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Oath Keepers leader pleads not guilty...sentencing will be severe

Hanging from the nearest tree....just like he stated he wanted to do
 
Ordered to jail until trial, with no bail. Next he’ll be complaining about the food, medical care, and mask mandate.
 
Oath Keepers:

Oath Keepers is a far-right, anti-government militia organization founded by Elmer Stewart Rhodes III (1966–) in 2009.[1] Oath Keepers is considered to be part of the broader 'patriot movement', which includes other militias, sovereign citizens and tax protesters.[2] Their membership consists of "current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to 'defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'" — but any old gun nut can join as an associate member.[3] That sounds all perfectly reasonable — except that members frequently have a different idea of what "defend the Constitution" means than ordinary people or Constitutional scholars: Oath Keepers' belief that they will prevent tyranny revolves around the New World Order conspiracy theory.[2] In practice, this can mean inciting members to intimidate voters they don't like,[4] or engaging in an insurrection against a democratically-elected government.[5]

Rhodes, who once worked for Ron Paul, has been described by his ex-wife as expressing paranoid views about the government.[6] According to Jason Van Tatenhove, former spokesman for the Oath Keepers, Rhodes' appearance is comparable to a performance, a claim that is confirmed to some degree by Rhodes' inability to draw large live audiences and his not actually training a militia.[6] Rhodes' followers are largely armchair militants whom Rhodes grifts according to Van Tatenhove, and that would seem to be confirmed by Rhodes' allegedly leading a force of only 18 Oath Keepers a the 2021 U.S. Capitol riot — from a safe distance.[6]

Origins

According to the ADL, Oath Keepers is similar to a less-successful organization founded by Jack McLamb in the 1990s, Police Against the New World Order.[2] Oath Keepers was founded in 2009.

Rhodes' foundational idea was that Hitler's rise to power could have been prevented if German soldiers and police had disobeyed unconstitutional orders:[7]

"It (a full-blown totalitarian police state) cannot happen here if the majority of police and soldiers obey their oaths to defend the Constitution and refuse to enforce the unconstitutional edicts of the "Leader.""

There are a few problems with this Nazi analogy:

1. Hitler did not rise to power all at once. He first attempted a coup (the Beer Hall Putsch) in 1923, for which he was sent to prison. After release from prison, he ran for President in 1932 and lost to von Hindenburg, who then appointed Hitler as Chancellor. Hitler then bent the law and constitution to his liking using the Reichstag Fire Decree (a series of key decrees, legislative acts, and case law).[8]

2. Hitler's rise to power was technically done legally under German law at the time. He was appointed chancellor as the German constitution provided, he obtained the emergency powers under the Reichstag decree issued by President Hindenburg, his party won the March 1933 elections, and then he had the legislature pass a constitutional amendment making him dictator. Even the extrajudicial detention of leftists in concentration camps was legal loopholed as "protective custody"- these naughty leftists were simply being "protected" from the good and righteous German people[9].

3. The police and military didn't just "follow orders", they were often enthusiastic supporters of Hitler. The Nazi ranks, especially the Brownshirt thugs, were filled with disaffected, right-wing World War I veterans, including Göring, Röhm, and even Hitler himself; and right-wing militias called the Freikorps essentially became a handy recruitment pool for the party in its early days. The police were also sympathetic to the Nazis- once in power, the Nazis purged the various German police forces of political opponents (and Jews). Very few police were actually purged- for example, only 31 of the 2,600 police in Cologne were fired.[10]

4. Rhodes was aiming this insurrectionist ideology at Hillary Clinton (whom he referred to as "Hitlery"), who at that time was making her first run for POTUS. Clinton, it should be noted, has at no time violated her Constitutional oath (first as US Senator in 2001, then as Secretary of State in 2009), nor has she proposed changes to the constitution except through the democratic means of constitutional amendment (a proposed campaign finance reform amendment to counter Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission[11]).
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Pud seems to have a soft spot for the traitorous criminal. Maybe Pud will start up a romantic correspondence with the insurrectionist POS when he's in prison.

*non-judgemental nod*
 
Lazaran said:
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Pud seems to have a soft spot for the traitorous criminal. Maybe Pud will start up a romantic correspondence with the insurrectionist POS when he's in prison.

*non-judgemental nod*
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Yeah, here's a dangerous insurrectionist, steely-eyed and focused on ovrthrowing the government, armed to the teeth....and he forgets to bring a gun to the revoution. So do all his dangerous insurrectionist pals. I mean, what are the chances?
 
Bud_Spencer said:
Yeah, here's a dangerous insurrectionist, steely-eyed and focused on ovrthrowing the government, armed to the teeth....and he forgets to bring a gun to the revoution. So do all his dangerous insurrectionist pals. I mean, what are the chances?
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It was an insurrection, but nobody ever said it was a well-thought-out insurrection.
 
pecksniff said:
It was an insurrection, but nobody ever said it was a well-thought-out insurrection.
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Funny how that all works out, no? It's almost like it was something totally innocent that dishonest people who crave power wrap in a false narrative.
 
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Pud seems to forget the old stand-by justification for identifying an "unarmed" individual as a deadly threat: "They had access to MY gun!!!".

By that ^ reasoning, the insurrectionists should ALL have been shot dead.

Truthfully, I was under the assumption that the Capitol had a standing special forces unit defending it, (beyond the Capitol Police), with orders to eliminate threats like the 1/6 insurrectionists with extreme prejudice.

If that ^ had been the case, things would look very different today.

I guarantee if a group tries something similar in the future the response is going to be orders of magnitude more kinetic.

Hell; if the group attacking the Capitol on 1/6 hadn't been a bunch of white people, the Capitol Police's response would almost certainly have been orders of magnitude more kinetic.

*positive nod*
 
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