What's up with the moralizing commenters?

[MrShovel]

A few times now I've stumbled on stories where the commenters savagely insult the author because they don't like how in the story, there's adultery, or a big age gap between the partners, or something else.

Y'all do know this is all made up, right?

Like, none of this actually happened.

It feels so weird that in 2022 people still want to control other people's art.

Sure, there's plenty of stories here (and everywhere else) that disgust me.

But I don't read them! Or if I do read something that I really dislike, well, I move on. I don't write a lecture to the author telling them how they're a bad person.

Maybe, maybe, maybe I could see writing something if I was genuinely offended. But there's a difference between me saying "this story really upset me" and then moving on vs me going on a crusade to harass the writer on everything they post from now on.

There's a very complex conversation to be had about whether art influences us. Like, if I write a story about how much it is to run back and forth across the freeway, and some extremely impressionable reader gets killed after reading it, well, I think I would bear a tiny bit of responsibility.

But that's a ludicrous exaggerated scenario.

This is a website for adults only with clear content descriptions. It probably shouldn't be visited by people that can't distinguish between play and real life.

Are these moralizing commenters growing in numbers? They seem to be.

 

[jaF0]

Welcome to the internet. I take it this is your first day here?

 

[KeithD]

Shall we call them and ask them why they are moralizing?

It's OK to vent, I guess, as long as you don't really expect to get a meaningful answer.

 

[lovecraft68]

Kicker is that Lit has specific categories meaning...
You can't lecture about non consent if you're in that section, or incest in incest etc...


The majority of the moral type I see here is in loving wives where its really not about the morals of cheating, but the audacity of an author portraying a woman doing what she wants, not what she's told.

I often wonder if that preachy type would step out on their wife(having one is a stretch but benefit of the doubt) if they had the chance. Trust me, that's a rhetorical question in my mind.

As the saying goes, look at the source.

Plenty of good comments on here to pay attention to rather than give the dregs time of day

 

[invisible_bridges]

Loving Wives is a category that encompasses moral responses on the part of the fictional characters and thus encourages moral responses on the part of the readers.

What is the proper moral response to betrayal? Revenge? Forgiveness? Are there moral distinctions between a purely sexual extra-marital affair and an affair that involves romantic love? Which is more destructive to a marriage? Should a couple remain together for the sake of children? Etc.

I'd argue that LW is the most 'adult' category on the site in that it is the category most conducive to the portrayal of a more complete rendering of all the human complexities --- social, legal, political, ethical, etc. ---when two people have sex.

 

[KeithD]

Literotica's own explanation of the Loving Wives category, "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more," depicts it as a fun party with nary a hint of moralizing. Thus, it is evident that any author who wants to write a story that doesn't go beyond "fun" aspects of the activity has every grounds to do so here. Readers can comment as they like, of course, and they can moralize, as they like, but that's not how the site itself characterizes the category.

SOOO, it would seem that the best thing for an author to do if some commenter goes all moralizing on them in unwanted ways, given that Literotica doesn't require moralizing to be included in Loving Wive stories but commenters are free to post whatever comments they want--and given that nobody on the discussion board can do anything about this--would be that the author just delete any unwanted moralizing comments. Literotica gives the authors that power.

 

[DanDraper]

Welcome to the internet. I take it this is your first day here?

If he thinks this is bad, then he better not go on Twitter.




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[comegently]

Before the Internet, some people used to send hate mail to actors who played nasty characters in soaps.
I suppose for them, the suspension of disbelief that lets readers enjoy fiction is a lot stronger.
Twitter is indeed far worse. It's like walking naked in the Serengeti with a raw steak in your hand, among a pack of hyenas.
Moralists tend to think other readers are stupid so, for instance, if a story doesn't mention wearing a rubber, they will instantly think they don't need them.
The limits on here are rightly confined to depicting only what is legal in the USA and wider developed world. Beyind that, moralising is mere opinion.

 

[RetroFan]

Loving Wives is a category that encompasses moral responses on the part of the fictional characters and thus encourages moral responses on the part of the readers.

What is the proper moral response to betrayal? Revenge? Forgiveness? Are there moral distinctions between a purely sexual extra-marital affair and an affair that involves romantic love? Which is more destructive to a marriage? Should a couple remain together for the sake of children? Etc.

I'd argue that LW is the most 'adult' category on the site in that it is the category most conducive to the portrayal of a more complete rendering of all the human complexities --- social, legal, political, ethical, etc. ---when two people have sex.

The LW readers get very upset about certain things. For example, I wrote a LW story last year in which an annoying trophy wife is having sex all over town - sometimes getting paid for it - unknown to her husband. The husband's lesbian sister (the narrator of the story) discovers what the wife is up to and calls her out on it, but one thing leads to another and the wife and sister-in-law end up sleeping together, and the wife's infidelity is covered up and goes unpunished.

The lesbian sex scene between the wife and sister-in-law was supposed to be the erotic payoff for the readers, but they were very angry about it, comments advising that the sister-in-law should not have slept with the wife and instead told the brother (using more colourful terms than I have here).

 

[lovecraft68]

Loving Wives is a category that encompasses moral responses on the part of the fictional characters and thus encourages moral responses on the part of the readers.

What is the proper moral response to betrayal? Revenge? Forgiveness? Are there moral distinctions between a purely sexual extra-marital affair and an affair that involves romantic love? Which is more destructive to a marriage? Should a couple remain together for the sake of children? Etc.

I'd argue that LW is the most 'adult' category on the site in that it is the category most conducive to the portrayal of a more complete rendering of all the human complexities --- social, legal, political, ethical, etc. ---when two people have sex.

You're giving the category too much credit. Its about hate. Hatred of women, hatred of men who are okay with their wives fooling around. Racist, sexist, homophobic incels are what now dominates the comment section.

The only stories they cheer for are burn the bitch stories where horrific things happen to women and the guys they're with. As I've said before BTB stories are written by trash for trash. That's not moralizing, that's fact, just read them.

The category wasn't like this back when It started-Keith's citing of the description is what was here, fun, open marriage type stuff even some romance or a rocky marriage repaired, it was much more sex positive. Now its a cesspool

There is nothing erotic about that place anymore. Hate is not a kink and that is all that's there.

 

[lovecraft68]

If he thinks this is bad, then he better not go on Twitter.




.....

Zuckerberg and Facebook get all kinds of shit, but Dorsey's Twitter is second only to Reddit in being a minefield of raw mindless hate and fake outrage and lynch mob mentality. Imagine LIt's General board populated with millions of idiots instead of the 20 people with 20 alts each that exist in the GB.

Funny how Dorsey unexpectedly stepped down. Wonder if he's trying to avoid all the impending lawsuits coming Twitters way.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Zuckerberg and Facebook get all kinds of shit, but Dorsey's Twitter is second only to Reddit in being a minefield of raw mindless hate and fake outrage and lynch mob mentality. Imagine LIt's General board populated with millions of idiots instead of the 20 people with 20 alts each that exist in the GB.

Funny how Dorsey unexpectedly stepped down. Wonder if he's trying to avoid all the impending lawsuits coming Twitters way.

I thought Dorsey stepped down to spend more time plugging crypto scams.

 

[daggett]

A few times now I've stumbled on stories where the commenters savagely insult the author because they don't like how in the story, there's adultery, or a big age gap between the partners, or something else.

Y'all do know this is all made up, right?

Like, none of this actually happened.

It feels so weird that in 2022 people still want to control other people's art.

Sure, there's plenty of stories here (and everywhere else) that disgust me.

But I don't read them! Or if I do read something that I really dislike, well, I move on. I don't write a lecture to the author telling them how they're a bad person.

Maybe, maybe, maybe I could see writing something if I was genuinely offended. But there's a difference between me saying "this story really upset me" and then moving on vs me going on a crusade to harass the writer on everything they post from now on.

There's a very complex conversation to be had about whether art influences us. Like, if I write a story about how much it is to run back and forth across the freeway, and some extremely impressionable reader gets killed after reading it, well, I think I would bear a tiny bit of responsibility.

But that's a ludicrous exaggerated scenario.

This is a website for adults only with clear content descriptions. It probably shouldn't be visited by people that can't distinguish between play and real life.

Are these moralizing commenters growing in numbers? They seem to be.

I read an LW story and a commenter actually said "The marriage doomed and who gets the dog when they break up?"

 

[dmallord]

LW Trouble?

I haven't read any LW stories. From the commentary in this thread, it seems as though it would be wise to detour around that part of Literotica.

Life has enough chaos without having some twit sniping at you from some unknown corner of 'his or her' universe as payment for trying to submit a story in that realm.

So, I'll just spend my energy 'tinkling my time away' in the other portions of this site for enjoyment or submissions.

dmallord

 

[robertl]

The ones I think are hilarious are the readers who comment on a series, chapter after chapter how boring and horrible it is. One would think that if a reader thinks the story's 'boring and horrible', that the reader wouldn't continue to read and comment on every chapter.

 

[HawkerPenn]

I haven't read any LW stories. From the commentary in this thread, it seems as though it would be wise to detour around that part of Literotica.

Life has enough chaos without having some twit sniping at you from some unknown corner of 'his or her' universe as payment for trying to submit a story in that realm.

So, I'll just spend my energy 'tinkling my time away' in the other portions of this site for enjoyment or submissions.

dmallord

Please don't hesitate to sample stories in the "Loving Wives" section. When I submitted the story linked below in the "Loving Wives" section, I knew nothing of the "Hating Wives" commentariat. To avoid hateful people and comments, just avoid commenting on the stories, or comment anonymously. I will probably avoid posting future stories in "Loving (Hating?) Wives", so as to avoid trolls trashing and low-rating my submissions. I should note that I did not receive any hateful comments on my submission in "Loving Wives". As to my submission in "Illustrated Poetry", it appears that the tags added on the submission form don't 'go anywhere', so nobody gets directed there, for better or worse. At least, as far as I can tell, that's the case.

http://literotica.com/s/the-red-silk-scarf

http://literotica.com/p/sitting-in-at-blackjack-in-color

 

[Lifestyle66]

Please don't hesitate to sample stories in the "Loving Wives" section. When I submitted the story linked below in the "Loving Wives" section, I knew nothing of the "Hating Wives" commentariat. To avoid hateful people and comments, just avoid commenting on the stories, or comment anonymously. I will probably avoid posting future stories in "Loving (Hating?) Wives", so as to avoid trolls trashing and low-rating my submissions. I should note that I did not receive any hateful comments on my submission in "Loving Wives". As to my submission in "Illustrated Poetry", it appears that the tags added on the submission form don't 'go anywhere', so nobody gets directed there, for better or worse. At least, as far as I can tell, that's the case.

http://literotica.com/s/the-red-silk-scarf

http://literotica.com/p/sitting-in-at-blackjack-in-color

I think the usual LW haters aren't attacking you for the Red Silk Scarf story, because they probably don't see her hypnotized as a complicit, willing, and enthusiastic "slut" or "whore" (as they would normally call her.) And the husband is in control of her hypnotic sessions, not the usual "cuckhold" as they would normally slam him.

The haters in LW (seems the majority of those readers) don't approve of any woman willingly fucking other guys, or a husband willingly sharing his wife with other guys. But, in your story, she wasn't aware and willing, and he was conspiring to control her. So, to those haters, they might appreciate him as proactively 'Burning the bitch' in the wives.

 

[Nylonian]

That's anonymity for you. *touch wood* So far I haven't received too many nasty anon comments though. I may have jinxed myself by typing that out.

 

[eightOeights]

I love the comment section, even on my own stories. I'm surprised people don't comment more often but could be because the user base for this site leans older (30+) Feels weird being gen z among you boomers, no offense, but we grew up on the internet as sad as that sounds.

 

[Mastered_again]

In my first go round with Lit almost 20 years ago, it was the same. Seems like things haven't changed much. Not a generational thing

 

[LongDraw]

You'd have to go back to before the internet to find more mature people.

 

[njlauren]

Yeah, it is weird the moralizing in comments. It is one thing to comment on vile characters or situations, but it is another to be ranting about a couple having a threesome or an open marriage or whatever and raging about the sanctity of marriage and how the woman is a slut (of course!) or whatever. If they have a problem with that, why the hell are they reading on an erotic fiction site? Don't they realize in their Jesus freakery that they aren't supposed to be reading such prurience?

Sadly it also is a reflection of the rest of society, like where a pizza shop got firebombed because of the idiot QAnon claim that pizzerias were acting as a front for child trafficking. People have left writing on Lit because they get all kinds of threats, it is sad and pathetic (I have received threats of violence for being trans and daring to leave comments). I have been on lit a long time, and it definitely has gotten worse in recent years, the crazies have really been going at it.

I ran into this with a story I was trying to submit here. Someone wrote a story over on LW that spawned numerous variations over the last 2 years, and the original author apparently was bombarded with hate mail, threats including I suspect death threats, and they have left the site because of it. I recently wrote a dark satire of the phenomenon of this story, that was clearly satire, but because it involved someone taking revenge on those who wrote the different variations, the mods were really afraid someone would take it seriously and use it as inspiration (or at least that is what I can gather, I asked some people to read it to see why they thought it was rejected, that is what they told me. (In case anyone is curious, I posted it recently on SOL under the same name as my account here).

And obviously a lot of it comes from the 'anon' types, who hide behind that. I remember one particularly vile comment that I called out, and the person sent me a note, saying they weren't a coward, they actually posted stories on here but didn't want their comment to affect their stories so they made them anonymous (?).

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, it is weird the moralizing in comments. It is one thing to comment on vile characters or situations, but it is another to be ranting about a couple having a threesome or an open marriage or whatever and raging about the sanctity of marriage and how the woman is a slut (of course!) or whatever. If they have a problem with that, why the hell are they reading on an erotic fiction site? Don't they realize in their Jesus freakery that they aren't supposed to be reading such prurience?

Sadly it also is a reflection of the rest of society, like where a pizza shop got firebombed because of the idiot QAnon claim that pizzerias were acting as a front for child trafficking. People have left writing on Lit because they get all kinds of threats, it is sad and pathetic (I have received threats of violence for being trans and daring to leave comments). I have been on lit a long time, and it definitely has gotten worse in recent years, the crazies have really been going at it.

I ran into this with a story I was trying to submit here. Someone wrote a story over on LW that spawned numerous variations over the last 2 years, and the original author apparently was bombarded with hate mail, threats including I suspect death threats, and they have left the site because of it. I recently wrote a dark satire of the phenomenon of this story, that was clearly satire, but because it involved someone taking revenge on those who wrote the different variations, the mods were really afraid someone would take it seriously and use it as inspiration (or at least that is what I can gather, I asked some people to read it to see why they thought it was rejected, that is what they told me. (In case anyone is curious, I posted it recently on SOL under the same name as my account here).

And obviously a lot of it comes from the 'anon' types, who hide behind that. I remember one particularly vile comment that I called out, and the person sent me a note, saying they weren't a coward, they actually posted stories on here but didn't want their comment to affect their stories so they made them anonymous (?).

If lit starts refusing stories because it might lead to threats, then this site will be shut down soon.
But I do love how lit plays itself up to be progressive politically and all inclusive and for lack of a better term, the annoying word "woke." But...they have this LW category where the comments go beyond nasty and into full out hate speech. Racist, homophobic and of course misogynistic with all manner of threats of violence against women. Somehow all those comments come flying through and they refuse to address the fact the category is now a haven for incels and hate groups.

So when I read a post like yours where the mod(there is really only one for approving stories) doesn't want to post something because it could stir people up I say....hypocrite. Haters clicks are as good for business as anyone else's, maybe more seeing they get more attention.

A few years back I received a threat that them and their friends were going to find me, beat me, rape me and poor acid down my rancid cunt and record my screams. To my surprise it had an e-mail to respond to. I replied that I'm a male, not a woman, and to please come on down and attached pictures of my Karate tournament trophies, sword collection and guns. I'm an example of the adage the ones looking for trouble are no match for those who are ready for it. The keyboard warriors of today need to be pulled out of their basements to have to sling their hate to someone's face like they had to back pre net. Would cut down on a lot of bullying and hate.

Or this site actually having real standards might also do that, but why should they care what their authors and decent readers deal with when the hatemongers are just so much fun?

And never get me started on their 'rules' about rape and underage or their thinking they'\re above revenge porn and copyright laws.

 

[njlauren]

If lit starts refusing stories because it might lead to threats, then this site will be shut down soon.
But I do love how lit plays itself up to be progressive politically and all inclusive and for lack of a better term, the annoying word "woke." But...they have this LW category where the comments go beyond nasty and into full out hate speech. Racist, homophobic and of course misogynistic with all manner of threats of violence against women. Somehow all those comments come flying through and they refuse to address the fact the category is now a haven for incels and hate groups.

So when I read a post like yours where the mod(there is really only one for approving stories) doesn't want to post something because it could stir people up I say....hypocrite. Haters clicks are as good for business as anyone else's, maybe more seeing they get more attention.

A few years back I received a threat that them and their friends were going to find me, beat me, rape me and poor acid down my rancid cunt and record my screams. To my surprise it had an e-mail to respond to. I replied that I'm a male, not a woman, and to please come on down and attached pictures of my Karate tournament trophies, sword collection and guns. I'm an example of the adage the ones looking for trouble are no match for those who are ready for it. The keyboard warriors of today need to be pulled out of their basements to have to sling their hate to someone's face like they had to back pre net. Would cut down on a lot of bullying and hate.

Or this site actually having real standards might also do that, but why should they care what their authors and decent readers deal with when the hatemongers are just so much fun?

And never get me started on their 'rules' about rape and underage or their thinking they'\re above revenge porn and copyright laws.

There are differently different standards. In my case I think in part it was because the particular story in question (the infamous February Sucks in LW) stirred up so much hate and the like. It saddened me because I thought the satire I wrote about the phenomena was one of the best things I have written and people who have read it got a good laugh out of it, but it didn't matter in the end sadly. Part of the problem is I suspect they are using software to scan the pieces, I had a character say "Here's looking at you , kid" in it (and it was a husband and soon to be ex wife), and it was flagged for underage content. The funny part was the violence in my story was not vivid, it was referred to and it was within the gist of the humor in it, but the kind of stuff I have seen with horrible torture, dismemberment, leaving people to die of thirst, you name it, gets through, or as you point out the extreme of all kinds of ugly crap from racism to misogyny to anti lgbt hate, but I guess the feeling is no one would sue them over that.

 

[lovecraft68]

There are differently different standards. In my case I think in part it was because the particular story in question (the infamous February Sucks in LW) stirred up so much hate and the like. It saddened me because I thought the satire I wrote about the phenomena was one of the best things I have written and people who have read it got a good laugh out of it, but it didn't matter in the end sadly. Part of the problem is I suspect they are using software to scan the pieces, I had a character say "Here's looking at you , kid" in it (and it was a husband and soon to be ex wife), and it was flagged for underage content. The funny part was the violence in my story was not vivid, it was referred to and it was within the gist of the humor in it, but the kind of stuff I have seen with horrible torture, dismemberment, leaving people to die of thirst, you name it, gets through, or as you point out the extreme of all kinds of ugly crap from racism to misogyny to anti lgbt hate, but I guess the feeling is no one would sue them over that.

You're right on the program, that's why stories where someone says "My twelve year old dodge" gets booted.
It is what it is here, but I often wonder what's worse, the sites hypocrisy and outright lies over what it allows,. or the toadies and bootlicks that run to defend the "rules' even when