The sloppy, patchwork, spaghetti-at-the-wall effort to steal the presidency

[pecksniff]

The whole thing's worth a read.

It’s worth beginning with the observation that it was all so obvious. President Donald Trump’s effort to secure a second term in office regardless of the will of the electorate was so ham-handed and clumsy that it was like watching a little kid do a magic trick: You knew what was coming and how it would work and you just had to let it play out.

Although of course, this particular magic trick ends with the kid’s friend furiously trying to burn your house down.

As we continue to learn details of how Trump scrambled to block Joe Biden’s victory in the weeks after the 2020 election — like the report Monday evening that Trump considered various options for seizing voting machines — it is useful to fit what we know into an overarching framework. No part of the scheming by Trump and his allies is disconnected from the rest; each intertwines into an ad hoc, three-pronged ploy.

He tried to prove fraud. He tried to get elections officials to act as if there had been fraud. And then he just tried to steal the election.

As you review Trump’s efforts, patterns become apparent. While the overall effort to seize a second term in office was lengthy and complicated, none of the individual efforts to advance it went very far. This was almost never a function of Trump’s simply realizing that he was overreaching or his coming to understand that he was inappropriately crossing a boundary. It was, instead, because those against whom he was applying pressure resisted. At times, this was virtuous, as with Vice President Mike Pence’s refusal to execute the last-ditch effort to block electoral-vote counting. At other times, it seems likely that the actions were self-serving, as when Trump’s attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani objected to the seizure of voting machines as advocated by his rival, the attorney Sidney Powell. But it was others, including state-level institutions and even local actors, who applied the brakes to the plot. It was almost never Trump.

Here’s what we know about how it played out, in rough chronological order. Each item is identified as being either part of the effort to prove fraud or to get officials to act on the idea that fraud had occurred. Except for the last item on the list, which stands alone.

 

[KeithD]

Can you imagine how this might have turned out then (it's still trying to turn out now) if the folks doing it had been the least bit competent?

And these are the folks the board Trumpettes are slobbering all over trying to cover for?

 

[pecksniff]

Can you imagine how this might have turned out then (it's still trying to turn out now) if the folks doing it had been the least bit competent?

And these are the folks the board Trumpettes are slobbering all over trying to cover for?

That's what worries me -- that someday they'll find somebody who is competent, and satisfies them in the same ways Trump did. Then we'll have real fascism.

 

[KeithD]

As long as the Republicans avoid being patriots, there's that threat, yes.

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

The dems were sloppy, even had to stop the counts in 4 states because Trump had more votes than any other 2nd term President in history, but hey, they got away with it until now.

Anyone who thinks the disaster in charge now is a real president is suffering from mass psychosis- hypnotized by the msm lies.

 

[pecksniff]

The dems were sloppy, even had to stop the counts in 4 states because Trump had more votes than any other 2nd term President in history, but hey, they got away with it until now.

Anyone who thinks the disaster in charge now is a real president is suffering from mass psychosis- hypnotized by the msm lies.

Now, you know perfectly well that Biden won fair and square.

 

[butters]

Now, you know perfectly well that Biden won fair and square.

looking at his posts, i'd say he barely has a tenuous connection with reality... so quit projecting

 

[YDB95]

The dems were sloppy, even had to stop the counts in 4 states because Trump had more votes than any other 2nd term President in history, but hey, they got away with it until now.

Anyone who thinks the disaster in charge now is a real president is suffering from mass psychosis- hypnotized by the msm lies.

Which four states were those? Come on, if you're going to make that claim, you'd best be specific.

 

[phrodeau]

The new narrative: The Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys were behind the whole Capitol building occupation plan, but they were thwarted by having all the rally goers show up with their cellphone cameras and goofy getups. Unwilling to deal with all those civilians, they canceled their materiel shipments and abandoned the plan.

So President Trump, being responsible for the parade of tourists, actually helped prevent a long-term occupation of the Capitol.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Which four states were those? Come on, if you're going to make that claim, you'd best be specific.

Domnccoast's reply:

"Give me time to think of a rebuttal, for FUCK'S SAKE, dude!"

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

Which four states were those? Come on, if you're going to make that claim, you'd best be specific.

My, you have a short memory. Google is your friend.

 

[Champakian]

peckersniffer (and you fellows of the Left),

just how fucking insecure are you about your victory?
You just can't seem to let it go but keep responding vociferously to the lunatic fringe.

Is it because that's the only way that you can look relatively good?

 

[jomar]

peckersniffer (and you fellows of the Left),

just how fucking insecure are you about your victory?
You just can't seem to let it go but keep responding vociferously to the lunatic fringe.

Is it because that's the only way that you can look relatively good?

Not insecure about it at all, even though 3 out of 10 republicans believe the bullshit that there was mass fraud in favor of Biden.

By lunatic fringe you mean trumps base?

Just have to keep responding to the crazy. Even after yesterday’s statement trumps still insisting Pence could have stole the election for him.

 

[Champakian]

Well, I'm not a Republican. I'm not entirely sure if your 3:10 is valid.

I get the sense that they've long left the election behind them
and are instead focused on future elections.

The lunatic fringe of politics frequent
both parties equally and spin off
a lot of truly lunatic parties
like the one I support.

 

[Champakian]

PS - Is your apostrophe key broken or do you just not believe in them?

 

[jomar]

Well, I'm not a Republican. I'm not entirely sure if your 3:10 is valid.

I get the sense that they've long left the election behind them
and are instead focused on future elections.

The lunatic fringe of politics frequent
both parties equally and spin off
a lot of truly lunatic parties
like the one I support.

The sane ones want to, but are still afeared of trump. I’m hoping Pence’s statement will begin to break the logjam.

PS - Is your apostrophe key broken or do you just not believe in them?

The question is is trump worthy of one.

I noticed capitalization escaped your attention.

 

[BidudeinWi]

The whole thing's worth a read.

Why are the LibFucks trying SO HARD to block ALL efforts to verify that the election was legit. If there is “nothing to see here” it was a fair election then no LibTard should have an issue with it.

 

[phrodeau]

The dems were sloppy, even had to stop the counts in 4 states because Trump had more votes than any other 2nd term President in history, but hey, they got away with it until now.

Anyone who thinks the disaster in charge now is a real president is suffering from mass psychosis- hypnotized by the msm lies.

Elections are not partisan. Besides, the GOP did very well at the state level in 2020, even with all the mail-in, early and absentee ballots.

 

[KeithD]

Why are the LibFucks trying SO HARD to block ALL efforts to verify that the election was legit. If there is “nothing to see here” it was a fair election then no LibTard should have an issue with it.

They didn't. There were far too many unnecessary recounts showing, thus far, that it was only Trumpers who tried to cheat and the "LibFucks" did zero to stop them from happening--from them showing how stupid Trump (and you) are on the Big Lie.

 

[Rightguide]

Not insecure about it at all, even though 3 out of 10 republicans believe the bullshit that there was mass fraud in favor of Biden.

By lunatic fringe you mean trumps base?

Prove that ratio of 3 out of 10.

Show me another Presidential candidate representing a lunatic fringe drawing a crowd of 85,000. Go ahead show me.

 

[Rightguide]

They didn't. .

Yes they did.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes they did.

The election results were certified in all 50 states. It's over. Your guy lost.

This isn't Korea...you don't get "unlimited do-overs".

Take the loss like the man your daddy always wanted you to be, not the whiny cringing beta male your mama raised.

 

[ll74]

Why are the LibFucks trying SO HARD to block ALL efforts to verify that the election was legit. If there is “nothing to see here” it was a fair election then no LibTard should have an issue with it.

They are against excessive and unnecessary"audits"....every single "battleground" state has had, at least two audits and a fairly high number of court cases.

Every single audit verified the same thing....Biden won the election by the votes that were counted.

And you dipshits keep wanting more audits because they keep proving that you're wrong


After a while getting punched in the face is not productive

 

[jomar]

Prove that ratio of 3 out of 10.

Read down to: Do you believe Biden won fairly or due to fraud?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...be-trump-will-be-president-again-before-2024/

Show me another Presidential candidate representing a lunatic fringe drawing a crowd of 85,000. Go ahead show me.

Fortunately, I can’t, trump has the market cornered!

 

[pecksniff]

Elections are not partisan.

They're run by county supervisors of elections, usually elected on a partisan basis.