Sniper gun questions and the right to bear arms

[SissySalina]

You know this is nut's right? there is no reason to carry a gun around loaded and ready to go. Even in a house, gun's should be in a locked gun safe. I saw a guy from the gun lobby explaining that you need an AR15 assault rifle to shoot raccoons before they get to the hen house or some shit. They used to shoot them with muskets and did a pretty good job at the time. No one outside the military needs this kind of gun and no one who is sane needs to have a gun the same day as they want to purchase it. Waiting a few weeks would be fine for anyone who doesn't want to kill nineteen kids at a school. The laws changed in Australia after a mass shooting years ago and I still have my bolt-action rifles, I just have to wait thirty days to pick them up after I buy them, no big deal because I'm not a criminal or want to kill kids with them. You guys driving around the streets with handguns in your cars are causing the police to treat every pullover like it's a potential shootout and have their guns drawn and fingers on the trigger. after that, anything could happen and often does in your country. But you can't take the guns off people sitting in their apartments inside US cities that have never seen a raccoon in their lives, No they have the right to bear arms. You never know when you might need that gun. Or when your kids might find and blow their own heads off.

You are a strange bunch in the US.

Yes the US is a strange bunch but everybody still wants to come here. Maybe that's what makes America, the strange bunch.

 

[stickygirl]

Twenty year old threads... Jeez the new Lit format is working so well. Most of the original posters are now dead

 

[rockcasbah]

Twenty year old threads... Jeez the new Lit format is working so well. Most of the original posters are now dead

“Never read anything written by a dead author!”

ahahaha!

 

[oneblueye]

for some reason people seem to think that there is no way or very few ways to obtain a gun (defined here as any weapon defined by the federal explanation or description.) That somehow they will magical be able d to be track and CATCH THOSE BAD GUYS. How? By some Star Trek technology that que's in on 'illegally obtained firearms' ?
Just because you make it harder for law abiding people to get them DOESN'T mean criminals can't get them when ever they want. And JUST BECAUSE the law abiding citizen doesn't have them anymore the criminals just turn their talents toward stealing them FROM THE MILITARY.

If people want or rather NEED to regulate something lets regulate these people who has a propensity for using guns for illegal acts---, for starters lets go back to public executions for these mass killing freaks, regardless of the age of the offender.
No last request, no last cigarette and NO FUCKN BLINGFOLD!
Let him that motherfucker see it coming for him and load ALL those rifles in a firing squad, not just one.

 

[oneblueye]

Twenty year old threads... Jeez the new Lit format is working so well. Most of the original posters are now dead

not by a long shot baby

 

[darkmind222]

for some reason people seem to think that there is no way or very few ways to obtain a gun (defined here as any weapon defined by the federal explanation or description.) That somehow they will magical be able d to be track and CATCH THOSE BAD GUYS. How? By some Star Trek technology that que's in on 'illegally obtained firearms' ?
Just because you make it harder for law abiding people to get them DOESN'T mean criminals can't get them when ever they want. And JUST BECAUSE the law abiding citizen doesn't have them anymore the criminals just turn their talents toward stealing them FROM THE MILITARY.

If people want or rather NEED to regulate something lets regulate these people who has a propensity for using guns for illegal acts---, for starters lets go back to public executions for these mass killing freaks, regardless of the age of the offender.
No last request, no last cigarette and NO FUCKN BLINGFOLD!
Let him that motherfucker see it coming for him and load ALL those rifles in a firing squad, not just one.

in Australia where it is much harder to own a gun, not impossible, I have two. the price of a black-market handgun is about $25000 US. What do you think it would cost in the USA where everyone has a handgun. Restricting the guns would take guns out of the market and make it harder for nutcases to get their hands on them. We haven't had a mass shooting in twenty years and we have plenty of guns. It takes a month to get a license and a month for each gun you want.

 

[oneblueye]

in Australia where it is much harder to own a gun, not impossible, I have two. the price of a black-market handgun is about $25000 US. What do you think it would cost in the USA where everyone has a handgun. Restricting the guns would take guns out of the market and make it harder for nutcases to get their hands on them. We haven't had a mass shooting in twenty years and we have plenty of guns. It takes a month to get a license and a month for each gun you want.

the whole point of what I said was that you can legislate and restrict all you want or think that the public can stand it won't make a flippin bit of difference to a person who NEEDS to get a gun and do harm to another person. There are so many military personnel just like anyone else needing to make more than they have or will be able to get so they make money stealing weapons or arranging with others to steal weapons. And like I said if you stop the sale of of just one thing, you've effectively crippled the entire industry.
I'm glad ya' all waaaaaay down south ain't had no mass shooting like we have experienced here, hooray for you, lay down scratch your ankles and sleep tight baby. You safe eh?!

 

[LittleSwitchy]

I don’t know if I should even get into this discussion. The original post is filled with holes, misinformation, no knowledge of existing laws.
Let alone is the topic federal, state,local laws? Some areas of the country are way more strict than others. But tbh. EVERY legally obtained firearm is registered.

 

[Rightguide]

I won't argue with anybody's constitutional right to bear arms but I'm still quite confused why anybody would need to own a military style gun? Beyond the obvious reasons of for killing human beings.

Recall the reason for the Militia as described in the Constitution. Recall the SCOTUS ruled the sawed off shotgun was illegal because it had no military utility, Recall The founding fathers left in the hands of the people sufficient weapons technology to defeat the British Army. Recall those weapons were brought to the battlefield by citizen-soldiers. American revolutionaries who fought the British had the same weapons technology as their enemy.

 

[butters]

Yes the US is a strange bunch but everybody still wants to come here. Maybe that's what makes America, the strange bunch.

americans have been spoonfed this from birth. it's not actually true.

 

[butters]

will someone who believes everyone should own a gun because it'd make America safer (the more guns, the safer we are theory) please explain this to me: if more guns=a safer country, why is America top of the world for rates of gun deaths/violence? the country's awash with them.

 

[Rightguide]

will someone who believes everyone should own a gun because it'd make America safer (the more guns, the safer we are theory) please explain this to me: if more guns=a safer country, why is America top of the world for rates of gun deaths/violence? the country's awash with them.

Over half are suicides.

 

[phrodeau]

Bushmaster is a fitting name for their penis substitutes.

 

[HisArpy]

will someone who believes everyone should own a gun because it'd make America safer (the more guns, the safer we are theory) please explain this to me: if more guns=a safer country, why is America top of the world for rates of gun deaths/violence? the country's awash with them.

Do you want a truthful explanation or just need a reason to vent your political talking point again?

I ask because I can actually tell you what you want to know. Spoiler alert: you won't like the answer.

 

[Rightguide]

Any of a vast number of accurate hunting rifles on the market could be classified as "sniper rifles."

 

[HisArpy]

I don’t know if I should even get into this discussion. The original post is filled with holes, misinformation, no knowledge of existing laws.
Let alone is the topic federal, state,local laws? Some areas of the country are way more strict than others. But tbh. EVERY legally obtained firearm is registered.

Not "every" legally obtained firearm. At one point it was legal to buy guns without anyone giving you permission to do it. Until the Gun Control Act was signed into law, guns didn't even need to have serial numbers on them.

 

[CuttingEdge]

I own several AR-15's, and for very good reason. As a farmer, when coyotes or other predators are going after my livestock, I need a rifle that is high powered, shoots a low-priced round, and pumps many out at a time because predators are often running, and I don't have the time to reload.

It also caused an intruder at 2 AM to reconsider. It should, an AR-15 is an excellent rifle for home defense. It has little recoil, has many different types of rounds that can be used with it like soft-lead, armor-piercing or tracers; all can be ideal for defending against intruders. Unlike a shotgun, my daughter can shoot it without fear of recoil, and with it holding many rounds, should she miss, she would have plenty of tries because she has plenty more where the first one came from. All this means, whether I am home or not, she can defend our livestock from predators or intruders simply by putting the red dot scope at something she wants to kill.

The AR-15 is a very versatile rifle, and why the US Military uses it.

It is the same for my "sniper" rifle which is accurate to a mile (not an AR-15). Predators are very wary, so to be lethal at long-range is very important to me. So is having little kick so my daughters can use it, having a flat trajectory, and plenty of punch when the round hits the predator.

A 9mm handgun? There was an attempted abduction of a 9 year old girl at my local Walmart. I am never without my 9mm because it makes my girlfriend and daughters feel safe. When I taught school, I always had my pistol on my (concealed carry) for teh safety of my students.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

will someone who believes everyone should own a gun because it'd make America safer (the more guns, the safer we are theory) please explain this to me: if more guns=a safer country, why is America top of the world for rates of gun deaths/violence? the country's awash with them.

It's actually not.

There are far far more violent nations on this planet than the USA.

You fucking retard.

 

[dmonty]

in Australia where it is much harder to own a gun, not impossible, I have two. the price of a black-market handgun is about $25000 US. What do you think it would cost in the USA where everyone has a handgun. Restricting the guns would take guns out of the market and make it harder for nutcases to get their hands on them. We haven't had a mass shooting in twenty years and we have plenty of guns. It takes a month to get a license and a month for each gun you want.

Australia has had mass shootings since Port Arthur (1996), many in fact....

Monash University shooting (2002)
Oakhampton Heights Shooting (2005)
2011 Hectorville siege (2011)
2014 Sydney hostage crisis (2014)
Osmington shooting(2018)
2019 Darwin shooting (2019)
Melbourne nightclub shooting (2019)

Regardless, ultimately multiple independent research has looked at the Australian citizen disarmament laws - all have been found to be ineffective at stopping or reducing violent crime, or significantly reducing murder, suicide rates.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-firearms-agreement.html
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...ol-measures-are-ineffective-gun-control-p-260

most recent research from 2018
https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-australias-gun-laws-reduced-gun-homicides/
https://mises.org/power-market/why-gun-control-doesnt-explain-australias-low-homicide-rates


also missing is the context of other crimes (not just homicide by firearms), as other violent crimes such as armed robbery and rape significantly increased (2 such scenarios where an armed citizens may have used a gun to defend themselves)

 

[Chobham]

I wonder how many people read through this thread from the beginning? And if they did if they noticed anything different?

 

[Sean Renaud]

for some reason people seem to think that there is no way or very few ways to obtain a gun (defined here as any weapon defined by the federal explanation or description.) That somehow they will magical be able d to be track and CATCH THOSE BAD GUYS. How? By some Star Trek technology that que's in on 'illegally obtained firearms' ?
Just because you make it harder for law abiding people to get them DOESN'T mean criminals can't get them when ever they want. And JUST BECAUSE the law abiding citizen doesn't have them anymore the criminals just turn their talents toward stealing them FROM THE MILITARY.

If people want or rather NEED to regulate something lets regulate these people who has a propensity for using guns for illegal acts---, for starters lets go back to public executions for these mass killing freaks, regardless of the age of the offender.
No last request, no last cigarette and NO FUCKN BLINGFOLD!
Let him that motherfucker see it coming for him and load ALL those rifles in a firing squad, not just one.

Because it does essentially work like "magic" and has in the past. Its not even that complicated. The harder something is to obtain legally the harder it will be to obtain one illegally. Additionally guns like all weapons cause escalations of force. If I can be reasonably certain that you don't have a firearm my need for one decreases.

If getting illegal arms was as easy as the Right tries to pretend it is why do you NEVER even in the 80s and 90s have cases with grenades being used? Surely a drive by where you chuck one or two into a backyard BBQ would be worth the money. And they shouldn't be but so hard to obtain. In basic training we got to throw a grenade. Then the instructors found anybody interested to keep throwing till they were out. This was done specifically because in the past people HAD been selling them off.

Recall the reason for the Militia as described in the Constitution. Recall the SCOTUS ruled the sawed off shotgun was illegal because it had no military utility, Recall The founding fathers left in the hands of the people sufficient weapons technology to defeat the British Army. Recall those weapons were brought to the battlefield by citizen-soldiers. American revolutionaries who fought the British had the same weapons technology as their enemy.

That was a poor decision by the SCOTUS. IT really is that simple. Article 8 Section twelve of the Constitution defines the Militia and what its purpose was. IT reads as follows
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Offi cers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"

The second forgot to capitalize the word but the Militia was a defacto part of the government and was meant specifically to repel invasions, put down insurrections, keep slaves in check.

Taken in context which should always be done when looking at these sorts of things the 2nd wasn't written so just any idiot can run around with a gun. It was written so the United STates would have a "military" without having a standing army. As cited above it was SPECIFICALLY to put DOWN insurrections. As plenty of have stated never in the history of ever have the founders of a nation armed its citizens against it.

Today we have a standing military as disbanding it after each war was stupid as hell and always left us unprepared when the next conflict came rendering the Militia obsolete.

It's actually not.

There are far far more violent nations on this planet than the USA.

You fucking retard.

Nope, we are the top of the list. This is more of your standard edition lies. We both know when we speak of The World we mean industrialized nations. Nobody is talking about Nigoragua or Zimabwe. We are BARELY talking about Mexico and that's mostly a curtesy.

 

[phrodeau]

It seems like the right-wingers want their guns so that they can form militias to overthrow the elections they lose.

 

[CuttingEdge]

I think the conflict in Ukraine shows he need for guns in the hands of civilians. It just seems our forefathers were just 246 years ahead of their time. Funny how Joe Biden wants to take my lawfully purchased AR-15's and AK-47's, but will use my taxpayer money to buy them for Ukrainian civilians.

A person cannot prove what did not happen which makes proving guns are so beneficial difficult, but the Japanese emperor stated they could not wage a war on United States soil because, "behind every blade of grass is a gun".

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think the conflict in Ukraine shows he need for guns in the hands of civilians. It just seems our forefathers were just 246 years ahead of their time. Funny how Joe Biden wants to take my lawfully purchased AR-15's and AK-47's, but will use my taxpayer money to buy them for Ukrainian civilians.

A person cannot prove what did not happen which makes proving guns are so beneficial difficult, but the Japanese emperor stated they could not wage a war on United States soil because, "behind every blade of grass is a gun".

The Ukraine does not show the need for guns in the hands of civilians. It at best proves the need for a standing military. You'd think that after Georgia they would realize they need to make themselves a harder target than they currently are.

Joe doesn't seem to have made much of a fuss about your precious weapons but comparing you to Ukrainians (None of whom would really qualify as civilians at this point) is just stupid. One group is being attacked by a foreign military and you're sitting at your computer chillin. There hasn't been a credible threat to America. . .honestly since the Loisiana purchase. Certainly nothing you or I have been alive for.

The Founders were not 246 years ahead of their time. That's simply false. The 2nd was actually written for a handful of things but overthrowing the government was not one of them.

First your quote was never attributed to the Emperor, it was one of his Generals who is quoted for this. Nobody can find any evidence that this quote was ever spoken by anybody in Japan anyhow. Given that we nuked Japan instead of either waiting it out which we could have done. We didn't because we feared they would have any weapon they could get their hands on and fight for every inch of their land.

Second and this part is important, the Right needs to just own up that they don't care about gun violence in the US. They simply do not.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

Nope, we are the top of the list.

Didn't even make the top 20.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262963/ranking-the-20-countries-with-the-most-murders-per-100-000-inhabitants/#:~:text=El Salvador saw a murder,of crime worldwide in 2022.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-violent-countries

This is more of your standard edition lies.

The only liars here are you and the dumb broad from across the pond claiming the USA is the most violent nation on the planet.....which isn't even remotely true.

We both know when we speak of The World we mean industrialized nations.

No, you said the world.

Pulling out new qualifiers well after catching a bakchand for saying something so fucking STUPID is called "Goalpost moving"

That makes you two the fuckin' liars.

Nobody is talking about Nigoragua or Zimabwe. We are BARELY talking about Mexico and that's mostly a curtesy.

Then you should have been more careful with your words and put your qualifiers in before you look like idiots claiming the US is the most violent nation in the world.

Because you both were talking about Nicaragua and Zimbabwe and Somalia and Iraq and Afghanistan.

They are on this planet and part of this world.

Words mean things you dishonesty notwithstanding of course.