Do you own your body?

[BabyBoomer50s]

No, according to the rules around here, I don't have to put up links to back my statements, just ask dmonty, or rightguide or a slew of other dumb fuck Americans hanging out on these board. You have proven your misogyny over abortion time and again, So fuck off.

You are free to post unsubstantiated claims but if you can’t back them up you have no credibility.

 

[rockcasbah]

You are free to post unsubstantiated claims but if you can’t back them up you have no credibility.

Oh do fuck off.

It’s a discussion forum.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

You are free to post unsubstantiated claims but if you can’t back them up you have no credibility.

Are you really this dumb or just playing an idiot on the internet?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://www.newsweek.com/anger-woman-denied-abortifacient-medication-roe-v-wade-abortion-1721428

Thank you. The picture is now becoming more clear. A woman in VA has been notified by her rheumatologist that they are “pausing” methotrexate prescriptions while they work up “policies and practices” that will allow them to continue prescribing it. In the meantime she’s transitioning to another medication for her condition.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Question: does the my body my choice position take precedence when a woman traps a man into marriage by getting pregnant through fraud?

Hmm?
Which happens more often?
You can force someone to get married!?
I thought that requires a shotgun ?
We need a way to impregnate oh say, rapists with slow growing watermelons up their a-holes. Then? Well it’s a start.
But, attaching their salaries fit the next 21 years to support their kids could be next and NOT the equivalent of a forced parenthood.

Men! Who the fuck put them in charge? Oh? That Constitution thingy!

This predates that

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Crap! That’s just men again

Amen !!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Oh do fuck off.

It’s a discussion forum.

Right. And people who back up their claims have more credibility than those who do not.

 

[rockcasbah]

Right. And people who back up their claims have more credibility than those who do not.

Could you back that up, please?



( crickets)

Game/Set/Match

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Right. And people who back up their claims have more credibility than those who do not.

Short of a woman posting her own medical records with notes from her doctor who will also be exposed, what would appease your ignorant ass?

 

[rockcasbah]

Short of a woman posting her own medical records with notes from her doctor who will also be exposed, what would appease your ignorant ass?

If it’s Angina, an update of her nudes is overdue here.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

If it’s Angina, an update of her nudes is overdue here.

Just because I typed "short" doesn't mean I was talking to you, tyrion.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don’t think I said 8.5 months but very likely did say that late term abortion, defined as 21 weeks by the CDC, is not uncommon in the US. The abortion rights Guttmacher Institute estimates about 15,000 terminations per year fall into this category, and says that “data suggests that most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.”

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Less than 1% of abortions take place in the third trimester – here’s why people get them

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Less than 1% of abortions take place in the third trimester – here’s why people get them

Same conclusion. Thousands of elective late term abortions occur in the US each year for reasons other than fetal anomalies or risk to the mothers life.

The CDC estimated there were 630,000 abortions in the US in 2019. Abortion rights group Guttmacher Institute has a higher and more recent figure of 916,000 for 2020. The source cited in the link you shared (which is based on 28 interviews) and Gittmacher research conclude about 1% of the total abortions are late term. The CDC put the figure at 1.3%. So these numbers indicate between 6,300 and 9,160 in recent years. Earlier Guttmacher research from 2010 put the figure at 15,000. The percentage is low, but the number of total late term abortions is high, and they are predominantly elective.

Only of the 28 women in the study you cited said the termination was due to a fetal anomaly (the baby‘s brain stopped developing). The rest were due to issues not related to fetal complications or risk to the mother’s life. The Guttmacher research concludes that these deaths are not the reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment. Reasons cited are “raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous [had never given birth].”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013

 

[rockcasbah]

Daddy is an agrophile in Texas
Mommy's on the bar most every night
Little Betty's sleeping in the graveyard
Living there in burgundy and white

Dead Babies
Alice Cooper

 

[butters]

Second-trimester abortions have been inaccurately called “late-term abortions.” But that’s a confusing term because the medical definition of “late term” refers to pregnancy — not abortion. Keep reading to learn about abortions that happen after the first trimester of pregnancy.

Is there a difference between late-term and second-term abortions?​

“Late-term” and “second-term” abortions both refer to the same thing: abortions that happen after the first term, in the second trimester of a pregnancy.

Pregnancy is often described in three segments called trimesters:

• First trimester: conception through week 12
• Second trimester: week 13 to 26 of pregnancy
• Third trimester: week 27 until the end of pregnancy, anywhere from 38 to 42 weeks for a full-term delivery

“Late-term” is a medical term used to describe the very end of a pregnancy, after it has reached “full term,” from week 41 onward. Abortions can’t and don’t happen in these late stages of pregnancy.

So, you can see how describing second-term abortions as “late-term” abortions is misleading and imprecise. In fact, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) has made it clear that a “late-term abortion” has no medical meaning.

What percentage of abortions are late-term (second-term) abortions?​

According to data from the CDC, the vast majority, or 91%, of abortions take place during the first trimester of pregnancy. Of the remaining 9% of abortions that happen after the first trimester:

• 7.7% happen between weeks 14 and 20
• 1.2% happen at or after week 21

Second-term abortions require specialized care, and only 16% of abortion providers in the U.S. offer services up until week 24 of pregnancy. There are 43 states with laws that restrict how far into pregnancy an abortion can be provided. The latest point in pregnancy that you can have an abortion in the U.S. is 24 weeks.

Abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare and happen only in extreme circumstances, usually when there are fetal problems that aren’t compatible with life.

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/abortion/late-term-abortion

or, as a doctor who has performed thousands of deliveries says: 'there's no such thing as third trimester abortions, they are all deliveries'.

 

[rockcasbah]

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/abortion/late-term-abortion

or, as a doctor who has performed thousands of deliveries says: 'there's no such thing as third trimester abortions, they are all deliveries'.

I saw in Butters Fact Check thread… That’s how luk lost his chin, bbq tongs.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Same conclusion. Thousands of elective late term abortions occur in the US each year for reasons other than fetal anomalies or risk to the mothers life.

The CDC estimated there were 630,000 abortions in the US in 2019. Abortion rights group Guttmacher Institute has a higher and more recent figure of 916,000 for 2020. The source cited in the link you shared (which is based on 28 interviews) and Gittmacher research conclude about 1% of the total abortions are late term. The CDC put the figure at 1.3%. So these numbers indicate between 6,300 and 9,160 in recent years. Earlier Guttmacher research from 2010 put the figure at 15,000. The percentage is low, but the number of total late term abortions is high, and they are predominantly elective.

Only of the 28 women in the study you cited said the termination was due to a fetal anomaly (the baby‘s brain stopped developing). The rest were due to issues not related to fetal complications or risk to the mother’s life. The Guttmacher research concludes that these deaths are not the reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment. Reasons cited are “raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous [had never given birth].”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013

That's a splendid little article. Didja happen to see the percentage of women who only got third-trimester abortions because they had to save up to pay for them? Quite a few! That would indicate to me that you and your fellow goose-steppers' strategery of putting as many obstacles in teh path of women who want abortions really worked, especially for teh lower socio-economic classes.


I doubt Lil Vanky had to wait more than a day or so to have the unwanted bun removed from her oven, but hai, wealth has its own privileges.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

That's a splendid little article. Didja happen to see the percentage of women who only got third-trimester abortions because they had to save up to pay for them? Quite a few! That would indicate to me that you and your fellow goose-steppers' strategery of putting as many obstacles in teh path of women who want abortions really worked, especially for teh lower socio-economic classes.


I doubt Lil Vanky had to wait more than a day or so to have the unwanted bun removed from her oven, but hai, wealth has its own privileges.

Yes. Elective medical procedures are not free.

 

[rockcasbah]

Up here in Canada, when a group of male blowhards get together to try and show each other who knows more about this or that, the topic list is usually either about:

- the relative superiority of the usa’s military to the Russians or Chinese;
- motor oil
- leafs or habs

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Up here in Canada, when a group of male blowhards get together to try and show each other who knows more about this or that, the topic list is usually either about:

- the relative superiority of the usa’s military to the Russians or Chinese;
- motor oil
- leafs or habs

I've never had the USA vs Russia or Chinese military debate in my peer group...are we missing out?

 

[rockcasbah]

I've never had the USA vs Russia or Chinese military debate in my peer group...are we missing out?

You need armed forces guys for it to really rock; lots of references to Janes publications, etc. Boring. As. Fuck.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes. Elective medical procedures are not free.

We will have to agree to disagree as to whether abortion is an "elective medical procedure". It's not, I know it's not, you know it's not, but I understand your slavish devotion to "the narrative" trumps serious discussion. Godspeed Boomer.

 

[rockcasbah]

*cough* *robshit* *cough* *robloss*

An “elective” medical procedure is one relating to, being, or involving a nonemergency that is planned in advance and is not immediately essential to the survival of the patient. This may include anything from hip replacements, a subset of cardiac bypass and stent procedures and pre-emptive cancer surgeries.

 

[ll74]

*cough* *robshit* *cough* *robloss*

An “elective” medical procedure is one relating to, being, or involving a nonemergency that is planned in advance and is not immediately essential to the survival of the patient. This may include anything from hip replacements, a subset of cardiac bypass and stent procedures and pre-emptive cancer surgeries.

There's no requirement for reasoning for an abortion unless the law requires it.

Don't like it.

Don't have one.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"Time is of the essence" Rocky.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

*cough* *robshit* *cough* *robloss*

An “elective” medical procedure is one relating to, being, or involving a nonemergency that is planned in advance and is not immediately essential to the survival of the patient. This may include anything from hip replacements, a subset of cardiac bypass and stent procedures and pre-emptive cancer surgeries.

You really need a nap. Whole E. Shit.