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hobbit.

hobbit.

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just been having some 'bants' with a tory voting arsehole on facefuck, he rates winston spencer churchill as the greatest conservative ever to have lived (closely followed by frau thatchler) didnt like the mention of racism, sadism, depression, twattery, etc.

how do you view the chap ?

(cant be arsed doing a poll) Ogg would fuck it up anyway :D
 
Apart from ww2, everything else he touched was a fucking disaster. Dardanelles, anyone? India? And there's fuck all doubt he was a racist.
 
^perhaps, yes.
But why do I have a funny feeling you admire his sociopathic qualities (Racism, etc) more than his good qualities (Defending the UK and leading the WW2 allies to victory over the nazis and facism?)

Because you have a tendancy to defend the latter while downplaying the former.
 
Sean said:
Apart from ww2, everything else he touched was a fucking disaster. Dardanelles, anyone? India? And there's fuck all doubt he was a racist.
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Guessing a LOT of people in the 1930's and 40's were racist. Was pretty much the norm.
 
The Racism you decry was normative for polite society at the time,
so, in that he is being taken out of context. All I know of him is as
a wartime leader and he did better than the "respectable" men of
the day who preceded him. That's about all I have on the topic.

A war needs a Churchill or, in our case, a Patton.
Peace has very little need of them.

Having said that, it's the men of peace who end up
being in the position to force a nation to turn to
men of that type; blood and guts leaders.
 
hobbit. said:
just been having some 'bants' with a tory voting arsehole on facefuck, he rates winston spencer churchill as the greatest conservative ever to have lived (closely followed by frau thatchler) didnt like the mention of racism, sadism, depression, twattery, etc.

how do you view the chap ?

(cant be arsed doing a poll) Ogg would fuck it up anyway :D
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You can’t judge what happened in the past on todays standards. If it hadn’t been for WC the world would be a different place and you wouldn’t have the opportunity to voice your bigoted thoughts
 
Champakian said:
The Racism you decry was normative for polite society at the time,
so, in that he is being taken out of context. All I know of him is as
a wartime leader and he did better than the "respectable" men of
the day who preceded him. That's about all I have on the topic.

A war needs a Churchill or, in our case, a Patton.
Peace has very little need of them.

Having said that, it's the men of peace who end up
being in the position to force a nation to turn to
men of that type; blood and guts leaders.
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Well said
 
Ha. Churchill was not the greatest conservative prime minister of the 20th century, he was the second greatest. The greatest? Why that has to be Tony Blair.
 
Churchill during the war did not lead a Conservative government. It was a coalition government with the Conservatives, labour and others working together.

he didn't become a Conservative Prime minister until later when he was past his best.
 
Champakian said:
The Racism you decry was normative for polite society at the time,
so, in that he is being taken out of context. All I know of him is as
a wartime leader and he did better than the "respectable" men of
the day who preceded him. That's about all I have on the topic.

A war needs a Churchill or, in our case, a Patton.
Peace has very little need of them.

Having said that, it's the men of peace who end up
being in the position to force a nation to turn to
men of that type; blood and guts leaders.
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Not just polite society, racism is normal in all society.
 
Without Winnie, this thread is in the German forum.


He put one good con on FDR.


And he saw Uncle Joe for what he was.
 
Throughout history God has picked "Men out of time" often the illogical, sketchy and sometimes the biggest scoundrels one could contemplate to alter history according to his master plan...

But somehow they get the job done. And when he is through with them, often they fade away in a few months or years into the annals of time... or killed or jailed.

The unknowing call it "Fate".
 
loveupskirt said:
Guessing a LOT of people in the 1930's and 40's were racist. Was pretty much the norm.
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Did you mean guessing or gassing? after WW1 he still wanted to use chemical weapons.

Champakian said:
men of that type; blood and guts leaders.
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who won the war single handed... and who didnt do much service (military) himself, preferring others to do his dirty work.

Taggy1 said:
If it hadn’t been for WC the world would be a different place and you wouldn’t have the opportunity to voice your bigoted thoughts
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Yes i was forgetting his excellent work at Bletchley park, mind you he did win the battle of the Atlantic AND the battle of Britain on his own, and that was while he was building Spitfires and Lancasters in his garden shed.

oggbashan said:
he didn't become a Conservative Prime minister until later when he was past his best.
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after he was handed his arse back in the general election after the war.

pecksniff said:
It's no accident he was turned out of office as soon as the war ended.
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he was out of office and the NHS was founded.
 
Being in the military does not make you a
master-player at the game of Risk™...


;) ;)


A politician who navigates to the top of his (/her) profession?
That is a master of strategy. There's no strategy in the trenches...
 
Champakian said:
Being in the military does not make you a
master-player at the game of Risk™...


;) ;)


A politician who navigates to the top of his (/her) profession?
That is a master of strategy. There's no strategy in the trenches...
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Churchill was a warrior before he was a politician.
 
Didn't know that, not an English historian,
but not really the main point made either.
 
Champakian said:
Didn't know that, not an English historian,
but not really the main point made either.
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He fought in India, was injured at the battle of Omdurman in Egypt, was captured as an embedded war correspondent during the Boer War and sensationally escaped, and was Head of the Admiralty in WW1. When he was dismissed from office, he went to the trenches on the Western Front.

Churchill knew war from the inside.

During the 1930s, when he was in 'the wilderness' he had a collection of friends (spies) that kept him informed about the secret rearmament of Germany. He used that information to embarrass the government by pointing out that what Hitler was doing was not what he said he was doing and he should never be trusted.

He was constantly urging the government to rearm and modernise the armed forces. Until after Munich in 1938 there was little evidence of rearmament, and even then Churchill's warnings weren't taken seriously.
 
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