Sniper gun questions and the right to bear arms

[UltraMAGAKing]

The Ukraine does not show the need for guns in the hands of civilians.

Literally the only thing that kept Russia from steam rolling them.......but they don't need that!!

Just like the single mom with 2 kids being beaten and raped to death in front of them HAS NO NEED FOR A 9mm...... cops will be there in 2 hours to fill out paperwork, cuz that's how leftist want things done.

No right to self defense.... this is what you "progressives" want.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No right to self defense.... this is what you "progressives" want.

Ascliption. Again.

*nods*

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

Ascliption. Again.

*nods*

Not at all.... just look at Rittenhouse... the older hicks from MO who dared to defend themselves from a BLM mob.

Look at blue state laws on self defense... they do all they can to protect the violent offenders and punish any victims who try to defend themselves from them.

Just like they do all they can to protect looters, arsonist and thieves'.. and will prosecute the fuckin' shit out of anyone who tries to stop them or defend their property/livelihoods.

The right of anyone to defend themselves and their livelihoods against you and yours absolutely fucking enrages you lunatics.....because it's not ascription.

 

[oneblueye]

"There hasn't been a credible threat to America ... since the Louisiana Purchase."

YOU FUCKING SELF-ENTITLED WHITE GUYS ARE A FUCKN HOOT!!!!
you are a perfect example why you are your own ONLY best friend and WORST of the Worst enemies

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

"There hasn't been a credible threat to America ... since the Louisiana Purchase."

YOU FUCKING SELF-ENTITLED WHITE GUYS ARE A FUCKN HOOT!!!!
you are a perfect example why you are your own ONLY best friend and WORST of the Worst enemies

Racist much?? LOL

 

[oneblueye]

Racist much?? LOL

give as good as I have received over the years...

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

give as good as I have received over the years...

Bitter and hateful grudge holder too.

A true poster child for bigotry.

 

[oneblueye]

Bitter and hateful grudge holder too.

A true poster child for bigotry.

ya give it--, you get it

you fuckn white people started by giving it to me when I was too young to understand --, at you old enough to understand what it is and now making sure all yo chickens coming home to roost ... I'm just giving it all back to ya'all.

(thats why no one can convince me that perpetual motion isn't a real thing)

 

[dmonty]

"There hasn't been a credible threat to America ... since the Louisiana Purchase."

YOU FUCKING SELF-ENTITLED WHITE GUYS ARE A FUCKN HOOT!!!!
you are a perfect example why you are your own ONLY best friend and WORST of the Worst enemies

and yet the Asians colloquially "Roof Top Koreans" using the Korean variant of the AR15 (the Daewoo K1A1 guy in red shirt) stopped their neighborhood from being looted and destroyed when the LAPD refused to defend them - Remember the Police Officers job is to take a report not "to serve and protect" I'll admit it is a good PR Slogan that people think is real, but the there are over 1,000 court cases and over 10 Supreme Court cases saying no its an advertising campaign and they have absolutely no duty to protect you or your community... so it isn't to just defend against foreign invasions, but also to defend against civil unrest.

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[phrodeau]

We all know how false BotanyBoy’s claims are, but that’s the world he chose to live in.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

ya give it--, you get it

Bigotry 101.

you fuckn white people

I'm not white..... see how bigotry makes you look dumb??

started by giving it to me when I was too young to understand --, at you old enough to understand what it is and now making sure all yo chickens coming home to roost ... I'm just giving it all back to ya'all.

No, you're holding a race accountable for the actions of individuals who wronged you. That makes you a racist and a bigot... not any better than the Klansman with the starz n' barz in their pickup window.

Good job.

 

[CuttingEdge]

The Ukraine does not show the need for guns in the hands of civilians. It at best proves the need for a standing military. You'd think that after Georgia they would realize they need to make themselves a harder target than they currently are.

Joe doesn't seem to have made much of a fuss about your precious weapons but comparing you to Ukrainians (None of whom would really qualify as civilians at this point) is just stupid. One group is being attacked by a foreign military and you're sitting at your computer chillin. There hasn't been a credible threat to America. . .honestly since the Loisiana purchase. Certainly nothing you or I have been alive for.

The Founders were not 246 years ahead of their time. That's simply false. The 2nd was actually written for a handful of things but overthrowing the government was not one of them.

First your quote was never attributed to the Emperor, it was one of his Generals who is quoted for this. Nobody can find any evidence that this quote was ever spoken by anybody in Japan anyhow. Given that we nuked Japan instead of either waiting it out which we could have done. We didn't because we feared they would have any weapon they could get their hands on and fight for every inch of their land.

Second and this part is important, the Right needs to just own up that they don't care about gun violence in the US. They simply do not.

Changing the definition of civilians to militia only makes my point more valid.

Stating "the Right needs to just own up that they don't care about gun violence in the US. They simply do not", is silly. It is not a valid argument because it is an oversimplified judgement call, and no more. The reality is, what you believe will reduce violence, goes against what I believe. It does not mean we want two different things, it just means we think the other way will not be effective.

But sadly that is how the gun control side of things works. They cannot make valid points, nor back up with what they say with data, so they reduce their arguments to overstated judgment calls on an entities' moral character.

I can back up my moral character with what I previously said. "When I taught school, I always had my pistol on my (concealed carry) for the safety of my students". You may not agree with how I protected my students, but at least I was prepared to protect them. Biden could pass all the control laws he ever wanted too, and he would still have people protecting him and his family with guns? Why can't I do the same for my family and students?

 

[butters]

I can back up my moral character with what I previously said. "When I taught school, I always had my pistol on my (concealed carry) for the safety of my students". You may not agree with how I protected my students, but at least I was prepared to protect them. Biden could pass all the control laws he ever wanted too, and he would still have people protecting him and his family with guns? Why can't I do the same for my family and students?

question: how long ago were you actively teaching?

and: how do you suppose you'd fare faced with an assailant in body armour using an AR?

 

[phrodeau]

Sure everyone should respect responsible gun owners. And anyone who doesn’t can eat lead.

 

[ll74]

Whenever I see someone carrying a gun and I have my AR-15, I'm always like...." 'sup ?"

 

[CuttingEdge]

question: how long ago were you actively teaching?

and: how do you suppose you'd fare faced with an assailant in body armour using an AR?

To answer your first question: Two years ago

For the second question: That is impossible to say. Anyone that would enter a school to kill school children tend to be cowards. While they may have body armor on, they go to places that are supposed to be gun free for a reason; they fear retaliation. If I was to fire back with my 9mm pistol, they might:

1. Retreat, not expecting return fire
2. Be lethally hit outside of their body armor

Lawful gun owners are ALWAYS on the defensive. We must wait until someone acts first. Because of that, we are always behind the eight ball. But we do have a tool that we can react with. We have seen in Texas and Florida what happens when there is no one armed. It is obvious, the police are not going to save the kids.

 

[ll74]

It's important that we should be reactive rather than proactive. ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[CuttingEdge]

Whenever I see someone carrying a gun and I have my AR-15, I'm always like...." 'sup ?"

Too funny

 

[butters]

To answer your first question: Two years ago

For the second question: That is impossible to say. Anyone that would enter a school to kill school children tend to be cowards. While they may have body armor on, they go to places that are supposed to be gun free for a resson; they fear retaliation. If I was to fire back with my 9mm pistol, they might:

1. Retreat, not expecting return fire
2. Be lethally hit outside of their body armor

Lawful gun owners are ALWAYS on the defensive. We must wait until someone acts first. Because of that, we are always behind the eight ball. But we do have a tool that we can react with. We have seen in Texas and Florida what happens when there is no one armed. It is obvious, the police are not going to save the kids.

Ulvalde: the cops were armed. They didn't go into the classroom for fear of their own lives because they didn't have the kind of body armour necessary to protect them from an assault style rifle

i appreciate your good intentions, but (unless you are an exceptional shot with a calm head) your chances of hitting them outside their protected areas is greatly reduced in such a stressful situation. You might get lucky. The far more likely response is for them to return fire with a far deadlier weapon with a much greater ammo capacity, killing both you and your students. If they run and hide, that means you've lost sight of the threat and it's simply moved to another area and still capable of rendering great harm from there and on the way there. It may provide you with a few precious moments to attempt to move the children, but even that doesn't assure their safety since you won't know where the gunman is and might be shepherding the kids into further danger.

Unless they've been highly trained (beyond your usual 'cop') and most teachers aren't nor would be, a 'good guy with a gun' (pistol/hand gun) just isn't equipped to take on a homicidal fucker intent on killing children, co-workers, spouses, church congregants, regular people going about their everyday lives in shops, in movie theatres, at concerts. It is more a case of a last resort hail mary which has occasionally, though rarely, been answered.

 

[butters]

After mike dewine (ohio) passed the bill, Cincinnati school board passes its own resolution: only Cincinnati Police Dept. officers and other law enforcement are permitted to carry firearms in the city's schools.

The legislation stipulates that school boards can arm employees after they complete 24 hours of training, including 18 hours of general training, two hours of handgun training and two hours of “additional” training for each of those categories.

Previously, employees had to complete 700 hours of peace officer training to carry a gun in schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=64b7983bee184a9bb5d789f587a35bc5

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

After mike dewine (ohio) passed the bill, Cincinnati school board passes its own resolution: only Cincinnati Police Dept. officers and other law enforcement are permitted to carry firearms in the city's schools.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=64b7983bee184a9bb5d789f587a35bc5

The don't want you to be able to defend yourself under any circumstances.

You just have to wait it out and hope for the best.... cops will be in after the psycho has had their fill to fill out their paperwork.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Literally the only thing that kept Russia from steam rolling them.......but they don't need that!!

Just like the single mom with 2 kids being beaten and raped to death in front of them HAS NO NEED FOR A 9mm...... cops will be there in 2 hours to fill out paperwork, cuz that's how leftist want things done.

No right to self defense.... this is what you "progressives" want.

Yeah, that is what kept the Russians from steam rolling them. Not massive support from the EU, UN and US without which they would have folded like a deck of cards. The reality is they should have been doing more to either join some formal alliance or just peacefully rejoin Russia and call it a wonderful life.

Cops getting there in two hours is absurd. The reality however is that the single mom getting beaten and raped to death is this fever dream you think happens. And if she's getting beaten and raped the kid is the one with a gun anyhow. That's certain work out well.

The more dig the less it seems like the founders really thought you had a "Right to defend yourself" in the terms that we use it today. That is a VERY recent cultural shift brought about by fear.

"There hasn't been a credible threat to America ... since the Louisiana Purchase."

YOU FUCKING SELF-ENTITLED WHITE GUYS ARE A FUCKN HOOT!!!!
you are a perfect example why you are your own ONLY best friend and WORST of the Worst enemies

What was the last credible threat to America? When did I wake up white?

Changing the definition of civilians to militia only makes my point more valid.

Stating "the Right needs to just own up that they don't care about gun violence in the US. They simply do not", is silly. It is not a valid argument because it is an oversimplified judgement call, and no more. The reality is, what you believe will reduce violence, goes against what I believe. It does not mean we want two different things, it just means we think the other way will not be effective.

But sadly that is how the gun control side of things works. They cannot make valid points, nor back up with what they say with data, so they reduce their arguments to overstated judgment calls on an entities' moral character.

I can back up my moral character with what I previously said. "When I taught school, I always had my pistol on my (concealed carry) for the safety of my students". You may not agree with how I protected my students, but at least I was prepared to protect them. Biden could pass all the control laws he ever wanted too, and he would still have people protecting him and his family with guns? Why can't I do the same for my family and students?

The fact that I have posted state by state and nation by nation the results of reducing the number of firearms reduces the murder rate and you can't prove anywhere that it doesn't. We do not have a difference in beliefs. We have a difference in facts. I believe that lifeguards prevent drownings and you think its a persons responsibility to know how to swim if they live in a area that has a pool.

I DID BACK IT WITH DATA SEVERAL TIMES.

You are not Joe Biden. That's actually all the answer you need on that absolutely ludicrous front. Joe Biden can launch a drone to take you out on the way to work. Why can't I have one encase the Proud Boys come near my property?

 

[dmonty]

question: how long ago were you actively teaching?

and: how do you suppose you'd fare faced with an assailant in body armour using an AR?

Body Armor is magically bullet proof, it is bullet resistant and it has its weaknesses just like anything else. Most of which it is heavy and many people trade off, protect the vulnerable areas only leaving many other body parts exposed. The trade-off, is that these body armor are good vs bullets, but are weaker against knifes, and sharp objects... they also impact the wearers range of motion/maneuverability

Also the Modern Sporting Rifles "MSR" (an AR is a manufacturer not a gun type, the most famous gun by Armalite the AR-15 was first designed in the late 1940's for civilians only, it was never designed for military usage and started manufacture in the 1950's) are not anymore special than a handgun they are both capable of killing and harming people (the 9mm technically is a larger caliber than the .223). There are entire gun debate threads comparing the handgun vs rifle, caliber, bullet type and composition and stopping power. Many mass shooters have been stopped by a handgun.

The 9 mm handgun round has a larger bullet, but this AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-woman-killed-man-fired-rifle-party-crowd-85002437

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

Yeah, that is what kept the Russians from steam rolling them.

It played a damn big role in it.

It's MUCH harder to conquer and armed populace. Facts.

 

[butters]

the most famous gun by Armalite the AR-15 was first designed in the late 1940's for civilians only

not so:

"AR" comes from the name of the gun's original manufacturer, ArmaLite, Inc. The letters stand for ArmaLite Rifle — and not for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle."

ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it. In 1959 the company sold the design to Colt.

In 1963, the U.S. military selected Colt to manufacture the automatic rifle that soon became standard issue for U.S. troops in the Vietnam War. It was known as the M-16.

Armed with that success, Colt ramped up production of a semiautomatic version of the M-16 that it sold to law enforcement and the public, marketed as the AR-15.

When Colt's patents for the AR-15 expired in the 1970s, other manufacturers began making similar models.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/588861820/a-brief-history-of-the-ar-15

https://time.com/4371452/orlando-shooting-ar-15-military-civilian-family/
inventor's family:

“Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News. “He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events.”

Eugene Stoner, an ex-marine and the rifle’s inventor, never used his AR-15 for sport, kept it for personal defense, or even owned one. His family said he made millions by using his design, but only for military sales.

“After many conversations with him, we feel his intent was that he designed it as a military rifle,” Stoner’s family explained, saying that their father wanted to make the “most efficient and superior rifle possible for the military.”