Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI

[KeithD]

It's always hard to know when these people are sincerely mad and when they're just squawking in an attempt to scare authorities into backing off, but I marvel at the insistence that this raid (the FBI famously being packed with radiclibs and run by Trump's own appointee) was carried out on a pure political whim about a very minor matter. While anyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence, the standard to get such an action approved had to be unbelievably high.

They're just squawking. They can't be stupid enough not to know that Trump is a corrupt criminal.

 

[QueequegsHead]

And back to the new secret police of the IRS who were weaponized against the Tea Party and will now be focusing on Trump supporters, did you know that they have been buying arms and ammunition at an alarming rate? How long before they have their own Ruby Ridge or Waco, maybe with the help of the up armored KGB?

 

[Comshaw]

I spent an hour last night switching back and forth between Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow. It's interesting the difference in the guests and opinions.

Most of Rachel's hour were spent on evaluating the mechanisms, permissions and other things involved in the search warrant. She and her guests made several very good points. This wasn't undertaken by the FBI out of the blue, nor by a rogue element inside the agency bent on destroying Trump. Because Trump is a former president, they would have needed Merrick Garland to sign off on it, as well as probably the president. And lastly they would have had to have a judge issue the warrant. It could not have been done without that. I do not believe that ANY judge (even the most liberal) would sign off on such a bombastic warrant unless there was plenty of evidence that it was required. Any judge would be very careful about such a warrant because of the possibility that the whole thing could blow up, go down in flames and take them with it.

Now people can say that this was a democratic conspiracy to get Trump, but in the political environment we now live in, that the Dem's would make such a move without having some excellent reason to do so is ludicrous. They would also have to prove it to the American people afterward. I do not believe the Democrats had ANYTHING to do with the warrant. It was done by the numbers by the FBI. Because Trump is a former president, doing something like this is walking the edge of destruction of our democracy. Every T would need to be crossed, every I dotted and every reason would need to be solid. There would be no room error.

As far as what they were looking for, As Rachael pointed out, some of those documents could have been so secret they couldn't even name them. Some things that should have been turned over (like the letter from the leader of North Korea) wasn't and Trump didn't when he had the chance to, when he was politely asked for those records. Not doing so was a violation of the law. As far as the claim that the safe was empty, that came directly from Trump. I'm sorry, but his word is about as dependable as a Hugo car. If or when it comes from a reliable source, I'll believe it.

Meanwhile over on Fox the host and guests (with a big part of those being Trump family members) the time was spent on emotional diatribes about the Dems trying to "get" the former president, how January 6th wasn't an attempt to interfere with an election but just citizens exercising their right to protest and the claim that Trump had been the best president ever and that's why they are doing this, so he won't run again.

All in all it was an interesting exercise comparing the opinions and analysis from the two shows.

That said, this is a defining moment in history. It doesn't really matter if you hate Trump or see him as the best thing that ever happened.An action such as this has never been taken against a former president. Doing so carries an element of danger with it even if the FBI did every thing in accordance with the law (which I believe they have).

All we can do is wait to see what comes next.



Comshaw

 

[LukSkyFokker]

It won’t shake any one of our celebratory crowd of the morning to learn that this local magistrate is a former Federal Judge who gave up the bench to work for Jeffrey Epstein. I wonder how many flights he took on the Lolita Express. It still sounds like the Stalinists of the Deep State are behind this and there are some very bad players in the FBI/KGB.

45 appointed the person in charge of the investigation, AJ.

How many trips did 45 take with him on the Lolita Express?

 

[ll74]

I spent an hour last night switching back and forth between Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow. It's interesting the difference in the guests and opinions.

Most of Rachel's hour were spent on evaluating the mechanisms, permissions and other things involved in the search warrant. She and her guests made several very good points. This wasn't undertaken by the FBI out of the blue, nor by a rogue element inside the agency bent on destroying Trump. Because Trump is a former president, they would have needed Merrick Garland to sign off on it, as well as probably the president. And lastly they would have had to have a judge issue the warrant. It could not have been done without that. I do not believe that ANY judge (even the most liberal) would sign off on such a bombastic warrant unless there was plenty of evidence that it was required. Any judge would be very careful about such a warrant because of the possibility that the whole thing could blow up, go down in flames and take them with it.

Now people can say that this was a democratic conspiracy to get Trump, but in the political environment we now live in, that the Dem's would make such a move without having some excellent reason to do so is ludicrous. They would also have to prove it to the American people afterward. I do not believe the Democrats had ANYTHING to do with the warrant. It was done by the numbers by the FBI. Because Trump is a former president, doing something like this is walking the edge of destruction of our democracy. Every T would need to be crossed, every I dotted and every reason would need to be solid. There would be no room error.

As far as what they were looking for, As Rachael pointed out, some of those documents could have been so secret they couldn't even name them. Some things that should have been turned over (like the letter from the leader of North Korea) wasn't and Trump didn't when he had the chance to, when he was politely asked for those records. Not doing so was a violation of the law. As far as the claim that the safe was empty, that came directly from Trump. I'm sorry, but his word is about as dependable as a Hugo car. If or when it comes from a reliable source, I'll believe it.

Meanwhile over on Fox the host and guests (with a big part of those being Trump family members) the time was spent on emotional diatribes about the Dems trying to "get" the former president, how January 6th wasn't an attempt to interfere with an election but just citizens exercising their right to protest and the claim that Trump had been the best president ever and that's why they are doing this, so he won't run again.

All in all it was an interesting exercise comparing the opinions and analysis from the two shows.

That said, this is a defining moment in history. It doesn't really matter if you hate Trump or see him as the best thing that ever happened.An action such as this has never been taken against a former president. Doing so carries an element of danger with it even if the FBI did every thing in accordance with the law (which I believe they have).

All we can do is wait to see what comes next.



Comshaw

This is a great analysis. I agree with every point here.

 

[icanhelp1]

FFS, dummy. We investigate suspicions. All you're doing is patting the FBI on their backs for doing their job. The job 45 appointed them to do.

Investigations are conducted based on evidence and probable cause. A search can be legally conducted on reasonable suspicion such as a traffic stop. That's not the case here, the FBI procured a warrant from a magistrate, I'm sure based on a sworn affidavit for probable cause.

 

[icanhelp1]

This is a great analysis. I agree with every point here.

The current president could not be in the loop, that goes against DOJ protocol of established prosecutorial independence.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

 

[ll74]

The current president could not be in the loop, that goes against DOJ protocol of established prosecutorial independence.

Most analysis I've read believe the President wouldve been notified of the search occurring at the very least.

 

[ll74]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

Not surprisingly hyperbolic trash.

No one is above the law... sorry about that

 

[butters]

Kirschner surmised that the evidence could relate to classified documents that were reported on at the beginning of this year. In January, the National Archives and Records Administration reported to the House Oversight Committee that about 15 boxes containing classified national security documents were returned by Trump after the documents were allegedly taken from the White House when he left office last year—an act that could result in a "five-year felony," Kirschner said at the time.

"That is something we've known about for a very long time," Kirschner said Monday. "It feels like there must be something more at play with respect to this dramatic step, the first search warrant of a former president's home other than just collecting some stray documents."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=47b9b63bad6643749672125ab7ea2875

former trump aide spoke about trump's mishandling of documents... says she frequently witnessed him throwing things out, tearing things up, singling out other documents and stuffing them in his pockets... speculates this habit he had of removing certain items and putting them in his pockets might be reflective of stuff he may have squirreled away in his safe
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ssified-documents/vi-AA10sIcJ?category=foryou

 

[jomar]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

Nice try. You do RG proud.

 

[CMK89]

 

[ll74]

45 is also fundraising off of this.

Who cares?

 

[CMK89]

45 is also fundraising off of this.

Who cares?

Just sharing info on the mar-a-lago raid

 

[phrodeau]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

Sorry, it wasn’t worth a read.

 

[Rotadom]

Trump won a damn election from "Hillary's emails!"

 

[CMK89]

 

[butters]

Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg:

"I think part of the urgency here is that Trump has very poor counterintelligence hygiene," he continued. "He blabs secrets all the time. He is not careful about this kind of information. We also know Mar-a-Lago has been a target for foreign governments trying to get access to information. There was a trespasser several years ago who was arrested there, who was believed to be linked to the Chinese intelligence service.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=47b9b63bad6643749672125ab7ea2875

the Archives people will have a pretty good idea of exactly what's still missing. if these documents are classified (as i think is the case), then there's a clear and present danger they could be misused and fall into the hands of those whose interests lie in harming the USA.

the missing records could also be an integral part of the happenings leading up to jan 6th and the coverup attempts.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

Not to worry. If it's an illegal raid, the building has a way of shutting it down.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

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[Raazor]

Another surprisingly good article from the Daily Mail that's worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columni...president-no-one-safe-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

No, it’s Richard Littlejohn. Also, quite why former Presidents, or powerful people in general, should be sanctified and placed above the law is a bad take.

France have the right attitude. They enjoy prosecuting former Presidents. It’s almost a national sport.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Either way, it's going to mean a lot of fun post-November as the impeachments begin to roll out. When even the RINO's get themselves worked up, you know you've hit the right buttons.

Thanks FBI. You're fucked....

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Most analysis I've read believe the President wouldve been notified of the search occurring at the very least.

Here’s what the left leaning news outlets are reporting:

https://www.newsweek.com/did-biden-know-about-fbi-search-trumps-mar-lago-what-we-know-1732190

CNN's Kaitlan Collins said on "AC360" that "The Biden White House was also unaware that this was being conducted, and say they found out when the rest of us did."

"No advance knowledge. Some learned from old media some from social media," a senior official told CBS' Ed O'Keefe.

The New York Times' Jonathan Martin reported that Biden's top aides found out about the search on Twitterand that other senior White House officials learned of the news from Trump.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Here’s what the left leaning news outlets are reporting:

https://www.newsweek.com/did-biden-know-about-fbi-search-trumps-mar-lago-what-we-know-1732190

CNN's Kaitlan Collins said on "AC360" that "The Biden White House was also unaware that this was being conducted, and say they found out when the rest of us did."

"No advance knowledge. Some learned from old media some from social media," a senior official told CBS' Ed O'Keefe.

The New York Times' Jonathan Martin reported that Biden's top aides found out about the search on Twitterand that other senior White House officials learned of the news from Trump.

Don't worry, sparky. This is just like j6, no one cares and no one is paying attention. Have you seen the ratings? Pathetic. Definitely not ready for primetime.