What’s your most controversial opinion?

[aussiegeekygal]

Sometimes, dribble, you speak a whole other language.

It's kinda fun, though... I love dribble's dribble

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Are we saying that church goers, even elders of the church, arent allowed to explore sexuality online?

Good point. I think church would be way better for everyone if the elders did understand their sexual selves a little better.

 

[cascadiabound]

Maybe not while they’re at church.

What? I can't log onto Lit from church? Last I checked it worked just fine

 

[Vinnie7745]

Are we saying that church goers, even elders of the church, arent allowed to explore sexuality online?

Said nothing about church goers, or exploring sexuality. However, being raised (and now an escapee of) southern baptist, I'm referring to the church elders who sit around and judge everyone else, all while drinking their alcohol from plastic cups so no one can see what's inside.

 

[cascadiabound]

We are all born being many men....yet we die being only one. Each day we toss away possibilities of who we could be...and settle for the easy of conforming to who others around us reward us for being.

we contain multitudes

 

[aussiegeekygal]

What? I can't log onto Lit from church? Last I checked it worked just fine

I love testing whose wifi blocks lit...
Kfc- I'm looking at you, pervs

 

[jaF0]

Sometimes, dribble, you speak a whole other language.

Sometimes?


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Churchies can do whatever they want .... with adults.

Yay Jessica Hahn!!!

 

[KatieDoes]

I’ve taught Sunday School

 

[ydahecnot]

I masturbate on Sundays and cry out “oh, God!”

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I am not coming anywhere near this conversation.

 

[ydahecnot]

I am not coming anywhere near this conversation.

Fix your typo

 

[jaF0]

and dribble who has never done a bad thing in his life.

I call wanting to dissolve the U.S. a bad thing.

 

[JerseyJade]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Been listening to hip-hop longer than you’ve been alive and it has never been ok. Ask white rappers Emenim, Yelawolf or Mac Miller rip. Or ask Common, Ice Cube or Kendrick Lamar. Also, if you are so comfy using it why do you repeatedly refer to it as the ‘N word?’ Just say it you brilliant linguist. But please before you do that figure out the difference between ‘worse’ and ‘worst’ and learn to use them properly. I will help. You are the worst.

Hmm, it's not okay, huh? You must be talking about a different Eminem.

 

[Mo_Bandy]

Hmm, it's not okay, huh? You must be talking about a different Eminem.

Yes and he has been criticized for it. Pretty sure he has stopped using it entirely. I guess you have never read the Source huh?

Here is the godfather of hip hop, Ice Cubes take.

And here is another where Kendrick Lamar not being a fan of it either. Dude stops his show. Be better.

 

[Chillygirl]

I wasn’t going to say a word but….you are the mother of biracial children who will face all sorts of racism their whole lives. Some passive some horrifically in their face. They will always have to be mindful of their words and actions because people will be waiting to judge them. They shouldn’t have to face that same racism at home from their white mother. Do better.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Laughing (the type of nervous laugh that makes you wanna throw up) about the fact that most people that hang out in this thread saw a white woman defend her right to use racist language AND DID NOT SAY ANYTHING but changed the subject really quick.

Dude I wish I would've seen the same energy I saw from pick me girls when they were coming at me for being blunt aka offensive bc I'm a woman.

Topics about racism and white Supremacy are uncomfortable to talk about. It's supposed to be. I know a lot of people don't have to think about it bc you benefit from it (cough white privilege). But i hope you sit in the fucking discomfort at the very least of knowing that it is fucked up (to see racism and not call it out) and I see you! (Not that what I think matters to you). Also add to that that there was a lot of crossover between this and the rape/consent talk.

And don't fucking send me a DM explaining why you didn't say anything. I don't give a shit about your shitty excuses.

I'll bite.

If you want to know why no one wants to have discussions on issues like race, look no further than your post. There is absolutely no room for discussion in how you write and address people who disagree with you.

People immediately called Jade racist after her comment. Do you genuinely think that she finds one race superior to another? Could you even make room for the possibility of saying, "That word is offensive to me and you probably shouldn't be using it"? No. Instead, she was immediately deemed a racist. There was zero consideration for the possibility that she maybe just used offensive language. Using offensive language and being a racist person are not concentric circles in the venn diagram.

This is why people steer clear of such discussions. Because there is absolutely no room for the possibility of error. Therefore, there is no room for the possibility of learning.

There is a dangerous trend of people using buzzwords like racist or bigot, which ultimately ends any possibility of discussion. Once that word has been used, it's like a mic drop and no one dare speak. I would presume, based on the decisions Jade has made to surround herself with black people in her life, that she probably doesn't find them inferior as a race. That would be a silly conclusion to draw, would it not? However, what so many want to grab onto is language you find offensive and dub the person a racist.

Once again, is your point to show how virtuous you are? Or are you trying to change the behaviours you dislike? How many of you have ever changed your mind on a topic because you are berated and called names?

I presume no one thinks you are blunt or offensive because you are a woman. I think you are dislikable because of your personality and your inability to rationally discuss topics that you claim are important.

As a white guy, I am more than happy to discuss topics of racism in a healthy way. Many people are. But the fear of being labeled a racist makes many shy away from wanting open discussions and prohibits any potential progress one may hope to achieve. Your post only gets your friends to grovel for forgiveness. You've done nothing to better the cause.

 

[tnman03]

I wasn’t going to say a word but….you are the mother of biracial children who will face all sorts of racism their whole lives. Some passive some horrifically in their face. They will always have to be mindful of their words and actions because people will be waiting to judge them. They shouldn’t have to face that same racism at home from their white mother. Do better.

OK, let's stop this for just a moment and break some things down instead of a bunch of us Caucasians being critical of JJ. She has at least one biracial child, her domestic partner is, IIRC, biracial. A significant portion of her friends are persons of color, as are her neighbors, co-workers, and the social settings (clubs) she visits. Plus she is significantly younger than almost all of us, as are her friends. What she and they say or do in their own bubble of existence is their business.

I haven't and I'll never go through the things JJ has experienced, but what I do know is that she is a good-hearted lady and a treasured friend. She, as do many others comes here to Lit to banter, laugh, socialize and have fun. Where do any of us come up with the privilege to correct her, criticize her, or tell her how to speak or otherwise live her life? We don't have any ideal what her peers say to her or think about her. But I'm very certain that if any of them take affront to anything that they perceive to be offensive or racially distasteful then they will tell her.

One of the things I really dislike about Lit is we are too quick to correct someone else on something that's not in our realm of having been subjected to or witnessed. However, even with that, Lit sometimes provides learning moments.

Chilly, I'm not upset with you and I know with absolute certainty that you are speaking from concern. I just wish we could all take more of that to PM's.

 

[pandaburr]

I'll bite.

If you want to know why no one wants to have discussions on issues like race, look no further than your post. There is absolutely no room for discussion in how you write and address people who disagree with you.

People immediately called Jade racist after her comment. Do you genuinely think that she finds one race superior to another? Could you even make room for the possibility of saying, "That word is offensive to me and you probably shouldn't be using it"? No. Instead, she was immediately deemed a racist. There was zero consideration for the possibility that she maybe just used offensive language. Using offensive language and being a racist person are not concentric circles in the venn diagram.

This is why people steer clear of such discussions. Because there is absolutely no room for the possibility of error. Therefore, there is no room for the possibility of learning.

There is a dangerous trend of people using buzzwords like racist or bigot, which ultimately ends any possibility of discussion. Once that word has been used, it's like a mic drop and no one dare speak. I would presume, based on the decisions Jade has made to surround herself with black people in her life, that she probably doesn't find them inferior as a race. That would be a silly conclusion to draw, would it not? However, what so many want to grab onto is language you find offensive and dub the person a racist.

Once again, is your point to show how virtuous you are? Or are you trying to change the behaviours you dislike? How many of you have ever changed your mind on a topic because you are berated and called names?

I presume no one thinks you are blunt or offensive because you are a woman. I think you are dislikable because of your personality and your inability to rationally discuss topics that you claim are important.

As a white guy, I am more than happy to discuss topics of racism in a healthy way. Many people are. But the fear of being labeled a racist makes many shy away from wanting open discussions and prohibits any potential progress one may hope to achieve. Your post only gets your friends to grovel for forgiveness. You've done nothing to better the cause.

It’s not ‘just’ offensive language though. It’s a racial slur and when a person buckles down on their justifications for continuing to use a racial slur, I’m going to call it how I see and hear it. Racism isn’t solely about believing that another race is inferior to you either. Racist acts come in many different forms including the language you use.

Furthermore, it’s not really Diosax job as a Black woman to educate any white person on why it’s not okay to use racial slurs or make them feel comfortable to open up about their ignorance.

 

[pandaburr]

OK, let's stop this for just a moment and break some things down instead of a bunch of us Caucasians being critical of JJ. She has at least one biracial child, her domestic partner is, IIRC, biracial. A significant portion of her friends are persons of color, as are her neighbors, co-workers, and the social settings (clubs) she visits. Plus she is significantly younger than almost all of us, as are her friends. What she and they say or do in their own bubble of existence is their business.

I haven't and I'll never go through the things JJ has experienced, but what I do know is that she is a good-hearted lady and a treasured friend. She, as do many others comes here to Lit to banter, laugh, socialize and have fun. Where do any of us come up with the privilege to correct her, criticize her, or tell her how to speak or otherwise live her life? We don't have any ideal what her peers say to her or think about her. But I'm very certain that if any of them take affront to anything that they perceive to be offensive or racially distasteful then they will tell her.

One of the things I really dislike about Lit is we are too quick to correct someone else on something that's not in our realm of having been subjected to or witnessed. However, even with that, Lit sometimes provides learning moments.

Chilly, I'm not upset with you and I know with absolute certainty that you are speaking from concern. I just wish we could all take more of that to PM's.

I think it’s so funny that you come in here asking where do others get the privilege to come in this thread and call out some hateful and hurtful comments. Nah, privilege is a person getting to make those comments and then having others come in to white knight for her because friendship.

 

[Sundayschild]

I masturbate on Sundays and cry out “oh, God!”

So it's YOU!!!!

 

[Chillygirl]

OK, let's stop this for just a moment and break some things down instead of a bunch of us Caucasians being critical of JJ. She has at least one biracial child, her domestic partner is, IIRC, biracial. A significant portion of her friends are persons of color, as are her neighbors, co-workers, and the social settings (clubs) she visits. Plus she is significantly younger than almost all of us, as are her friends. What she and they say or do in their own bubble of existence is their business.

I haven't and I'll never go through the things JJ has experienced, but what I do know is that she is a good-hearted lady and a treasured friend. She, as do many others comes here to Lit to banter, laugh, socialize and have fun. Where do any of us come up with the privilege to correct her, criticize her, or tell her how to speak or otherwise live her life? We don't have any ideal what her peers say to her or think about her. But I'm very certain that if any of them take affront to anything that they perceive to be offensive or racially distasteful then they will tell her.

One of the things I really dislike about Lit is we are too quick to correct someone else on something that's not in our realm of having been subjected to or witnessed. However, even with that, Lit sometimes provides learning moments.

Chilly, I'm not upset with you and I know with absolute certainty that you are speaking from concern. I just wish we could all take more of that to PM's.

Yet you quoted just me….

And to clarify I’m not saying she’s racist however the word she’s using is.

I am a biracial person. I grew up facing racism from both sides. It was my Korean mother who made sure I was confident in who I am and my race. My daughter is Chinese and in these times of Asian hate it’s my responsibility to make sure my daughter is comfortable and confident in her skin.

Should I call her a chink and tell her to own it? Would you prefer I call myself a halfbreed or gook?

JJ put this info out, she chose to represent herself this way. She’s absolutely free to do that…I found it offensive and distasteful and I decided to say something about it.

 

[Lord Pmann]

It’s not ‘just’ offensive language though. It’s a racial slur and when a person buckles down on their justifications for continuing to use a racial slur, I’m going to call it how I see and hear it. Racism isn’t solely about believing that another race is inferior to you either. Racist acts come in many different forms including the language you use.

Furthermore, it’s not really Diosax job as a Black woman to educate any white person on why it’s not okay to use racial slurs or make them feel comfortable to open up about about their ignorance.

It's not her job as a black woman to make anyone open up. That's correct. But that wasn't my statement, nor did I make any implication of that. My question was whether she wanted to change behaviour or show her virtue. And she did mention how no one wants to have discussion on race, while providing the least friendly environment for doing so.

Again, what Jade said was not intended as a racial slur. Whether it came across that way is another thing. I am not saying the use of the word makes it right or wrong, but intent does absolutely matter when judging a person's overall character.

Do I do stupid things? Yes. Am I stupid person? No.

Actions and individual circumstances do not define a person holistically.

What I find quite laughable is the number of women here condemning the use of a slur, whilst buddying up with Mo Bandy. I believe you are one of them. He repeatedly calls women skanks, whores, cunts, etc. How can you possibly judge Jade for her actions, as you sit by and have someone use misogynistic slurs? Why don't you stand up for women when he calls someone a cunt or a skank? Are you complicit in misogyny? He literally doubled down on his statement about why he resorted calling someone a dumb skank or bitch on this thread, just a couple posts back. So why is that so different? Please explain.

For the record, Mo Bandy should be free to do as he pleases. If we don't like it, we can ignore him. For the most part, he doesn't break forum rules, especially under the less than moderate moderator on the PG these days.

 

[pandaburr]

It's not her job as a black woman to make anyone open up. That's correct. But that wasn't my statement, nor did I make any implication of that. My question was whether she wanted to change behaviour or show her virtue. And she did mention how no one wants to have discussion on race, while providing the least friendly environment for doing so.

Again, what Jade said was not intended as a racial slur. Whether it came across that way is another thing. I am not saying the use of the word makes it right or wrong, but intent does absolutely matter when judging a person's overall character.

Do I do stupid things? Yes. Am I stupid person? No.

Actions and individual circumstances do not define a person holistically.

What I find quite laughable is the number of women here condemning the use of a slur, whilst buddying up with Mo Bandy. I believe you are one of them. He repeatedly calls women skanks, whores, cunts, etc. How can you possibly judge Jade for her actions, as you sit by and have someone use misogynistic slurs? Why don't you stand up for women when he calls someone a cunt or a skank? Are you complicit in misogyny? He literally buckled down on his statement about why he resorted calling someone a dumb skank or bitch on this thread, just a couple posts back. So why is that so different? Please explain.

For the record, Mo Bandy should be free to do as he pleases. If we don't like it, we can ignore him. For the most part, he doesn't break forum rules, especially under the less than moderate moderator on the PG these days.

To clarify, I don’t find offensive language = racial slur. I also equally call men and women skanks, whores, sluts, and cunts so misogynistic? No I don’t make that connection. If you think he hates and discrimates against women cause he calls someone else a dumb skank, you feel free to call him out on that. And as vulgar as that language is, still doesn’t mean it’s a slur.

 

[KinkyLaughs]

Wow, this shit is insanity. wtf is this I use the n word and it’s okay cause i spell it differently, racist bs. I feel like I stepped into the twilight zone.

IKR. I've never felt the need to say the word in ANY context. I don't understand why ANY white person would.

 

[Lord Pmann]

To clarify, I don’t find offensive language = racial slur. I also equally call men and women skanks, whores, sluts, and cunts so misogynistic? No I don’t make that connection. If you think he hates and discrimates against women cause he calls someone else a dumb skank, you feel free to call him out on that. And as vulgar as that language is, still doesn’t mean it’s a slur.

And you genuinely don't see the connection? You don't seem to understand what a slur is. Calling someone a cunt or using the n word can both be used as slurs.

So are you saying offensive language is subjective?

Jade said she used that word for her friends. So she equally uses it. Why is that different than what you say?

I don't personally care what he says. That's his character and people will like it or not. But what is funny to me is watching people make waves about slurs, only to defend it when it's their friend.