Just another day in the gun paradise of the world.

[butters]

“There were six bodies that were immediately assessed to be dead. Those bodies were literally blown up by these bullets.” (Authorities confirmed Monday afternoon that at least six people had been killed; the gunman remained at large.)

Other victims were hit in the arms or legs, Baum said. “I saw horrific, devastating injuries, the kind that you normally see in a war.”

As emergency responders tended to victims, Baum said he pitched in with other healthcare professionals, including a nurse, a nurse practitioner, an emergency room doctor, and a plastic surgeon.

“I don't think I need to describe the horrific nature of what the bullets did to those bodies, but it was horrific,” said Baum of Monday’s attack. “As a physician for 33 years, blood doesn't bother me. But seeing people's heads blown up, and bodies eviscerated, would be disturbing to anyone who was there besides maybe a physician.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctor-rushed-aid-victims-moments-200659432.html

i was watching stuff unfold on abc... they had some guy (some 'expert) very keen to intercede in the narrative of the moment with how "impossible" it is to stop these kinds of shootings, given the numbers of guns out there, yada yada yada, and how focusing on mental health is the only way forward.

of course mental health's important; people have been lobbying for YEARS for improved mental health care. But it's not true to say these kinds of attacks are impossible to stop; it might not stop every single one, but the one step that could be taken to prevent so many, and the kinds of casualties the doctor above and those speaking after Ulvade, is one most republicans will refuse to go near: BAN civilian ownership of any of these AR/AK/whatever boutique name they're being sold under 'assault-style rifles. Declare them illegal to own, illegal to have inside your home, illegal to be sold to the general public.

without that step, this will continue to happen in shops and places of business, church, parks, concerts, movie houses, parades... every day life. Until enough people are personally impacted that they feel they can't ignore it and stand up for the removal of these weapons. There're none so convinced of the need to make these guns illegal as those who're living with the consequences of experiencing an attack.

 

[butters]

it's a mathematical equation

when a exceeds b, the answer is c

a: no. of people who want to ban 'assault-style' weapons
b: no. of people who don't want to ban them (incl. gun industry whose sole purpose is selling them)
c: enough votes to create the political will to ban them

 

[butters]

An archive of 17 YouTube videos apparently belonging to Crimo alternates between wholesome and foreboding.

The most chilling video is the final one in the series, uploaded eight months ago, which features footage of a young man in a bedroom and a classroom along with cartoons of a gunman and people being shot.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAZcwko.img?w=534&h=300&m=6&x=466&y=69&s=114&d=114
© YouTubeRobert “Bobby” Crimo III is seen in an image from a video posted on YouTube. Crimo is a person of interest in the mass shooting during Highland Park's Fourth of July parade.

Superimposed on the video is a rotating image of interlocked triangles. ”I need to just do it,” a voice-over says over instrumental music. “It is my destiny. Everything has led up to this. Nothing can stop me, not even myself. Is there such a thing as free will, or has this been planned out like a cosmic recipe? It is what I’ve been waiting for in the back of my head, ready to be awakened. It’s what I was sent here to do, like a sleepwalker walking steady with my head held high, like a sleepwalker walking blindly into the night.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=2f611594a3e943ebfcbbc3da163fd4f2

 

[KeithD]

It isn't any more a mental health-focused issue than it is anywhere else in the world where they aren't having this at pandemic levels as the United States is. It is an access by civilians to weapons of quick, mass killing issue. All of the deflection of gun nuts isn't going to change that. Such weapons need to be banned from the hands of anyone outside of the armed forces (meeting the intent of the Founders, who were only talking about muskets anyway). They need to be outlawed. They need to be put into a buy-back program for a certain amount of time and then anyone tracked down as having one needs to go to prison as a threat to other Americans. Nothing short of this is going to work. The 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee civilians the right to have an assault weapon any more than to have a nuclear-tipped missile.

 

[butters]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543674588953018368

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543999391966674945

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544000280995438592

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544141107839352832

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544167651374759938

 

[rockcasbah]

Maybe you’re right….

maybe it’s something about young white American men

Generation of Defects?

 

[rockcasbah]

Male, history of drug and alcohol abuse, heavy metal fan, cartoons, reclusive, few friends, a bit “off”, strange, aberrant behaviors….

Most American mass shooters check most of those boxes.

And its an American thing.

 

[rockcasbah]

White American Men are clearly defective.

 

[JohnnySavage]

"Mass shootings" are just a drop in murder bucket. The majority of murders don't count and don't get press (or threads from BB/Butters) though because of the race of the parties involved.

 

[jaF0]

Yet another Donny-ite.

 

[rockcasbah]

Murder rate per 100,000:

USA: 4.96

Canada: 1.75

283% more murders per capita

Everyone here says it’s either:
-guns or
-mental health

that makes you kill each other at Third World rates.

 

[Rotadom]

Except for the mass shooting in the Netherlands just a few days ago...

That's LittleDixie level false equivalency.

 

[Rotadom]

so who is to say that it wasn't the celebrity Left

His online rants? His own words? Really hard to tell.

 

[Rotadom]

Address the topic; don't ad hominem.

Copenhagen!

Except for the mass shooting in the Netherlands just a few days ago..

^^Off topic

so who is to say that it wasn't the celebrity Left

^^ Adhom

 

[rockcasbah]

Maybe if your parade-goers were more Patriotic, they would have had AR15’s so they could return fire.

Who goes to a celebration of the War of Independance unarmed???

 

[Rotadom]

Ad hominem is directed at an individual in order to discredit their argument.

You really should have finished High School.

(That's ad hominem )

You're spamming the board with that message. It's weird how you measure competence on public education. Not very Libertarian of you.

 

[Rotadom]

What we need are stricter gun laws!

We know.

 

[rockcasbah]

Something Americans never discuss here is fear.

Fear is often revealed in the form of anger.

American men kill in greater numbers per capita than other first world countries.

Fears American men here mention frequently:

- homophobia
- transphobia
- racial fears
- feminism/womens rights
- liberal society
- inclusion
- pronouns
- height
- immigrants

 

[ll74]

We need more good guys with guns

 

[rockcasbah]

when someone mentioned that white us-americans are the most fearful people and that's why they need their guns someone answered that they don't fear anything as they have their guns

The long term effects on gun-carrying police officers and military men are well-documented.

-drug and alcohol abuse
-difficulty forming/keeping healthy domestic relationships
- family violence
- gambling
- poor health
-mental health issues
- early death

Carrying a gun and/or living in fear has consequences.

 

[rockcasbah]

Those are the long-term effects of high-stress, dangerous jobs.

Now do skyscraper steel workers...

I wasn’t aware you have a high-steel worker crime problem.

Are they required to carry firearms at work?

 

[jomar]

Something Americans never discuss here is fear.

Fear is often revealed in the form of anger.

American men kill in greater numbers per capita than other first world countries.

Fears American men here mention frequently:

- homophobia
- transphobia
- racial fears
- feminism/womens rights
- liberal society
- inclusion
- pronouns
- height
- immigrants

You just outlined trumps agenda for his base. Hmmm…

 

[rockcasbah]

You've never worked heavy construction, have you?

Those guys are always in trouble with the law along with the iron workers.

Are they required to carry firearms to work?

Sorry Charlie, StarKist wants tuna that tastes good.

 

[rockcasbah]

You just outlined trumps agenda for his base. Hmmm…

Nobody does fear better than the Republicans!