Transphobia blows

[YourPalAster]

Trans people do get fetishised, mainly by guys who have a thing about dating them.
But to accuse a trans character as being too 'masculine' or 'feminine' or anything else just shows ignorance

Like that’s what annoyed me. Like what does it mean that he’s “not acting like a man?” What does it mean that “he’s a trans man in name only?” Ya know? I appreciate the comment, I’m really glad I’m not the only one who finds this irritating.

 

[YourPalAster]

Back to the OP's question...
I think I had someone bleating that one of my MtF stories 'should be in Trans/CD' not lesbian... for a story with post-op trans woman. I've also had a comment that another might have done better in Romance *shrugs*. The difference here is the hissy fit and foot-stamping. You can always delete comments OP but please - leave this one. I love seeing trolls kick their own ass that hard.

Oh don’t worry, that’s goin on the wall of shame, I’m keeping it there. I had alot to think about, and I’m going to keep it on gay male, so they can just have a temper tantrum somewhere else lmao. Simply put the story isn’t about him being trans, it’s about the the two men being together after a 3 year hiatus, and not wanting to be heartbroken again. One of the lovers just trans. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Blind_Justice]

Well, I got accused of being a racist and closet homosexual because of my space dark elf futanari character in "Express Delivery".

Shit like that isn't helping me finding the joy in writing again.

 

[YourPalAster]

I know the pain, man. Just because you have something in that story that means you have a raging hard on for it. Don’t be discouraged! Continue writing! Don’t worry about them, ya know?

 

[Lucy_Lastic]

Like that’s what annoyed me. Like what does it mean that he’s “not acting like a man?” What does it mean that “he’s a trans man in name only?” Ya know? I appreciate the comment, I’m really glad I’m not the only one who finds this irritating.

Some people have very narrow views of trans people, probably cos they get off on shemale porn and think that's real life. At trans pride I saw a beautiful trans person, gorgeous feminine face, wearing a cocktail dress with a plunging neckline... and a hairy chest. I have no idea how they identify, but it's their life and choice, not mine.

 

[ChuckWolf]

I made a story recently, called Bunny and the Dog. A romance about a man and a trans man.

Since they both identify as male, I considered it gay. I added the appropriate tags to make sure that they know it was a trans man.

A dude came in my comments and accused me of ‘fetishizing’ trans people(?) because he ‘didn’t act like a man’ or something like that. It’s incredibly gatekeeping, and weird to just rant like that lmao.

But thoughts? Maybe I am wrong, who knows?

Not really into or interested in trans-erotica, but I have to imagine that there's a lot of different directions you could take the situations and characters, so I think the dude was wrong and pretty short-sighted in his critique.

In many ways, trans-erotica is a new frontier with many possibilities.

Also, I don't know about the "fetishizing" comment; I mean, this is an erotic story site, so, assuming that comment is even accurate, if there's one place where that'd be OK, I'd think it'd be here or on sites like this.

 

[rvagirl]

If I did, you would know exactly who I am. If everyone here is willing to divulge their personal info, I'll consider it.

James Patterson!?!?

 

[rvagirl]

I'd have put "reasonable concerns" in scare quotes there, or perhaps between clownface emojis, but otherwise yeah.

And don’t forget “just asking questions*”

*to which there have been readily available answers for years

 

[Bramblethorn]

Took a quick look. Knowing plenty of transmasculine people and being trans myself, there are plenty of transmasculine people and trans men who have a breeding fetish, who even have "refeminization" fetish, etc. People who want to be bred by big-cocked dudes or whatever. Even become pregnant.

Noting that there are cis gay men who get off on the fantasy of being "bred" too. People are complicated and gloriously weird.

 

[SimonDoom]

People are complicated and gloriously weird.

Well said. Sometimes--not often, because I'm generally against mandatory oaths or affirmations of any kind, but sometimes--I think it might be good for the site to post something like this as a creed and require those logging in to click an "I agree" button.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Noting that there are cis gay men who get off on the fantasy of being "bred" too. People are complicated and gloriously weird.

Ain't that the fucking truth! Thank God for that, or us writers would have nothing to write about.

Meanwhile, following a comment in Feedback just received, I've just gone and looked up fujoshi, after being advised some of my stories cater to it. As usual with a Japanese word, there's nuance. Literotica continues to be educational .

 

[Comshaw]

I made a story recently, called Bunny and the Dog. A romance about a man and a trans man.

Since they both identify as male, I considered it gay. I added the appropriate tags to make sure that they know it was a trans man.

A dude came in my comments and accused me of ‘fetishizing’ trans people(?) because he ‘didn’t act like a man’ or something like that. It’s incredibly gatekeeping, and weird to just rant like that lmao.

But thoughts? Maybe I am wrong, who knows?

Dude, you ain't wrong. Anybody that says they know exactly how a certain section of the human population should act, how they will respond or what they want to be perceived as, is looking at the inside of their colon. You can take any particular sect of that population do a survey and you'll find hundreds of differing opinions of how they see themselves. Bramblethorn has the right take on it, humans are infinitely diverse, utterly weird and absolutely perfect as they are.

Somebody got butt hurt at your take on a trans person. To bad for them. Ignore it. There will always be a few who want to take issue with such things. Write it the way you want to and screw the critics.

I've been guilty of wading into the Politics board a few times, and I almost always regret it. I feel soiled afterward.

If you think about it: why would you come to an erotic story site, and talk politics? If you want to have a meaningful conversation about the politics of sex and eroticism, that's one thing (but good luck with that here). But most of the Politics Board discussion here features garden variety partisan name-calling of the "You suck" "No, you suck" variety.

So the cure here is much like the old joke: A guy went to the doctor with a wound. He said to the doc, "Doc it really hurts if I do this" and pushed his finger into the wound.
The doc's response, "Well don't do that!"

If it makes you feel soiled, don't go there. Simple.

I will say I have seen some good discussions there. They aren't the norm and are rare but they do happen. As far as coming to a porn board to discuss politics, it ain't no different from coming to a porn board to have a discussion about writing. There are a hundred different places on the net to do that, and probably have as good or better a discussion on writing, so why come here? Because it's a community, because you like it here, because you are comfortable here. All that goes for the denizens of the PB too. Many of those over there get a kick out of pissing in each other's boots. That's why they are there. I say let 'em have their fun as long as they don't piss in mine.

I try to be nonjudgmental. If it does me no harm, if it does those not involved with it no harm, then who am I to try to destroy some else's pleasure, someone else's self-esteem just because I may not like it, or think I know more about it than others? If I don't like it, I don't have to be around it, don't have to interact with those who do. It's as simple as that.

Comshaw

 

[rvagirl]

I try to be nonjudgmental. If it does me no harm, if it does those not involved with it no harm, then who am I to try to destroy some else's pleasure, someone else's self-esteem just because I may not like it, or think I know more about it than others? If I don't like it, I don't have to be around it, don't have to interact with those who do. It's as simple as that.

Comshaw

I’m replying not to scold because I agree with basically all of your points. But I will ask you to consider that some of the things we see in this community *do harm* the trans users.

LGBTQ folks are a sizeable portion of this community. Times have moved on enough that it would be beyond the pale to suggest gay people are delusional predators, but people say similar things about trans people on the boards a lot. I’d reckon all my fellow trans users have noticed it. On top of that, we get comments like OPs anytime we have the audacity to step out of our little box.

Pissing in boots sound hot and I’d like to read a fetish story about it. That would be a novel reading experience. Naked hatred born of ignorance is tired. I’ve read that story a million times and it sucks.

<3

 

[KeithD]

LGBTQ folks are a sizeable portion of this community. Times have moved on enough that it would be beyond the pale to suggest gay people are delusional predators, but people say similar things about trans people on the boards a lot. I’d reckon all my fellow trans users have noticed it. On top of that, we get comments like OPs anytime we have the audacity to step out of our little box.

But are they really a sizable portion of this community? That isn't my impression. My impression is that this segment of the community is tolerated by the Web site (not particularly encouraged) and is given a pretty small presence (there is one lesbian, one GM, one trans and no bi category given in total on a category breakdown that gives hetero works double-digit categories breaking down by fetish, each of which can earn award money). I don't think the Web site considers LBGTQ folks to be a sizable portion of the community. On the board itself, it tosses all categories of LBGTQ into a single chat board. And I think that the issues this thread point to in response to transgender stories reflect that the mainstream(s) of users of the Web site don't have a clue about this subject. I don't really see hostility (as I noted there are small numbers of posters who will write nasty comments to every category here) as much this segment of the community marginalized here--with the Web site doing that itself.

They do publish LBGTQ material, though, and I write it, submit it, and am content that it gets published.

 

[rvagirl]

I’ll retract “sizeable” until I’ve done official statistical analysis, but, ya know, we are here and we deserve respect. I don’t particularly care what mainstream posters think about that point because it’s 2022 and long past time for folks to get over the tiny little half chub feeling trolling provides.

Just my two cents I guess. You might say that I’m a dreamer.

 

[KeithD]

I'm not going with a change in goal posts on what was posted that I responded to. I didn't post to the respect I think should be given, I posted to the assertion that LGBTQ writers/readers are either a large segment of the Literotica community or are given a large slice of presence here by the Web site itself. I haven't found either to be the case. That doesn't stop me from submitting stories on these topics here and I reiterate that I don't find a particularly high level of hostility here to the stories I post--just a few people and every category has those.

That's my basic response to the thread OP. One or two attacking comments is nothing unusual in any category. Just delete it and keep going in your lane.

 

[Comshaw]

I’ll retract “sizeable” until I’ve done official statistical analysis, but, ya know, we are here and we deserve respect. I don’t particularly care what mainstream posters think about that point because it’s 2022 and long past time for folks to get over the tiny little half chub feeling trolling provides.

Just my two cents I guess. You might say that I’m a dreamer.

It all depends on what you mean by the bolded above. My concept: everyone deserves a basic amount of respect for no other reason than they are human. From that point it all depends on their actions and interactions with me whether they earn more or lose it. If that's what you are referring to I agree. If you mean you deserve more than that basic amount of respect from the git go because you are who you are, sorry but that don't cut it.

Comshaw

 

[AlinaX]

It's simple. Commenters are welcome to comment on stories, but not to make statements that platform their bigotry.

It would be nice if posters (in this forum, at least) did not feel the need to argue over exactly how much respect we should show others.

 

[rvagirl]

It all depends on what you mean by the bolded above. My concept: everyone deserves a basic amount of respect for no other reason than they are human. From that point it all depends on their actions and interactions with me whether they earn more or lose it. If that's what you are referring to I agree. If you mean you deserve more than that basic amount of respect from the git go because you are who you are, sorry but that don't cut it.

Comshaw

Of course I don’t mean that we deserve more because we’re special unicorns. Trans people often do not get the basic amount of respect. That’s the whole crux of transphobia.

 

[Bubo_bubo]

Of course I don’t mean that we deserve more because we’re special unicorns. Trans people often do not get the basic amount of respect. That’s the whole crux of transphobia.

Though a little consideration of the specific problems of minorities face, might go a long a way to balance some of the day to day discrimination they're confronted with. I don't know if that counts as giving them more respect, but even so, it will serve to set the respect balance a bit right, given the way they often get less respect than they're due by society at large.

 

[PallidaMors9]

If I wanted to tell you how to write, I would tell you how to write and you would be better off for it.

What you need to do is learn how to check your hypersensitivity.



Announcing you are ignoring someone isn't ignoring them. It's mental weakness intended to make you feel strong while hightailing it in the opposite direction.

I have mental weakness and wish I was strong so I'm going to hightail it in the opposite direction and ignore LegoHead
Because it sure does at least feel good to rid your life of that nonsense
The walking, talking model for the Dunning-Kruger Effect

 

[Futakween]

It's all about tag words; I write futanari. Although I've only written three stories on this site, I make sure readers are aware it is futanari content. We can only post in one category at a time so my story may be in the fetish section then if so, my story will have a WARNING: Futanari, Interracial, Rape, etc.

I think other authors may want to follow a similar format. For instance, if one is posting a lesbian story where one is cis and trans maybe they should have a WARNING: Trans character, Cis Character, etc. That way people who aren't into that will hit that back button.

 

[Lifestyle66]

It's all about tag words; I write futanari. Although I've only written three stories on this site, I make sure readers are aware it is futanari content. We can only post in one category at a time so my story may be in the fetish section then if so, my story will have a WARNING: Futanari, Interracial, Rape, etc.

I think other authors may want to follow a similar format. For instance, if one is posting a lesbian story where one is cis and trans maybe they should have a WARNING: Trans character, Cis Character, etc. That way people who aren't into that will hit that back button.

Warnings are useless. They might work in fetish categories, because those clicking on that category are looking for that fetish.

But the Loving Wives haters can see a story title saying: "Swinger Wife Sucks a Stranger" with a description: "Husband watches and applauds as wife takes stranger's cum shot. ... And those LW haters will STILL click on it to go to the last page to click on a 1-bomb and leave a disgusting comment. They want ONLY Burn-the-bitch stories, with few exceptions! That is how they entertain themselves.

 

[Futakween]

Warnings are useless. They might work in fetish categories, because those clicking on that category are looking for that fetish.

But the Loving Wives haters can see a story title saying: "Swinger Wife Sucks a Stranger" with a description: "Husband watches and applauds as wife takes stranger's cum shot. ... And those LW haters will STILL click on it to go to the last page to click on a 1-bomb and leave a disgusting comment. They want ONLY Burn-the-bitch stories, with few exceptions! That is how they entertain themselves.

Not necessarily, they may be in the fetish section of the site to enjoy my futa story, but they may not like interracial or rape. So me saying, WARNING: Futanari, Interracial, Rape, etc, lets them know, about the other tags. Because again, we can't cross post to different categories.

I put one futa story in the interracial section of the site. Again, I had warnings for those not into futanari because, they may have come for the interracial but they may not stay because of the futa.

That one user in earlier pages of this thread mentioned her story being lesbian sex, but there were comments from users saying it needed to be tagged properly because she had trans people in the story. Not everyone is into trans erotica so to narrow people down not into that, she could have put WARNING: Trans characters. That way, those not into such characters could bounce.

Is there a cis-women lesbian tag? Let me search because if so then I suppose those users could have narrowed their own search down.

EDIT: No, there's no cis-women lesbian tag. Then those only looking for cis women lesbian content would just narrow it down even more to make sure they get the content they want unless authors are kind enough to have WARNING tags.

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

What should the warning tag have? "Caution lesbians with dicks ahead"

If people are not into futanari there is a good chance they will not know what it is. I had no idea what Hotwife or Dogging was till after I read the story with those concepts, I didn't know there was a term out there for those things.