yellowstone and missing montana governor

[butters]

so the m-i-a montana governor was vacationing in Italy with his wife. left a day before the waters rose, said he'd be back asap, and was gone almost an entire week as citizens saw homes and bridges washed away, homes devastated by flooding, roads ruined, people evacuating in fear of their lives in the townships surrounding Yellowstone.

shades of cruz, anyone?

 

[butters]

He made headlines when he body-slammed a reporter the day before winning a seat in Congress in a 2017 special election. He initially misled investigators about the attack but eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault.

While Gianforte was away, Montana's lieutenant governor served as acting governor. And in Gianforte's defense, his office said he was briefed regularly about the flooding, which caused widespread damage to small communities in the southern part of the state and had threatened to cut off fresh water to Billings, the state’s largest city.

Gianforte finally returned on Thursday night from what his office said was a vacation with his wife in Italy. But he found himself facing a torrent of criticism for not hurrying home sooner and for not telling the public his whereabouts during the emergency.

“In a moment of unprecedented disaster and economic uncertainty, Gianforte purposefully kept Montanans in the dark about where he was and who was actually in charge,” said Sheila Hogan, executive director of the Montana Democratic Party.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...ning-in-italy-as-yellowstone-flooded/3274886/

 

[Lady2020]

First thing that came to mind: he did a Cruz. Fuckers.

 

[butters]

everyone's entitled to vacation time (except those employees who aren't but ought to be), and it states he left the days before the waters rose... did he not have advisors telling him of the potential situation about to unfold? what sucks so bad is the fact his office wouldn't tell the residents where he actually was, certainly not that he was out of the country, and for him not to fly back to oversee this emergency is beyond the pale. can you imagine arnie doing the same if some shit went down in cali when he was governor there?

 

[Dribble]

Scientists have warned those States of the problem for the last 3 years...watch them beg for Federal money

 

[YDB95]

Now his office is acknowledging where he was? Believe it or not, that's an improvement.

 

[Chernosoth]

Montanans generally don't want government interference. Montana governors may forget they sometimes need to work.

 

[Dribble]

Montanans generally don't want government interference. Montana governors may forget they sometimes need to work.

Montana is far more Progressive than Wyoming. But the communities affected are not Progressive. So fuck them. Let the states pay for their choices

 

[Wrong Element]

This is a little different from Cruz, who conducts himself like someone who has absolutely no worries that anything he says or does might ever cost him his job. Being AWOL might actually have an impact on Gianforte's future. Montana is more Republican than not, but it often elects Democratic governors and has sent Jon Tester to the Senate three times.

 

[Rightguide]

so the m-i-a montana governor was vacationing in Italy with his wife. left a day before the waters rose, said he'd be back asap, and was gone almost an entire week as citizens saw homes and bridges washed away, homes devastated by flooding, roads ruined, people evacuating in fear of their lives in the townships surrounding Yellowstone.

shades of cruz, anyone?

Idiocy. How would he have known this was going to happen, for the first time in recorded history? The proper statewide response and declaration of a state of emergency were initiated by the Lt. Governor who acts for the Governor in his absence as contemplated by the state Constitution.

 

[Dribble]

Yellowstone is Federal Land, where was Biden?

The roads washed out...the towns impacted are not on Federal land. Do some research before showing your ignorance

The only thing that came from Federal land was the snowmelt

 

[Dribble]

GFY

Sucks when you are wrong huh? But hey...what's 50 to 70 miles right? Close enough for hand grenades in the bigger picture. Right?

It is simple....if the Federal Govt asks you to wear masks to help hospital workers...and you refuse....seems only reasonable the same Govt should ask those same towns and states why they chose to ignore NOAA reports saying this was imminent. Why should we bail out their poor choices?

 

[PatientObserver]

Montana is far more Progressive than Wyoming. But the communities affected are not Progressive. So fuck them. Let the states pay for their choices

As a general rule the western portion of Montana is more progressive than eastern Montana. As a resident of the state, I'm not sure what the governor could have or should have done. That he was on a planned vacation isn't really a big deal. There are lots of Big Sky Country residents that will pitch in and help those that need it without any government intervention. That isn't to say that at some point the people's taxes won't be tapped to repair the damage and that a disaster declaration is issued for reduced interest rate loans to those who are most effected. I don't think this is the most important talking point but one of the most serious outcomes of this event will be the loss of tourism dollars...that is going to be be felt by the folks that provide services to the state's visitors.

 

[KeithD]

There's no reason he can't vacation in Italy. The Yellowstone problem arose after he already was in Italy, didn't it? The state has a lieutenant governor to handle contingencies like this in the governor's absence. I don't see the issue here.

 

[butters]

There's no reason he can't vacation in Italy. The Yellowstone problem arose after he already was in Italy, didn't it? The state has a lieutenant governor to handle contingencies like this in the governor's absence. I don't see the issue here.

he left the day before the flood waters rose... did they not understand flooding, bad flooding, was coming? if so, that's a concern. Yes, he's entitled to his holidays, but when something of this major nature happens, you'd think he'd fly back and be a presence for his people asap. Not telling people where he was when they wanted to see him there, on the spot, handling things for them (even if others were strictly doing the handling) is what's caused the real controversy. Why didn't they tell the voters 'oh, he's on holiday in Italy with his wife but it's fine, we're dealing with it'? Because the voters wanted him there, a presence, not away enjoying himself as they dealt with homes and businesses wrecked and huge disruption to their lives.

 

[Dribble]

As a general rule the western portion of Montana is more progressive than eastern Montana. As a resident of the state, I'm not sure what the governor could have or should have done. That he was on a planned vacation isn't really a big deal. There are lots of Big Sky Country residents that will pitch in and help those that need it without any government intervention. That isn't to say that at some point the people's taxes won't be tapped to repair the damage and that a disaster declaration is issued for reduced interest rate loans to those who are most effected. I don't think this is the most important talking point but one of the most serious outcomes of this event will be the loss of tourism dollars...that is going to be be felt by the folks that provide services to the state's visitors.

Figure it out....this will be the new norm

And yes...I lived just outside of Cody for near 6 years...I am very familiar with their short-sided mentality.

With the price of oil per barrel, both states are rolling in money they haven't seen in a long time. Use it

 

[Chobham]

Much ado over nothing.

How many lives have been lost? None.
How much critical infrastructure destroyed. None.

I read a report of a guy that tried to keep his basement from being flooded............and failed. He didn't sound all that upset though. They had to shut down the water treatment plant in Billings for 48 hrs, everyone seemed to survive that though. The MSM seems to be far more concerned than the folks that live out there. Folks that live in remote areas like that tend to be more self-reliant than the average city dweller. Seems their biggest concern is the potential loss of tourist dollars.

I'll give odds that the State of Montana has their shit repaired LONG before the Feds start working on the damage in the park.

 

[Wrong Element]

People in here pretending that there's no history of politicians taking a PR hit for being on an inconvenient vacation when crisis strikes at home are funny.

Hell, there are people in this thread who attacked Biden for going to Camp David — not a vacation — right after Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

People in here pretending that there's no history of politicians taking a PR hit for being on an inconvenient vacation when crisis strikes at home are funny.

Hell, there are people in this thread who attacked Biden for going to Camp David — not a vacation — right after Russia invaded Ukraine.

I'm old enough to remember when Obama took Michelle to a long-planned off-Broadway theater date in NYC and the collective RW obsessively nitpicked every detail under the sun over it as him being derelict in his duties as President.

I'm sure they didn't foresee their omnipresence monster backfiring on them, but we didn't start the fire. They're gonna have to deal with the new optics normal they created. If their leaders get caught on vay-kay while a local disaster is popping off, they gotta cowboy up and get to steppin' back home.

 

[YDB95]

The issue isn't really that he went to Italy. It's that he doesn't seem to have told anyone and even his office didn't officially know where he was for several days.

 

[Chernosoth]

South Carolina gov Mark Sanford was missing while he committed adultery. He survived an impeachment attempt, finished his term, and was later elected to Congress. But Gianforte has more strikes against him, with the flood, his criminal conviction, and Montana's smaller population makes fewer political jobs.

 

[rockcasbah]

Butters has a dozen threads on the front page to feed off the predictable anger they’ll generate from the other angry people here posing as Political junkies.

Hurt people hurt people.

Governors dont control the weather.

Governors aren’t expected to solve every problem instantly by themselves.

A few days of solitude with your wife isn’t a crime.

It’s just another hate thread by a hater.

 

[mayfly13]

Hurt people hurt people.

I want to take this comment in isolation & take butters out of the equation
I didn't either read the thread, nor do I want to focus on her.

But this maxim is gold!

I was often perplexed as to why I sometimes saw exactly the same type of resentment, anger and prejudice from some racist majority members, and some oppressed minority members.
This maxim explains it.
It's also partly because of the wounded narcissism, probably, either the overt one in majorities, or the covert one in minorities.

 

[rockcasbah]

I want to take this comment in isolation & take butters out of the equation
I didn't either read the thread, nor do I want to focus on her.

But this maxim is gold!

I was often perplexed as to why I sometimes saw exactly the same type of resentment, anger and prejudice from some racist majority members, and some oppressed minority members.
This maxim explains it. It's the wounded narcissism, probably, either the overt one in majorities, or the covert one in minorities.

Take something simple like Fathers Day… look at the posters who attacked me.

Do they ever talk about their families?

Why do you think they were so much more visceral yesterday?

 

[mayfly13]

Take something simple like Fathers Day… look at the posters who attacked me.

Do they ever talk about their families?

Why do you think they were so much more visceral yesterday?

they attacked Father's Day too? lol

butters' threads used to annoy me, when she was clogging the Board with 10-15 of them a day, because they are of the Counsellor/SugarDaddy type: lazy CP's, no ideas

But looking now at this thread, true, it's kind of funny:
all of her op's have a similar pattern: are followed by angry or outrage memes from the same followers.