Remember The Words Of Joe Biden In 2019

[Rightguide]

He was just as full of shit then as he is now:

This Biden Quote on Ukraine From 2019 Is Coming Back to Bite Him​

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Spencer Brown

Posted: Feb 25, 2022 1:15 PM

Then-candidate Joe Biden was addressing the crowd at the 2019 DNC Women's Leadership Forum Conference when he decided to engage in a little fear-mongering over what would happen if Donald Trump won reelection — and those words are really coming back to bite him this week.


"It's going to take a hell of a lot of work to make up for all the damage he's done internationally and nationally," Biden said of President Trump. "His network of thugs and co-conspiracists are going to continue to try and undermine our democracy in the meantime," Biden accused.

"Imagine what he can do in another year," Biden said. "Imagine what can happen in Ukraine."

Yes, he really said that. As we now know, nothing would happen in Ukraine during Trump's final year in office. Like every other year of President Trump's time in the White House, Putin stayed within his own borders and didn't seek to take territory by force as he'd done during the Obama-Biden administration. And just after Biden stumbled past the his first anniversary in the White House, Russia would invade Ukraine.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spenc...from-2019-is-coming-back-to-bite-him-n2603802

 

[ll74]

He was just as full of shit then as he is now:

This Biden Quote on Ukraine From 2019 Is Coming Back to Bite Him​

https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/contributor-sm/authorimages//b236e4d2-61bb-464f-856f-06c890e9a23e.jpg
Spencer Brown

Posted: Feb 25, 2022 1:15 PM

Then-candidate Joe Biden was addressing the crowd at the 2019 DNC Women's Leadership Forum Conference when he decided to engage in a little fear-mongering over what would happen if Donald Trump won reelection — and those words are really coming back to bite him this week.


"It's going to take a hell of a lot of work to make up for all the damage he's done internationally and nationally," Biden said of President Trump. "His network of thugs and co-conspiracists are going to continue to try and undermine our democracy in the meantime," Biden accused.

"Imagine what he can do in another year," Biden said. "Imagine what can happen in Ukraine."

Yes, he really said that. As we now know, nothing would happen in Ukraine during Trump's final year in office. Like every other year of President Trump's time in the White House, Putin stayed within his own borders and didn't seek to take territory by force as he'd done during the Obama-Biden administration. And just after Biden stumbled past the his first anniversary in the White House, Russia would invade Ukraine.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spenc...from-2019-is-coming-back-to-bite-him-n2603802

Are you seriously saying that Trump (or Obama or GW) actions in Ukraine did not lead up to this shit? Biden was correct.

 

[Rotadom]

Are you seriously saying that Trump (or Obama or GW) actions in Ukraine did not lead up to this shit? Biden was correct.

Yeah I am not seeing where Reichguide is getting his butthurt from.

 

[pecksniff]

Yeah I am not seeing where Reichguide is getting his butthurt from.

He's getting it from TownHall.

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

He's getting it from TownHall.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Are you seriously saying that Trump (or Obama or GW) actions in Ukraine did not lead up to this shit? Biden was correct.

Not Trump, but deinitely Obama. Remember, Joey Deadbrain was Veep then, and Putin took the occasion to invade and occupy Crimea. We sent them some lovely blankets for their loss.

Trump told Putin not to invade or he'd find Moscow aflame. He also sent Javelin missiles to drive the point home.

 

[ll74]

Not Trump, but deinitely Obama. Remember, Joey Deadbrain was Veep then, and Putin took the occasion to invade and occupy Crimea. We sent them some lovely blankets for their loss.

Trump told Putin not to invade or he'd find Moscow aflame. He also sent Javelin missiles to drive the point home.

Every President that has been around in Putin's presidency has had a hand in where he is today.

Fuck off with your stupid take.

The javelin missiles were required to be placed in Western Ukraine for a reason.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Every President that has been around in Putin's presidency has had a hand in where he is today.

Fuck off with your stupid take.

The javelin missiles were required to be placed in Western Ukraine for a reason.

Puin invaded during Bush II, Obama and Biden. He was quiet during Trump. That's just a fact. It's very likely because Trump told Putin what would happen if he did.

 

[ll74]

Puin invaded during Bush II, Obama and Biden. He was quiet during Trump. That's just a fact. It's very likely because Trump told Putin what would happen if he did.

Yes, I get that somehow you believe that nothing happened during Trump and that nothing Trump did contributed to the current situation.

And Trump thanks you for the reach around, but you're absolutely full of shit.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Yes, I get that somehow you believe that nothing happened during Trump and that nothing Trump did contributed to the current situation.

And Trump thanks you for the reach around, but you're absolutely full of shit.

Well then regale us with tales of all the invasions that happened during Trump.

Putin feared Trump. he doesn't fear Biden. It's that simple. The proof is rolling across Ukraine right now.

 

[ll74]

Well then regale us with tales of all the invasions that happened during Trump.

Putin feared Trump. he doesn't fear Biden. It's that simple. The proof is rolling across Ukraine right now.

I get that you believe that. Trump did absolutely nothing to discourage the actions except give a speech or two. He weakened NATO and the State department on all levels.

Whether its simple to you or not doesn't matter to me.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I get that you believe that. Trump did absolutely nothing to discourage the actions except give a speech or two. He weakened NATO and the State department on all levels.

Whether its simple to you or not doesn't matter to me.

When you tell the dictator of Russia that you'll bomb his capitol flat if he invades Ukraine, I think that's pretty significant. And instead of sendin blankets and MREs, we sent missiles to kill Russian tanks.

Joe invited Putin to make an incursion, by contrast.

 

[ll74]

When you tell the dictator of Russia that you'll bomb his capitol flat if he invades Ukraine, I think that's pretty significant. And instead of sendin blankets and MREs, we sent missiles to kill Russian tanks.

Joe invited Putin to make an incursion, by contrast.

Oh fuck off..he didn't give a shit about Ukraine....he literally withheld money to them so he could evidence about his political opposition.

I get that you and fellow Trumpies think trump had anything to do with the timing, because you oversimplify every single thing you read, but Trump was actively working for Putin's interests within NATO....he had no reason to sabre rattle....

 

[YDB95]

Yeah I am not seeing where Reichguide is getting his butthurt from.

As usual, he is probably seeing exactly what he wants to see with flagrant disregard for what is actually on the page.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Oh fuck off..he didn't give a shit about Ukraine....he literally withheld money to them so he could evidence about his political opposition.

And then sent them Javelin missiles to kill Russian invaders.

If he's appeasing Putin, what's that all about?

 

[DeluxAuto]

And then sent them Javelin missiles to kill Russian invaders.

If he's appeasing Putin, what's that all about?

Do you agree with Trump that Putin is a genius for invading Ukraine?

 

[ll74]

And then sent them Javelin missiles to kill Russian invaders.

If he's appeasing Putin, what's that all about?

well, the story leading up to that one was that Trump didn't want to and had to be convinced.

If it was that important to Trump, then why did he hold it over their heads for info on Biden.

Oh ...right....because he only cares about himself.

I never said he was trying to appease Putin. I said he was doing things favorable to him.

 

[DeluxAuto]

As usual, he is probably seeing exactly what he wants to see with flagrant disregard for what is actually on the page.

He lives in a world of confirmation bias.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Do you agree with Trump that Putin is a genius for invading Ukraine?

I think the words he used were "very smart." Well, if you're going to invade Ukraine, this was the time to do it, no? Putin had going for himL

* A weak and feckless US administration
* A NATO whose memners only recently began getting close to their obligations re defense
* A population in Russia that is more than they will have for decades (losing 25% or so in the net 30 years)
* A China that is currently willing to go along with Russia and back its invasion
* A Europe that has prostrated itslf before the Green God, and thus cannot afford to lose Russia's fossil fuels
* An America that cannot fulfill Europe's energy needs for the same reason

So yes, if you're going to invade, now was the time.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

well, the story leading up to that one was that Trump didn't want to and had to be convinced.

If it was that important to Trump, then why did he hold it over their heads for info on Biden.

Oh ...right....because he only cares about himself.

I never said he was trying to appease Putin. I said he was doing things favorable to him.

And he was convinced. Obama was not, and Putin got Crimea. Now Obama's court jester is running the country, so there's still no one to draw a line in the sand.

The Javelin missiles were apart from what Trump asked from Ukraine.

 

[schism666]

bud flies the hammer and sickle instead of old glory.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I found Dud's mobile home.

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[BabyBoomer50s]

CNN's Fareed Zakaria, hardly a Trump supporter, had this to say. "The dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump administration was pretty tough on the Russians."

Indeed, it was.


1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians

2) Armed Ukraine

3) Ended the Iran nuclear deal

4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending

5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending

6) Added low-yield nuclear weapons to the U.S. arsenal

7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty

8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco

9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent. And on top of that, Trump kept earlier sanctions on Russia and added new ones himself.

 

[ll74]

CNN's Fareed Zakaria, hardly a Trump supporter, had this to say. "The dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump administration was pretty tough on the Russians."

Indeed, it was.


1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians

2) Armed Ukraine

3) Ended the Iran nuclear deal

4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending

5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending

6) Added low-yield nuclear weapons to the U.S. arsenal

7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty

8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco

9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent. And on top of that, Trump kept earlier sanctions on Russia and added new ones himself.

Ended INF and Open Skies

Most of your list had no impact on Russia in either direction

And the whole storage restriction on the javelins was just weird AF. I had heard there were also restrictions on when they could be deployed, but since I can't find any source to affirm my memory there, not worth considering outside of mentioning that.

 

[Chobham]

Untrue, 6, 7, and 9 are significant.

#6 is significant in that Russian doctrine had changed and they surmised (correctly) that the US would NOT respond with strategic nukes to the use of tactical nukes. Our development of tactical nukes was a blocking move. This also had an impact on China. (In China's mind Taiwan is a breakaway province and they have written in both military and political discussions that they would be fully justified in using tactical nukes on their own territory and that the US could not respond with strategic nukes.)

#7 falls in line with the above. MIRV'd ICBM's are a damn inefficient way to deliver tactical nukes.

#9 While most US citizens discuss the fact that we became 'energy independent' along with the cheap gas, it is the cheap gas that was the entire point. It deprived belligerents and potential belligerents (Russia and Iran) of sorely needed foreign revenue. Quite frankly it was virtually bankrupting Iran. Russia was OK, but not prospering.

Like it or not the world runs on energy and always has. Manpower, horsepower, fossil fuel power, the list goes on. Right now the world runs on fossil fuel power and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The "Greens" are full of shit and their policies/demands, which Biden capitulated to, are partly responsible for this juncture of history. Russia's invasion of Georgia in late 2008 was all, OK not all but primarily, about energy (a pipeline), just as this invasion is.

This brings me to 'Putin's Folly.' Putin is Euro focused. He apparently envisions Russia as a 'great' European power. And the fact of the matter they could be, God knows they have the energy supplies. The problem is that China envisions itself as the 'great' Asian power but they have one problem, they don't have the energy supplies. China is Putin's great danger and there is NO way Russia can defend against a Chinese incursion without resorting to strategic nukes. This against a China that believes that they can not only survive such an attack, but prevail? After all is said and done China is a continental power and a formidable one at that. Quite frankly it would make more sense for Russia to JOIN NATO rather than fight NATO. Their energy resources alone would virtually guarantee Russia to become a major power. Putin has committed the majority of his offensive power to squashing the Ukraine. Who's standing guard on the Amur?