Do you own your body?

Joint responsibility, even when she's had sex on the understanding that her partner wears a condom and he takes it off because he likes that better?
Joint responsibility, even when she's raped?
Joint responsibility, even if she takes the pill, but it's not effective because she had a bad kebab and a stomach upset a week ago and she can no longer take a morning after pill to make sure, because of anti-choice legislation?

In all these cases, she certainly ends up with the responsibility. The guy, not so much.
Until the day men take their responsibility and stop cumming everywhere with no sense of consequence, men should butt out about the morality or practicality of a woman managing her own health and her own body.
Your mistake is dumping illegal acts in with legal acts and blaming all of it on all men.

No way to build consensus in that.
 
That’s a different topic.

For me, i laugh at women fighting for a right they say is theirs alone out of one side of their mouth while telling men to assume the blame and cost out of the other.

Nice try!

Even the dumbest red neck knows they're at least financially responsible for kids they've sired. It's a common saying "Child support is the fuckin' you get for the fuckin' you got." It's amazing all of these asshole men thinking they should have a say after they freely dumped their load. You gave it away - you passed the ball - you took the shot. You aren't in control anymore, but you did willingly set things in action. Now now need to step up and show some integrity.
 
Your mistake is dumping illegal acts in with legal acts and blaming all of it on all men.

No way to build consensus in that.
Legality of how a woman gets pregnant has nothing to do with the decision to have an abortion.

And *my* body is not up for "consensus". ✊
 
I'm pro choice up to 24 weeks as I've already stated. My issue isn't abortion, my issue gender identity and how it fits in with the abortion issue. My position is abortion reminds us all what a nonsense gender fluidity is.
It’s still a different topic.
 
I'm pro choice up to 24 weeks as I've already stated. My issue isn't abortion, my issue gender identity and how it fits in with the abortion issue. My position is abortion reminds us all what a nonsense gender fluidity is.

Lol. Gender fluidity? It was asshole men who taught me that I could be wearing jeans and a t-shirt and still be misgendered.

I was constantly misgendered by people with myopic expectations until I grew facial hair, even then I've been groped from behind. Ever been groped by a man who thought he had the right to grab a hot piece of ass? I have. Ever been called a faggot then been threatened by some burly tough guy who just grabbed you because he was offended that the ass he grabbed wasn't attached to a female?

It was scary and hilarious to watch him defend himself to his friends - basically defending his masculinity by telling them how pretty and femme I was. :LOL:
 
How’s that working out?

How’s that working out?

My "no consensus" stand has never really been tested, except I guess by the very real use of abortions regardless of their legality and safety.

Women being reasonable and ready to compromise has worked to various degrees in different countries. But what's happening in the US shows us that we really can't trust men to not want to control women's reproduction.
 
I'm pro choice up to 24 weeks as I've already stated. My issue isn't abortion, my issue gender identity and how it fits in with the abortion issue. My position is abortion reminds us all what a nonsense gender fluidity is.
Awesome...let me help you here - it doesn't fit in with the abortion issue. Maybe go rewatch my Ted talk above on the topic.

Issue solved

If abortion reminds you about gender fluidity, it's because you're thoroughly confused, most likely about both.
 
Lol. Gender fluidity? It was asshole men who taught me that I could be wearing jeans and a t-shirt and still be misgendered.

I was constantly misgendered by people with myopic expectations until I grew facial hair, even then I've been groped from behind. Ever been groped by a man who thought he had the right to grab a hot piece of ass? I have. Ever been called a faggot then been threatened by some burly tough guy who just grabbed you because he was offended that the ass he grabbed wasn't attached to a female?

It was scary and hilarious to watch him defend himself to his friends - basically defending his masculinity by telling them how pretty and femme I was. :LOL:
Still a different topic.

My "no consensus" stand has never really been tested, except I guess by the very real use of abortions regardless of their legality and safety.

Women being reasonable and ready to compromise has worked to various degrees in different countries. But what's happening in the US shows us that we really can't trust men to not want to control women's reproduction.

Americans are a fucked up people on most every topic.
 
You won't even tell us what you think a woman is. lol.
You must've missed my Ted talk. Maybe rewatch again.

But I get how this one question continues to somehow be important to you in relation to unrelated topics of a wide variety of things. Do you ask it during interviews?
 
Still a different topic.

My point is that some men have expectations that they can literally grab and take possession of what ever they want, then toss it aside when they are done. These people are the types who would not extend the same rights of sovereignty or respect to others that they expect for themselves.

They trespass upon the rights of other people because they feel superior and try to use tradition to justify their selfish actions and biases. They are threatened by anyone who challenges their entitlement.

Some men howled when women were given the right to own and to inherit land, other men became the majority and voted to give women those rights.

What kind of man are you?
 
My point is that some men have expectations that they can literally grab and take possession of what ever they want, then toss it aside when they are done. These people are the types who would not extend the same rights of sovereignty or respect to others that they expect for themselves.

They trespass upon the rights of other people because they feel superior and try to use tradition to justify their selfish actions and biases. They are threatened by anyone who challenges their entitlement.

Some men howled when women were given the right to own and to inherit land, other men became the majority and voted to give women those rights.

What kind of man are you?

I think when people start thinking of each other as people, most of the american culture wars will fade away.
 
I wonder how many babies will be born over the next year that would otherwise have been snuffed?
 
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