Is Biden Taking Us To War With Russia?

Only in that we would dispatch our own spies to kill the source. We wouldn't go to war over it.
We will go to war over it if and when Putin decides to strike our supply efforts and those of NATO itself, like in Poland for instance. The people who are going to stop him are more than likely going to be the Russians themselves.
 
We will go to war over it if and when Putin decides to strike our supply efforts and those of NATO itself, like in Poland for instance. The people who are going to stop him are more than likely going to be the Russians themselves.
Well, you can't make a revolution or a coup out of popular discontent alone. There has to be some organized faction that leads it. The Bolsheviks got control of Russia because they were prepared to step in and take over when a moment of government weakness arose.
 
Everything in the electromagnetic spectrum is fair game -- anyone can listen in. If Russia had similar capabilities and were using them, we would not treat that as a casus belli.
Nobody has our level of capability to "listen in." That capability is way beyond the understanding of the average person. It has to be driving Putin farther out of his mind than he has himself. In addition to the above, you don't understand military priorities. The first thing we did in the Iraq war was to shut down all electronic communication between Saddam and his commanders in the field. Every electronic emission was a target. The same was true in WWII. Communication and supply are the primary targets in war. In Ukraine, we are the main source of hostile intelligence and supply. All I'm saying is, we have to be ready for it when Putin finally figures out what to do about it. What can he do about it right now, I don't know. Maybe we'll find out today after his big speech and parade.
 
It's amazing the Russians are even going forward with a "Victory Day" parade under present circumstances.
 
Nobody has our level of capability to "listen in." That capability is way beyond the understanding of the average person. It has to be driving Putin farther out of his mind than he has himself. In addition to the above, you don't understand military priorities. The first thing we did in the Iraq war was to shut down all electronic communication between Saddam and his commanders in the field. Every electronic emission was a target. The same was true in WWII. Communication and supply are the primary targets in war. In Ukraine, we are the main source of hostile intelligence and supply. All I'm saying is, we have to be ready for it when Putin finally figures out what to do about it. What can he do about it right now, I don't know. Maybe we'll find out today after his big speech and parade.
How well did that strategy work in Iraq?
 
It's all about OPSEC. People can't keep their mouth shut starting with the actual breakdown of weapons inventory by noun nomenclature to delivery dates., Nancy Pelosi acting as SoS guaranteeing the US is in it till victory. Just plain ole incompetence. The US and NATO should be pushing for a settlement of some sort. If Putin sees all this as a no win situation and an existential threat we could see mushrooms breaking out all over the place.
The other element to all of this is the Russian people, a majority of whom are behind Putin's effort. Obviously because the facts of what is happening in Ukraine are being withheld from them. The Genesis of our involvement in WWII came about largely because of our military support of Britain which in the fair mind was a violation of our neutrality, not that it was wrong, but that it was a logical result. The Tripartite Pact signed in Berlin 1940 was designed to deter our support of Britain.
 
Putin being an ex-KGB intelligence officer and card-carrying Communist is a old hardliner. He still believes Russia can win a nuclear war. What the fool doesn't realize is that affect all the nuclear weapons are used up, our oceans, rivers, streams and ponds will be poisoned, all soil will be radioactive for at least 57 years, that no animal and most people would be dead. Those who survived would run out of food and water and die slowly from radioactive poisoning. Putin is just stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack. Putin is the World's second Adoplh Hitler.
 
It's amazing the Russians are even going forward with a "Victory Day" parade under present circumstances.
It's obvious they feel they have succeeded in controlling the narrative inside Russia to an extent that allows them to pull it off with a straight face.
 
How well did that strategy work in Iraq?
So well we had to actually tell the grunts to slow the fuck down because they were rolling them faster than we could keep up. The war in Iraq was incredibly short.
 
So well we had to actually tell the grunts to slow the fuck down because they were rolling them faster than we could keep up. The war in Iraq was incredibly short.
But, as it turns out, sometimes it is much easier to conquer a country than to rule it.
 
This is true, but the Iraqi army was really eager to surrender. I should know, I was there. What took forever was the insurgents and I don't think we were ever really going to win that. Removing Saddam from power was a problem. Disbanding his military so there was nobody ready to step up was a bigger one. You would think that given how long we've been interacting with Iraq we'd have a firm enough grasp on the culture to see why this wasn't going to be a winning plan.
 
The other element to all of this is the Russian people, a majority of whom are behind Putin's effort. Obviously because the facts of what is happening in Ukraine are being withheld from them. The Genesis of our involvement in WWII came about largely because of our military support of Britain which in the fair mind was a violation of our neutrality, not that it was wrong, but that it was a logical result. The Tripartite Pact signed in Berlin 1940 was designed to deter our support of Britain.
Yah, getting the truth to the Russian people is a delima.
 
First, it was open secret. Everyone knew US does exactly that. Oh well, at first they didn't, they waited a bit for Ukraine to clean house a bit, then trickle a bit more gradually. And yes, it was already pretty much announced well before those articles. But printing it like that in what's perceived as almost semi-official, that's somewhat of a different level. And I believe it was done intentionally. For exactly the reaction it got from Russia: display as irrelevant at first, not anything like escalation, despite some late random rants.

And that's exactly what must be done. Russia should be ridiculed, humiliated, and ignored any chance there is.

Putin is a bully, and as most bullies he's a coward. He's also a paranoiac suffering from accurate indecisiveness. He won't pick a fight with NATO as long he will believe he can win, and he will believe that long after his defeat will be obvious, because he lives in his own world. When he finally believes in defeat, he might try to save his own power by justifying his defeat as defeat to NATO instead, but he doesn't even need to explicitly pick a fight (even less nuclear) to declare that's the case. Actually, they already work on that angle a lot (because the propagandists see the defeat already).
 
Well, you can't make a revolution or a coup out of popular discontent alone. There has to be some organized faction that leads it. The Bolsheviks got control of Russia because they were prepared to step in and take over when a moment of government weakness arose.
I think it might very well be his top people who throw him out if it happens. The people themselves by and large are ignorant of what is really happening in Ukraine, but that is changing.
 
I think it might very well be his top people who throw him out if it happens. The people themselves by and large are ignorant of what is really happening in Ukraine, but that is changing.
A lot of Russian civilians have relatives in the army who can tell them the true story.

Whether they will believe their relatives over the state media is another question.
 
A lot of Russian civilians have relatives in the army who can tell them the true story.

Whether they will believe their relatives over the state media is another question.

There have been reports of meaningful family tension over this, with Russians not belieiving relatives in Ukraine and elsewhere.
 
A lot of Russian civilians have relatives in the army who can tell them the true story.

Whether they will believe their relatives over the state media is another question.
20,000 wooden coffins and three times that number of wounded coming home here and there may allow the Russian people to communicate and put two and two together. But will Putin allow them to brought home?
 
20,000 wooden coffins and three times that number of wounded coming home here and there may allow the Russian people to communicate and put two and two together. But will Putin allow them to brought home?
What else can he do with them?
 
No, because providing intel to Ukraine is not the same as using military force, which is not a thing we're going to do here. We can (probably) provide intel without risking nuclear retaliation.
But you are now supplying attack weapons to Ukraine
 
Again, that's not the same as American boots on the ground.
It’s still an escalation from defensive weapons only. Don’t worry though the elites have their bunkers to protect them when/if the nukes come
 
It’s still an escalation from defensive weapons only. Don’t worry though the elites have their bunkers to protect them when/if the nukes come
They'd better update those, they're Cold War relics.
 
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