help 35 years ago...I was turned down by every group I contacted. Now...there were a couple groups willing to help 6 weeks....8 weeks in the future. But when I needed it? It wasn't there. It is by luck...a man I had never met...reached out and helped me when no one else...including my family...would help. Sorry...that is my experience

 

[alwaysaway]

I'm not insulting anyone who is in the medical profession. Nor trying to start a fight. But you are...wrong. I will not yield or negotiate, or debate this. It is my experience and the experiences of SO MANY other people I have personally known. You are wrong. There is help for those who can afford it. But many, many cannot. That is all I will say about this. Done.

I’m not wrong, I am stating how things are in my country. I am sorry you do not seem to have the same level of healthcare where you are.

 

[jaF0]

Help for six weeks.

Odd that insurance plans that cover that kind of 'help' do so for .... wait for it ...... six weeks.

Then, magically, it's all better now, seeyalaterbye.

 

[alwaysaway]

I can tell you...when I sought help 35 years ago...I was turned down by every group I contacted. Now...there were a couple groups willing to help 6 weeks....8 weeks in the future. But when I needed it? It wasn't there. It is by luck...a man I had never met...reached out and helped me when no one else...including my family...would help. Sorry...that is my experience

I’m sorry you experienced that, truly. Again, I’m commenting from Australia. We have a (mostly) great healthcare system. At least compared with others.