The Iran Crisis Is Here

[ll74]

Biden managed to piss off the Sunnis and the Shiites. Iran is not only going to get their nukes but they're going to sell oil on the open market and Russia helped. Biden is not solving the nuclear proliferation problem he's making it worse.

Oh fuck off. 45 pissed off Iran because he left the deal.

If we didn't leave the deal, the entire situation would be a huge amount better.

I'm not praising Biden for anything. He hasn't been the best at repairing what 45 fucked up, but 45 fucked it up to begin with.

I'm sorry to tell you, but the deal we had in place was the best we'll ever get. We'll never see anything close to that, regardless of who is in charge.

 

[rockcasbah]

“I'm sorry to tell you, but the deal we had in place was the best we'll ever get.”

What a tool.

 

[ll74]

“I'm sorry to tell you, but the deal we had in place was the best we'll ever get.”

What a tool.

It's true. Why would Iran ever make a deal again with a country who has proven that they won't ever keep their promises? The US lost all leverage towards a deal....

 

[rockcasbah]

It's true. Why would Iran ever make a deal again with a country who has proven that they won't ever keep their promises? The US lost all leverage towards a deal....

“Best deal ever….Its true”

Yes, of course it’s true.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's true. Why would Iran ever make a deal again with a country who has proven that they won't ever keep their promises? The US lost all leverage towards a deal....

Unfortunately Obama and Biden are copying off the playbook used to deny N Korea of nukes. How'd that work out? *The carrot and the stick deal*, Iran is eating the carrots and *HITTING US WITH THE STICK*. SAD

 

[ll74]

“Best deal ever….Its true”

Yes, of course it’s true.

Yes, it is.

 

[jomar]

Biden managed to piss off the Sunnis and the Shiites. Iran is not only going to get their nukes but they're going to sell oil on the open market and Russia helped. Biden is not solving the nuclear proliferation problem he's making it worse.

Huh. I’m not up to date. Please inform me.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Oh fuck off. 45 pissed off Iran because he left the deal.

If we didn't leave the deal, the entire situation would be a huge amount better.

I'm not praising Biden for anything. He hasn't been the best at repairing what 45 fucked up, but 45 fucked it up to begin with.

I'm sorry to tell you, but the deal we had in place was the best we'll ever get. We'll never see anything close to that, regardless of who is in charge.

You called me an idiot.

Let me return the erudite favor: You're delusional; living an alternative reality.

(In other words, you just might be insane,
like the Mullahs of Iran who care about agreements like Hitler did.)

No matter what 45, as you put it, or any other President did short of bombing them,
Iran's theocracy was never going to stop working on its Planet of the Apes Project.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

It's true. Why would Iran ever make a deal again with a country who has proven that they won't ever keep their promises? The US lost all leverage towards a deal....

Why are you such an oikophobe?

You act and post as if Iran were the trustworthy player on the stage
and that your own "evil" country is the prominent pariah of the planet.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Chobham]

Lookie here, a rewriting of history in the making.

Let's start with the Iran deal and the fact that Obama circumvented the Constitution to put it in place. It was, in fact, a multi-party foreign treaty put in place without the advise and consent of the Senate. From a US legal standpoint that "treaty" never existed to begin with and the primary reason that Trump could strike it down with only a few whimpers from the usual suspects.

I was over in Japan shortly after the Clinton deal with N. Korea. We give them food and they stop working on their nukes. Right. The Japanese were astounded that we could be so stupid. The wheat that we were sending them was being off-loaded from the import carriers and loaded on to N. Koreans carriers and sold on the spot market for hard currency. Hard currency they needed to subsidize their nuclear program. Not a single starving N. Korean was unstarved. That information was all over the Japanese press along with hard evidence but it never appeared in our domestic press.

 

[ll74]

Why are you such an oikophobe?

You act and post as if Iran were the trustworthy player on the stage
and that your own "evil" country is the prominent pariah of the planet.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

That's your perception. That's not at all what I'm saying or even eluding to. I don't even believe in the word, "evil"....it's dumb

We negotiated a deal with 6 other people, which took several years and resulted in the best nuclear proliferation pact in history. We had public data of nuclear activity being gathered on the ground with mostly unfettered access to their facilities. We had a large number of mechanisms which we're out in place, specifically because Iran isn't trustworthy, which would easily be engaged if they failed to live up to it.

And then we walked away.

Why would anyone make a compromise like that again when they are unable to trust one of the participants from leaving again? And not just Iran....we were the huge player in the deal....and all 6 parties relied on each other.

45 screwed us on this.

 

[ll74]

You called me an idiot.

Let me return the erudite favor: You're delusional; living an alternative reality.

(In other words, you just might be insane,
like the Mullahs of Iran who care about agreements like Hitler did.)

No matter what 45, as you put it, or any other President did short of bombing them,
Iran's theocracy was never going to stop working on its Planet of the Apes Project.
__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

You are an idiot.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Illy, you should have waited and read the preceding post...
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[icanhelp1]

You called me an idiot.

Let me return the erudite favor: You're delusional; living an alternative reality.

(In other words, you just might be insane,
like the Mullahs of Iran who care about agreements like Hitler did.)

No matter what 45, as you put it, or any other President did short of bombing them,
Iran's theocracy was never going to stop working on its Planet of the Apes Project.
__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

Israelis provided documented and corroborated evidence that Iran was cheating their asses off. The so-called deal did not address terrorist activity or long range missile technology also didn't provide a means to inspect military bases where most covert nuclear activity was taking place. Chobham brought up a very important point, that Obama's deal with Iran was created under false pretenses, even unconstitutional. Unless ratified by the senate in the form of a treaty no president can enforce it. We would have to rely on hearsay testimony, kind of like relying on W.H.O. for COVID-19 info.

 

[ll74]

Israelis provided documented and corroborated evidence that Iran was cheating their asses off. The so-called deal did not address terrorist activity or long range missile technology also didn't provide a means to inspect military bases where most covert nuclear activity was taking place. Chobham brought up a very important point, that Obama's deal with Iran was created under false pretenses, even unconstitutional. Unless ratified by the senate in the form of a treaty no president can enforce it. We would have to rely on hearsay testimony, kind of like relying on W.H.O. for COVID-19 info.

Yep, they provided evidence that was overblown in the news...the US was already gone from the deal, else we could've enacted mechanisms to address that.

And yes, the agreement was not created to address terrorist activity initially, but did leave room to expand the scope over time.

 

[colddiesel]

So, what should American GOP policy be towards Iran? Think carefully, because every US administration since 1954 has stuffed it up to a greater or lesser extent. Right wing opinion in the US seems to only oppose current policy, but is completely devoid of any ideas of their own.

 

[ll74]

So, what should American GOP policy be towards Iran? Think carefully, because every US administration since 1954 has stuffed it up to a greater or lesser extent. Right wing opinion in the US seems to only oppose current policy, but is completely devoid of any ideas of their own.

Based on what I've seen, they just want Israel to bomb Iran why they cheer.

 

[Chernosoth]

So, what should American GOP policy be towards Iran?

Offer a fair price for Iranian oil.

 

[icanhelp1]

So, what should American GOP policy be towards Iran? Think carefully, because every US administration since 1954 has stuffed it up to a greater or lesser extent. Right wing opinion in the US seems to only oppose current policy, but is completely devoid of any ideas of their own.

Lifting sanctions on Iran filled their coffers with cash. Right after Biden lifted sanctions missiles started flying into Israel and Iran oil was allowed onto open markets. Russia has more significant influence in Syria and Iran than ever. This could very well end up in a nuclear arms race in the ME.

 

[ll74]

Lifting sanctions on Iran filled their coffers with cash. Right after Biden lifted sanctions missiles started flying into Israel and Iran oil was allowed onto open markets. Russia has more significant influence in Syria and Iran than ever. This could very well end up in a nuclear arms race in the ME.

Missiles never stopped being shot into Israel, nor did they increase in frequency.

 

[colddiesel]

Lifting sanctions on Iran filled their coffers with cash. Right after Biden lifted sanctions missiles started flying into Israel and Iran oil was allowed onto open markets. Russia has more significant influence in Syria and Iran than ever. This could very well end up in a nuclear arms race in the ME.

So what is your policy? Blaming Biden is not policy at all - merely an attack on your political opponents. What would YOU advocate should be American policy with respect to Iran - you cannot rely on Joe Biden for all your ideas.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Americans love hating on Iran because Israel.

Personally, i think Israel is an inferior ally than the potential relationship with Iran.

( if you had to pick one)

Actually quite a few of us think Israel is far from innocent. Iran would make a grand ally, easilly better than Israel. Which I shall call Narnia and we only protect it because idiots believe Aslam is coming.

Yeah. Very wrong. Not like our "allies" wouldn't stab us in the back
by ignoring sanctions to do business after a lot of noise
about the need for said sanctions.

Fucking accordions.

What we need to do is harken back to our founding and end these foreign entanglements
leave things like the UN and NATO and let our "allies" stand on their own two feet
and teach us how to work diplomacy properly as they have done so
often in the past leading up to such agreements as
WWI and WWII...


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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

World War 1 was essentially a mistake nobody actually wanted and the treaty we signed was basically "Everybody arm up there will be a round 2"

WE can't harken back to our founding and end foreign entanglements. ITs simply not possible. Its frightening that some people think that's even an option in todays world.

The sad truth is Iran slaps Biden in the face while the Saudis kicks Biden in the balls. Biden is an incompetent fool surrounded by a gaggle of incompetent fools.

The sad truth is that Trump and his allies are intentionally and openly sabotaging the United STates and they put us in this fucked up situation.

 

[icanhelp1]

So what is your policy? Blaming Biden is not policy at all - merely an attack on your political opponents. What would YOU advocate should be American policy with respect to Iran - you cannot rely on Joe Biden for all your ideas.

Leaving in place the sanctions from the previous administration, actually putting even more pressure on Iran.

I don't rely on Biden for anything especially foreign policy. Biden is committing national suicide. Talk to me again when gas prices reach 8 bucks a gallon.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Additional sanctions will just encourage them to get the bomb faster. Welcoming them back into polite society drastically reduces the chances of that happening. Gas will almost definitely hit eight bucks a gallon by the middle or end of the summer. Especially if Putin doesn't stop his stupid war.

 

[PaxNurgle]

LETS BE CLEAR HERE:

We had a peace treaty with Iran which prevented them from obtaining nuclear weapons.

One of the two countries pulled out of that treaty. It was NOT Iran.

And Biden was NOT the president at that time.

....and yet, ironically, you want to blame Iran's nuclear ambitions on...Biden.


Sort of like blaming...Obama, for the millions of Covid deaths in 2020-2022 (oops, I spoke too soon, because you'll probably come up with some twisted logic to do just that.)