The Marxist roots of the Republican Party

[pecksniff]

Fascinating documentary.

 

[pecksniff]

Marx himself was a correspondent for Horace Greely's pro-Republican New York Tribune.

 

[Champakian]

Wiki:

The GOP was founded in 1854 by opponents of the Kansas–Nebraska Act,[11] which allowed for the potential expansion of chattel slavery into the western territories. It was simultaneously strengthened by the collapse of the Whig Party, which had previously been one of the two major parties in the country. Upon founding, the Republican party supported economic reform and classical liberalism while opposing the expansion of slavery.[12][13] Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. Under the leadership of Lincoln and a Republican Congress, slavery was banned in the United States in 1865. The GOP was generally dominant during the Third and the Fourth Party System periods. It was strongly committed to protectionism and tariffs at its founding, but grew more supportive of free trade in the 20th century.


Yeah, that just fucking screams Marxism...

In 1854 he was still pretty much an unheard of commodity, even in Germany.

The Manifesto was only six years old at the time.

 

[GothTalk]

the Republican party supported economic reform and classical liberalism while opposing the expansion of slavery.

They still do.

It's why (D)'eez hate them so very much.

 

[Champakian]

It's only lip service which is why they are always quickly voted out.


They are experts of disillusion...



Cowardly in power,
bold when not.

 

[oggbashan]

Republicans predate Marxism.

Marxism as a political theory is still taught in universities, But in practice, no country has ever applied it, not even the ones you think are the most communist of all.

 

[GothTalk]

Republicans predate Marxism.

Marxism as a political theory is still taught in universities, But in practice, no country has ever applied it, not even the ones you think are the most communist of all.

No, they applied it.

It just didn't turn out as expected.

 

[WillJ8787]

No, they applied it.

It just didn't turn out as expected.

Moron, uneducated, illiterate says what?

No, you are 100% incorrect....for the millionth time

 

[mayfly13]

You guys need to start a thread about what you understand by Marxism.

It's used in so many different ways, either out of ignorance or trying to obfuscate...
Marxism is also used like a badge of honor by the Left, or with derision by the Right.
Mohammad Marandi, Iranian academic said "Fuck Marx, he was Eurocentric and Orientalist thus colonialist." -- huh?

Another one of those chameleon terms leading to circular debates in which nobody listens to anybody.

 

[GothTalk]

Moron, uneducated, illiterate says what?

No, you are 100% incorrect....for the millionth time

No, I'm not and you can't even try to argue otherwise, thus the childish name calling.

Marxism was tried several times and it was a fucking disaster every time. Your politics are trash son, get an upgrade.

 

[mayfly13]

Marxism was tried several times and it was a fucking disaster every time. Your politics are trash son, get an upgrade.

by who, during which years?

 

[oggbashan]

by who, during which years?

Don't bother asking GothTalk. He doesn't know anything.

Marxism has NEVER been tried even by states that called themselves Marxist.

 

[Champakian]

Oh boy, another round of Clue!

Lenin
1917-19

Marxist-Leninism

And Ogg is also right, it was never called that even if it was the basal philosophy.

Soviet has meaning.

 

[WillJ8787]

No, I'm not and you can't even try to argue otherwise, thus the childish name calling.

Marxism was tried several times and it was a fucking disaster every time. Your politics are trash son, get an upgrade.

No, that is 100% incorrect but I understand you come from the school of Beavis and Butt-Head so it is true for you.

 

[WillJ8787]

Oh boy, another round of Clue!

Lenin
1917-19

Marxist-Leninism

And Ogg is also right, it was never called that even if it was the Basel philosophy.

Soviet has meaning.

Lol...45 called himself a Capitalist (using your example above) and he was no where near it. Just because folks call themselves things doesn't mean they are....are you suggesting you are this gullible.

45 called himself a "stable genius"...and you believe him. I've got an igloo for sale in south Florida for you

 

[GothTalk]

by who, during which years?

Soviet Union, 1917- 1989
N. Korea 1953-present.
Cuba

And damn near every other revolutionary socialist shit hold in the last century.

No, that is 100% incorrect but I understand you come from the school of Beavis and Butt-Head so it is true for you.

No, it's not.

That's why you still only have name calling.

No substance, no argument, nothing containing any critical thoughts of any kind.

 

[mayfly13]

Don't bother asking GothTalk. He doesn't know anything.

Marxism has NEVER been tried even by states that called themselves Marxist.

With all respect to the posters on both sides of the spectrum (they are great at Politics otherwise)
I feel that they're engaging in a bastardization of Marx, without even having read him!

From what I read, Marx was a philosopher/sociologist foremost.
and his theory of alienation was the best antidote to Freud's& demeaning, top down approach to the human mind.
His influence gave us Madame Bovary and many other literary gems.

I haven't read his political pieces,
I assumed they were deeply flawed
But I suspect that morons like Stalin and Bobo's Mao picked and adapted what suited them.

 

[GothTalk]

Don't bother asking GothTalk. He doesn't know anything.

Marxism has NEVER been tried even by states that called themselves Marxist.

LMFAO.....

IF it doesn't result in the utopia the comrades predict it wasn't REAL MARXISM!!! LOL

Same ol' song and dance the left has been doing since they realized it doesn't work the way they hoped it would.

It's been tried, it's garbage, get over it comrade.

 

[Champakian]

Will


You are speed of light stupid.

Why didn't you go with Biden proclaiming he would "unite" us?

Was it your blind partisanship or just your orange man bad fetish?

 

[WillJ8787]

Soviet Union, 1917- 1989
N. Korea 1953-present.
Cuba

And damn near every other revolutionary socialist shit hold in the last century.



No, it's not.

That's why you still only have name calling.

No substance, no argument, nothing containing any critical thoughts of any kind.

Ah, describing yourself again. Lol.
Crying like a baby.

I gotta love a failure to make it in California, then moves to a self proclaimed "cheap" State telling us all he knows economic.and political systems. Please!

 

[mayfly13]

Soviet Union, 1917- 1989
N. Korea 1953-present.
Cuba

And damn near every other revolutionary socialist shit hold in the last century.

According to your logic

If I'm gonna open a live cam session and diddle myself
trying to imitate Courbet's Sleeping Nude Woman

you're gonna say that Courbet gave rise to fat middle aged cheap porn.

 

[Champakian]

With all respect to the posters on both sides of the spectrum (they are great at Politics otherwise)
I feel that they're engaging in a bastardization of Marx, without even having read him!

From what I read, Marx was a philosopher/sociologist foremost.
and his theory of alienation was the best antidote to Freud's& demeaning, top down approach to the human mind.
His influence gave us Madame Bovary and many other literary gems.

I haven't read his political pieces,
I assumed they were deeply flawed
But I suspect that morons like Stalin and Bobo's Mao picked and adapted what suited them.

I have the Manifesto in my Library right next to two
wicked takedowns of his (incomplete) philosophy
by the extraordinary economist Ludwig von Mises.

So yeah. I've read it and it was the blueprint for every
tinhorn from Stalin to Mao to Kim to Fidel all of whom
used it as a blueprint with themselves at the helm...

 

[WillJ8787]

Will


You are speed of light stupid.

Why didn't you go with Biden proclaiming he would "unite" us?

Was it your blind partisanship or just your orange man bad fetish?

I didn't think Biden could unite anything.
I used 45 as an example....I could care less about him as he is irrelevant these days.

 

[GothTalk]

But I suspect that morons like Stalin and Bobo's Mao picked and adapted what suited them.

Amazing how that's the case EVERY SINGLE TIME a "true Marxist!!" takes over and proceeds to "progress" the nation they have into a 3rd rate shit hole.

Fantastic consistency.

Couldn't POSSIBLY be the core ideals and values are trash and his views/assessments were wrong????

NO...it must be that it's never REALLY been implemented, because if it had then clearly the egalitarian utopia would have resulted. So sayeth the true comrades!!!

 

[Champakian]

According to your logic

If I'm gonna open a live cam session and diddle myself
trying to imitate Courbet's Sleeping Nude Woman

you're gonna say that Courbet gave rise to fat middle aged cheap porn.

He most certainly gets an assist...


As I just pointed out, the guy who draws up the blueprint
is not the contractor who actually erects the structure.