Question: What did people feed their kids ....

[jaF0]

.... before commercialized, factory processed 'formula' was available?

And why can't they do that now? Why do they have to buy stuff in cans they have to throw away? Why do they have to rely on buying stuff they might not be able to get for a variety of reasons? Why is it somebody else's fault when they can't feed their kids?

 

[oggbashan]

Powdered milk - yeuck!

 

[KeithD]

.... before commercialized, factory processed 'formula' was available?

And why can't they do that now? Why do they have to buy stuff in cans they have to throw away? Why do they have to rely on buying stuff they might not be able to get for a variety of reasons? Why is it somebody else's fault when they can't feed their kids?

Most of those kids didn't survive the issue.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Are you saying you and Ogg (and most other people over 60) didn't survive?

 

[Comshaw]

.... before commercialized, factory processed 'formula' was available?

And why can't they do that now? Why do they have to buy stuff in cans they have to throw away? Why do they have to rely on buying stuff they might not be able to get for a variety of reasons? Why is it somebody else's fault when they can't feed their kids?

They don't. Studies have shown over and over that breast-fed babies put on more weight faster, have healthier immune systems, and are more active than formula fed babies. It has also been found to be good for the mothers. Americans have been sold the bullshit bill of goods that you must have and feed infants on formula.

Comshaw

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

If a person couldn't breast feed they used milk in one form or another. As previously stated, the mortality rate was also much higher. We aren't made for cow milk amd not all babies can breast feed and not all women can lactate. It's pretty basic history and biology and not much excuse for not knowing it.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

They don't. Studies have shown over and over that breast-fed babies put on more weight faster, have healthier immune systems, and are more active than formula fed babies. It has also been found to be good for the mothers. Americans have been sold the bullshit bill of goods that you must have and feed infants on formula.

Comshaw

That's not true. Americans are told breast milk is best. That they don't use it has many reasons but not because they are told formula is better or as good.
Every can of formua literally says breast milk is best.

 

[Rightguide]

.... before commercialized, factory processed 'formula' was available?

And why can't they do that now? Why do they have to buy stuff in cans they have to throw away? Why do they have to rely on buying stuff they might not be able to get for a variety of reasons? Why is it somebody else's fault when they can't feed their kids?

Here ya go: https://solidstarts.com/baby-led-weaning/history-of-baby-food/

 

[Comshaw]

That's not true. Americans are told breast milk is best. That they don't use it has many reasons but not because they are told formula is better or as good.
Every can of formua literally says breast milk is best.

That may be true, but you need to go look at some advertising by the manufacturers. As in many things, they don't have to say it outright. Advertising has come a long way. Subliminal advertising at its best. And as far as "every can of formula literally says breast milk is the best", here's a picture of a label for one brand. Please point out where that is on the label.

https://babyaccesorios.com/food-and...e-non-gmo-powder-infant-formula-makes-54-4-oz

I couldn't find it. Perhaps I missed it because it was in legal sized print on the back (teeny tiny), at the bottom, buried under some other legalese? Be that as it may, read the label. Notice anything? Like how wonderful the product is and how much it will do for your baby? Like I said, they don't have to say it outright to get people to believe it.

Yeah.

Comshaw

 

[jaF0]

It's like diapers. I have a feeling if there was a disposable diaper shortage, people would be up to their ears in baby poo not knowing what to do. They wouldn't even think about cloth diapers, or washing them or calling a service.

People have gotten stupid.

 

[icanhelp1]

They don't. Studies have shown over and over that breast-fed babies put on more weight faster, have healthier immune systems, and are more active than formula fed babies. It has also been found to be good for the mothers. Americans have been sold the bullshit bill of goods that you must have and feed infants on formula.

Comshaw

I don’t know of any pediatricians that advises a mother against breast feeding unless there is a medical complication.

 

[KeithD]

^^^ Are you saying you and Ogg (and most other people over 60) didn't survive?

No, of course not. Absolutely needing baby formula is a specified need for a minority of children. When I was born, those who couldn't survive without much of what is available to bolster them, simply didn't survive. Like most, I went directly from breast milk to whole milk. That was a different world then, both in survivability and in toxins attacking children's bodies--and in what is now in whole milk, for that matter.

 

[butters]

It's like diapers. I have a feeling if there was a disposable diaper shortage, people would be up to their ears in baby poo not knowing what to do. They wouldn't even think about cloth diapers, or washing them or calling a service.

People have gotten stupid.

there's a reason why it's mainly mothers who change nappies and feed babies, even if that's changed a lot over the past 20 years. it's about convenience.

if both, or the lone parent is working full-time in order to provide a roof over the head of their children, there's less time for breast feeding and washing cloth nappies. Those same nappies used to be done by hand in big old pans of boiling water having once been emptied of the worst of the solids and soaked for a day or so. Now, they can still be emptied then tossed in a washing machine. Any guesses who that would mainly come down to 90% of the time? Women.

As for breastfeeding, it can be uncomfortable & stressful but most can breastfeed and it normally is just as good if not better than formula: in the first few weeks important immunities can be passed on to the baby. When you're faced with needing to return to work, expressing milk for your child and putting up with bra 'leak pads' and smelling like a weetabix puppy all day can be too much trouble if formula milk's easily available. The most common solution applied is breastfeeding for the first few weeks/months then using formula to allow the parent to return to earning a wage.

also, if you've been feeding your baby formula milk your own breast milk will have stopped and so it's not an option to suddenly hoik out a tit and say 'get you some'

 

[oggbashan]

^^^ Are you saying you and Ogg (and most other people over 60) didn't survive?

I was born during WW2 and rationing. If a mother couldn't breastfeed that was a disaster, not as bad as it would have been 50 years before, but difficult. Vitamin enhanced powdered milk was available for newborns either as a supplement or instead of breast milk. Otherwise, a wet nurse - a woman who has had her baby and has spare breast milk, would be used if available.

50 years before me, infant mortality in the early months was terrible. Both my parents were from families of twelve children but for each family, seven children died before the age of one. Feeding bottles were available from the mid 19th century and used warmed cow's milk, but the hygiene and even the diseases in the cow's milk could kill.

 

[Comshaw]

there's a reason why it's mainly mothers who change nappies and feed babies, even if that's changed a lot over the past 20 years. it's about convenience.

if both, or the lone parent is working full-time in order to provide a roof over the head of their children, there's less time for breast feeding and washing cloth nappies. Those same nappies used to be done by hand in big old pans of boiling water having once been emptied of the worst of the solids and soaked for a day or so. Now, they can still be emptied then tossed in a washing machine. Any guesses who that would mainly come down to 90% of the time? Women.

As for breastfeeding, it can be uncomfortable & stressful but most can breastfeed and it normally is just as good if not better than formula: in the first few weeks important immunities can be passed on to the baby. When you're faced with needing to return to work, expressing milk for your child and putting up with bra 'leak pads' and smelling like a weetabix puppy all day can be too much trouble if formula milk's easily available. The most common solution applied is breastfeeding for the first few weeks/months then using formula to allow the parent to return to earning a wage.

also, if you've been feeding your baby formula milk your own breast milk will have stopped and so it's not an option to suddenly hoik out a tit and say 'get you some'

Back when my kids were born (the late 70's) My wife breastfed both and we used cloth diapers. I changed as many as she did AND helped wash them. I still remember the smell of that diaper pail (where we put them to soak after rinsing out the solids) when I pulled up the lid to drop in another one. I will admit, even with two parents, it was difficult to keep up with. I can't imagine how a single parent without family support can do it alone.

Comshaw

 

[butters]

Back when my kids were born (the late 70's) My wife breastfed both and we used cloth diapers. I changed as many as she did AND helped wash them. I still remember the smell of that diaper pail (where we put them to soak after rinsing out the solids) when I pulled up the lid to drop in another one. I will admit, even with two parents, it was difficult to keep up with. I can't imagine how a single parent without family support can do it alone.

Comshaw

good man! you are more the exception than the rule and i applaud you taking on your share.

 

[phrodeau]

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[oggbashan]

British WW2 National Dried Milk

https://www.cooksinfo.com/national-...k. It,to children at a time of milk rationing.

https://www.cooksinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/national-dried-milk.jpg

 

[mayfly13]

If a person couldn't breast feed they used milk in one form or another. As previously stated, the mortality rate was also much higher. We aren't made for cow milk amd not all babies can breast feed and not all women can lactate.

That's not true. Americans are told breast milk is best. That they don't use it has many reasons but not because they are told formula is better or as good.
Every can of formua literally says breast milk is best.

^^^
To me, these seem to be the most accurate.

That may be true, but you need to go look at some advertising by the manufacturers. As in many things, they don't have to say it outright. Advertising has come a long way. Subliminal advertising at its best.

True in general, but I don't think that it works as much with mothers, who become more critical and careful once they give birth.

Like Bigs already alluded to: what prevents so many new mothers from breastfeeding nowadays, that it had become a national problem?

Are they on anti-depressants (as so many 1st world people are) thus reluctant to breastfeed - a reflection of the declining mental health of the neoliberal subject?
More moms with low milk supply?


The incidence of autism has increased as well in the last 30 years, in 1st world countries.

 

[jaF0]

Shaddup FishFly.

 

[pecksniff]

The incidence of autism has increased as well in the last 30 years, in 1st world countries.

Are you suggesting baby formula causes autism?

 

[nowisthetime]

Powdered milk - yeuck!

Mmm, I love powdered milk!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I hate how poorly we teach relevant history in this country and in the world in general.

 

[pecksniff]

Look, the solution is obvious: Turn all the babies into vampires.

 

[icanhelp1]

Back when my kids were born (the late 70's) My wife breastfed both and we used cloth diapers. I changed as many as she did AND helped wash them. I still remember the smell of that diaper pail (where we put them to soak after rinsing out the solids) when I pulled up the lid to drop in another one. I will admit, even with two parents, it was difficult to keep up with. I can't imagine how a single parent without family support can do it alone.

Comshaw

Had the same experience, cloth diaper, soaking them. Then we had a diaper service, we traded soiled ones for clean ones.