Yes, The Deep State Does Exist

[Rightguide]

Like I said, we need something like the Church Committee hearings. Periodically, in the CIA's case.

Pubs say they're going to do that. It may happen even sooner now that two Democrat Senators are concerned. There need to be consequences as well, prosecutions extreme budget cuts, new legislation, something.

 

[Rightguide]

More evidence of the existence of the Deep State:

Feds warn against untimely release of Georgia voting machine 'secret report'
by Daniel Chaitin, Deputy News Editor | | February 11, 2022 08:37 PM
Updated Feb 12, 2022, 01:52 PM

A federal agency is reviewing a so-called secret report on alleged vulnerabilities in Georgia's voting equipment.

The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, an arm of the Homeland Security Department, is assessing the fresh doubts being cast on the security of Dominion Voting Systems and is asking a judge to hold off on ordering the release of the report authored by Alex Halderman, a computer science professor at the University of Michigan, which could have implications for election technology used in states across the country.

“Such premature disclosure increases the risk that malicious actors may be able to exploit any vulnerabilities and threaten election security," the CISA said in a court filing Thursday.

Halderman, an expert for plaintiffs in a long-running lawsuit seeking to get Georgia to ditch electronic voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots, was granted access to Dominion voting equipment in Fulton County for 12 weeks and produced a 25,000-word "secret report" that has been filed under seal, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican official who has vehemently defended the integrity of the 2020 election in the face of fraud claims by former President Donald Trump and his allies, has criticized Halderman and called for the report's release, insisting that media reporting about it are sowing distrust ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. Raffensperger said in a statement last month that the report is "not an objective, academic study by a non-biased actor."

More here:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...lease-of-georgia-voting-machine-secret-report

 

[pecksniff]

More evidence of the existence of the Deep State:

It's a lawsuit. There are no sinister forces at work on either side of it.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Well, stats show the highest amount of political donations from federal departments go to the Democrat Party, so draw your own conclusions.

My experience working with Ds and Rs in government is that there is no difference between the parties. They are like two organized crime families who take turns naming the Godfather and filling employment positions. So, I conclude that the deep state consists of Americans from the right, left, and center.

 

[ll74]

....wrong thread.

 

[Champakian]

The deep state has always been a fear.momger porn for the right wing.

There is an establishment that is interested in maintaining a stable and predictable government. The reason for that is that unpredictable and unstable governments are not beneficial to society. That establishment is apolitical typically.

Unless the right-wing holds the power and then the Left Wing
floods itself with Nazi imagery and the fear of all the things
they're going to do like shove gays into the closet, enslave
blacks, force women to have babies and take away their vote.



(I highly approve of that last one. )


Their interest is self-interest only.
They'd strike agains "their" government
in a heartbeat if it were not illegal, subject to jail...

 

[JohnnySavage]

The government invented the internet. Anyone that thinks the government doesn't have the ability and the desire to peek at what's going on there is naive.

Funny thing about all these alphabet agencies, is that the people in them really believe they are working for the American people, with no clue that they are actually the bad guys.

 

[bellisarius]

The government invented the internet. Anyone that thinks the government doesn't have the ability and the desire to peek at what's going on there is naive.

Funny thing about all these alphabet agencies, is that the people in them really believe they are working for the American people, with no clue that they are actually the bad guys.

There is no other choice for them. Once they stop believing their jobs, and lives, become pointless. What they, and the elected officials, fail to understand is that there comes a point when 'doing good' starts becoming a positive harm to citizen.

 

[WillJ8787]

They are at war with the American people. They have set the CIA against the people with a gigantic surveillance program that violates the limits of its legislative authority. The FBI was caught doing the same thing. the DHS has issued an order classifying Americans who hold opinions different than the government as terrorists. They depend on nitwits like you to misunderstand their intentions and hope you breed another generation of stunted offspring who will accept their totalitarianism as facts of normal life and be good little sheep.

PS: If you don't like what I did there, learn some fucking manners.

Therapy and prescription meds will help with your fears of "The Wolf" Red Riding Hood.

 

[pecksniff]

There is no other choice for them. Once they stop believing their jobs, and lives, become pointless. What they, and the elected officials, fail to understand is that there comes a point when 'doing good' starts becoming a positive harm to citizen.

We ain't near that point yet.

 

[Rightguide]

It's a lawsuit. There are no sinister forces at work on either side of it.

Except it will reveal a "secret report" the government doesn't want you to see.

 

[Rightguide]

My experience working with Ds and Rs in government is that there is no difference between the parties. They are like two organized crime families who take turns naming the Godfather and filling employment positions. So, I conclude that the deep state consists of Americans from the right, left, and center.

When we consider their interests are not the same as the private sector they exist to protect and support, it really doesn't matter. Collectively, they are the problem.

 

[Rightguide]

Therapy and prescription meds will help with your fears of "The Wolf" Red Riding Hood.

You on the other hand are so far gone, you're only choice is to brush your teeth with a pistol.

 

[Rightguide]

The government invented the internet. Anyone that thinks the government doesn't have the ability and the desire to peek at what's going on there is naive.

Funny thing about all these alphabet agencies, is that the people in them really believe they are working for the American people, with no clue that they are actually the bad guys.

When they start breaking the law as if it didn't exist and holding heroic views of themselves, it's time for the true owners of the country to demand accountability.

 

[pecksniff]

Except it will reveal a "secret report" the government doesn't want you to see.

If it has to do with voting machines in Georgia, it's not gonna shake any branches. There is not really any reasonable doubt about the election results.

 

[Rightguide]

If it has to do with voting machines in Georgia, it's not gonna shake any branches. There is not really any reasonable doubt about the election results.

The secret report is about the machines. Pay attention. Why don't they want us to know about those machines? We know why, it's been alluded to in the press and elsewhere. They did have Internet connectivity and they were reporting and processing their data at IP addresses in foreign countries.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Except it will reveal a "secret report" the government doesn't want you to see.

"Lawyers for the state had repeatedly objected to those requests, but Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger last month put out a news release calling for its release."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/feds-oppose-release-voting-machine-report-82828143

Hmmm isn't the Secretary of State, a member of government????

Questions, questions,questions.........

BTW the report isn't secret, (it never was secret....) however the report may contain information, which "hackers' could find very useful, since Dominion Voting machines upload information ( programs) tailored to the election tallying there are being used for. The report cold detail how this could be done, since the author was given "full program access", when studying the device).

You know, kind of like how your car or truck has a port to be updated for new programming to make it run better.....

Fuck you're still an intellectually challenged piece of shit, wrongway....don't ever change....

 

[pecksniff]

Back in 2004 it was the Dems and leftists complaining about corruptible voting machines.

We should at least make sure all voting is done on paper ballots (scanned and counted by machines), and all ballots are preserved in case recounts are demanded.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Back in 2004 it was the Dems and leftists complaining about corruptible voting machines.

We should at least make sure all voting is done on paper ballots (scanned and counted by machines), and all ballots are preserved in case recounts are demanded.

Dominion machines can do both....read a paper ballot, and print a paper record....
It is really a tremendous failure in America, that a private company has to go to this level of education, for a failed political party.....
https://www.dominionvoting.com/setting-the-record-straight/

 

[njlauren]

Back in 2004 it was the Dems and leftists complaining about corruptible voting machines.

We should at least make sure all voting is done on paper ballots (scanned and counted by machines), and all ballots are preserved in case recounts are demanded.

They are already doing that. When I voted the last election it is electronic, but it creates a paper ballot that it shows you before it is saved.

What is astounding to me is people don't even understand that almost everything in their lives is electronic, yet because a pathetic excuse for a man whined that voting was fraudulent suddenly computer are vulnerable and must of been manipulated against him because his pathetic ego can't take the notion he lost. He is such a loser that he won in 2016, and claimed fraud because he lost the popular vote by like 4 million votes.

All stock transactions are traded electronically these days, cleared and settled, billions and billions of shares trade over the internet and no one thinks twice about it (a long time ago, trading connectivity to the exchances was done over leaded lines, today it is all public internet. ).


Banking is done electronically, all transactions are done electronically, the clearing of checks, financial transfers,etc. The same louts that claim voting machines are out there proud they are buying into crypto currencies, which if you want something vulnerable to fraud, forget it, it is ripe for it (already has happened).

So why are they attacking voting machines? Easy, it is a lot easier to commit fraud with paper ballots. Electronic voting machines have audit trails on them, all kinds of security using things like checksums,that make it difficult to commit fraud (and the audit trails have multiple copies, makes it even more difficult).

Paper ballots? They are counted by hand in secret, and of course in the red states they make sure it isn't non partisan. Paper ballots can be thrown out or manipulated and the question is, who is watching the watchers? Funny how GOP cries about mail in ballots being fraudulent (when they are paper ballots) but are crying for paper ballots when voting in person.

As far as the super secret report about the voting machines, I would be careful about that. Other experts have reviewed the designs of the voting machines, for one thing, and the computer science professor in question may or may not be biased, I have heard he is reputed to be an ultra conservative who has every reason to try and question the integrity of the machines.

Whatever his reason for doing it, the thing is, unless that report is reviewed by other computer security experts it doesn't mean anything, computer science works like science in general does, claims like this guy need to be verified by other experts to see if his conclusions are valid, can they see his logic and see if his arguments hold water. When new theories and discoveries are to be published in computer journals, they need to be checked out by others.

And working with computers including computer security, saying 'there is a potential vulnerabiity' does not mean that there was a breach or even that there likely would be one. A lot of the times they find a vulnerability that in real world was not likely to cause a problem, it is how it works. Claiming that Trump was cheated because of a potential vulnerability in a computer system doesn't mean there was cheating, and by this point it would have been discovered. That is the other thing, with something like voting that is so scrutinized the odds of a vulnerability being used to commit fraud is very small.

My experience with those arguing against computers being used in general is not fear of fraud, but rather that computers make it a lot harder to commit the kinds of fraud they want. Manipulate computer voting records there will be artifacts; miscount paper ballots in private or throw out ballots, really easy and no audit trail.

I worked at a stock exchange many years ago, when they were first automating the order flow. At the time, small order flow went via an electronic system, and was executed after printing on a paper ticket o the floor. It was executed by a clerk using a pencil to check fields and read it into a reader. The first electronic books were coming into play that had the order flow, allowed the specialists to easily execute the orders, figure out their position, etc. it was put live, and 2 years later few stocks were on the electronic books. I heard all kinds of bs, the specialists didn't trust them, the clerks were afraid they would lose their jobs. Want to know the truth? The specialists operated under rules, things like they were supposed to trade customer orders before theirs, trade individual order flow before institutional, and not do things like front run prices on a stock (use their own orders to manipulate the price up/down).

So why did they resist the electronic book? It had a full audit trail on it, they could replay data through the book and see exactly what the specialists were doing..and pick up every illegal activity.

Hate to tell the shitkickers, but a lot of countries around the world have fully automated voting, they vote at home in scandinavian countries, other countries are full electronic at polling places and no problems reported. It is amazing that in the US suddenly there is this big problem with electronic voting, that mysteriously came about with Trump coming onto the scene. States in the US have been doing all mail in balloting for years, no problem. What that tells me is that this is about people who routinely cheat trying to find ways to keep cheating and they know mail in ballots and electronic systems defeat their big tool, suppressing voting. You can't have militia members with AR15's as poll workers, you can't have LEO's fully armed challenging people's right to vote, you can't do what they do in red states, have 1 voting machine for 100,000 people in a city and like 1 voting machine for 1000 in rural areas.

 

[Champakian]

There is no other choice for them. Once they stop believing their jobs, and lives, become pointless. What they, and the elected officials, fail to understand is that there comes a point when 'doing good' starts becoming a positive harm to citizen.

I talked to a lot of the interns and low-level staffers,
the people who never leave and are always there to
assist, guide, and direct the politicians who come and go,
and it quickly became apparent that the High Schools
of DC operate as feeder schools for the bureaucracy.

They are the ones who are ultimately dictating the
nuts and bolts of the directives of the political class.

Their ideas on "doing good" have no basis in reality.

 

[Champakian]

Lauren, it is comforting to know that the votes of the dead are carefully tabulated and stored.

It is comforting to know that all of those shut-ins casting all those "valid" ballots were similarly
treated as if protected by armed guard by trustworthy and honest third parties.

It doesn't matter who employs and directs that effort.
Everyone is so patriotic...

:nods:

 

[Champakian]

After all, the more ballots you harvest,
the better Democracy works...



... for the harvesters.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"but...but...ballot harvesting!"


*nods* and *chuckles*