Mourning the Dictatorship.

[dmonty]

Abortion is neither of those things therefore you are accidentally correct.

Abortion, the common expression used to obscure the act of killing an unborn child isn't murder...

 

[Rightguide]

Abortion, the common expression used to obscure the act of killing an unborn child isn't murder...

It's simply infanticide.

 

[ll74]

Murder, infanticide isn't a civil liberty, never was

I didn't mention those things

 

[dmonty]

For what purpose?? Unnecessary medical procedures are still child abuse

so would you be okay if every boy starting puberty would have to be fixed instead?

 

[John_von_Neumann]

It's simply infanticide.

Incorrect. Because words have commonly accepted definitions, vetteman.

 

[dmonty]

I didn't mention those things

Actually you did, see below

Abortion

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Actually you did, see below

No, he didn’t. See your post.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

No, he didn’t. See your post.

He's either trying and failing to be clever or he's an idiot.

 

[dmonty]

No one said you did.

Actually you stated multiple times in this thread that they were.
See below

Freedom of religion.

You must have. You should go check before you expose your ignorance again.

 

[dmonty]

to fight unwanted pregnancies

By forced unnecessary medical procedures against innocent children that can cause medical complications and more harms?....

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

He's either trying and failing to be clever or he's an idiot.

You’re negating the possibility that it’s both.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Actually you stated multiple times in this thread that they were.
See below

Wrong again.

 

[ll74]

Actually you did, see below

Abortion is neither murder nor infanticide. Whether you believe otherwise has no bearing on that fact. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.

An infant exists after birth.

 

[Rightguide]

what about the harm to the women when forced to have a baby? or what if a child of 12 or 13 years gets pregnant from abuse?

What about personal responsibility and birth control?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What about personal responsibility and birth control?

Vette, do you honestly think in that situation or in a situation of rape it happens because the woman wasn’t being responsible?

 

[dmonty]

that's so motte and bailey

OK please cite this supposed civil liberty in any 1790's debate on the US Constitution and natural rights... the Founding Fathers, had diverse opinions on it, with Ben Franklin writing about how to do it yourself methods, to those that felt a professional (doctor) should be engaged to perform them, to those who were firmly against it in any form, regardless of their own beliefs, none advocated that it was a civil liberty, or that it should be a Constitutionally protected right, they all felt it was as with homicides in general to to the States to individually decide. Much like they do for justifiable homicides[which would or could include "abortions"]

 

[dmonty]

what about the harm to the women when forced to have a baby? or what if a child of 12 or 13 years gets pregnant from abuse?

Those medically necessary are already legal, and remain so. Currently this occurs in less than 1% of all abortions in the US every year... the remaining 99%+ of all abortions in the US are for birth control methods

 

[ll74]

Still not a valid statistic..and I see you increased the percentage this time.

Next time I'm expecting 101%

 

[dmonty]

Vette, do you honestly think in that situation or in a situation of rape it happens because the woman wasn’t being responsible?

Those aren't banned either, RU486, the morning after pill is still available and prevents the possibility of pregnancy even occurring in those cases

 

[dmonty]

Still not a valid statistic..and I see you increased the percentage this time.

Next time I'm expecting 101%

Actually <1% + >99% = 100%... not 101%

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Those aren't banned either, RU486, the morning after pill is still available and prevents the possibility of pregnancy even occurring in those cases

Rape is still illegal.
That seems to make whatever point you were trying to make moot.

 

[ll74]

Actually <1% + >99% = 100%... not 101%

Yes, I get that you make up shit

 

[Rightguide]

so only women have to care about? what about the cases of rape? and from which age on shall women get birth control? what about those (few) of us who cannot for medical reasons? and what about responsibility of the men?

did you know that in countries with liberal abortion law the actual number of abortions compared to the population size is much lower than in countries that forbid abortion at all? this is also due to early age-appropriate sex-ed and the welfare system helping (from information to money) with the raising of children and some other factors

What I said about personal responsibility goes for both sexes. There have to be consequences for both. In many places there are exceptions to abortion laws in the cases of rape or incest. There are morning-after medications that can prevent pregnancy way before viability.

In the 50 years it was legal here we managed to kill 63 million lives.

 

[Rightguide]

because it's medically less harmful to fix a boy than to fix a girl and easier reversible when the guy plans a family than for a woman

Nobody is going to buy that shit. Young People Need to be re-educated about sex and the social consequences of unwanted pregnancy from an early age, instead of the corruptive shit they are exposed to now. Back before abortion became a form of convenient birth control.

 

[ll74]

Nobody is going to buy that shit. Young People Need to be re-educated about sex and the social consequences of unwanted pregnancy from an early age, instead of the corruptive shit they are exposed to now. Back before abortion became a form of convenient birth control.

Most young people aren't getting pregnant these days.