Air Force Accused of Lowering Standards for Elite Unit to Accommodate Female Candidat

[AlterErgo]

Air Force Accused of Lowering Standards for Elite Unit to Accommodate Female Candidate



Military branch admits change to 'norms,' complains of 'bullying and harassment' campaign


AIR FARCE!

 

[Rightguide]

This is Biden setting us up for defeat.

 

[GothTalk]

Pretty much all the other branches do it.....the regular air force does it.

Why not USAFSO??

Equity is the goal, not combat effectiveness.....ask any democrat.

 

[LittleDixie]

"Just a Girl" by No Doubt on loop over the loudspeakers at every US military base in America.

 

[LupusDei]

If there's any meaningful difference at all, girls should be biologically superior pilots: better multitasking, physiologically higher g forces tolerance, etc...

 

[GothTalk]

If there's any meaningful difference at all, girls should be biologically superior pilots: better multitasking, physiologically higher g forces tolerance, etc...

Special Ops =/= aviation.

They're talking about operators who go out with Navy SEAL's, Army Rangers and Green Berets, Marine Raiders and their own downed pilot/POW/HVT recovery teams. In the air force that's going to be primarily PJ's and JTAC's, but I'm sure they got all kinds of special little teams like everyone else.

And the difference is so meaningful they're having to drop standards to get the equity they seek because women can't hack the male standards.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Air Force has an elite unit?

Do they get special chairs?

 

[GothTalk]

The Air Force has an elite unit?

Do they get special chairs?

PJ's.....pararescue jumpers, arguably one of the toughest SF teams in all of the military.

Like field surgeons....but can also gun fighters and tough enough to get attached to any other SOF teams.

 

[bellisarius]

PJ's.....pararescue jumpers, arguably one of the toughest SF teams in all of the military.

Like field surgeons....but can also work all the weapons like a champ and tough enough make that 8mi extract with the SEAL's/Rangers/SF team they are with.

I was about to say. I work with the PJ's out here on a regular basis. Part of their firearms training. Physically they train to same level as the SEALS or SF operators. I know that they also spend a portion of their training working in trauma sections of urban hospitals that treat a lot of gun shot wounds, and are graded on that too. The only service medical types with a higher level of medical training are the SF 'goat huggers.'

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[GothTalk]

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[Vetteman]

The Chair Force had standards?

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[Rightguide]

Special Ops =/= aviation.

They're talking about operators who go out with Navy SEAL's, Army Rangers and Green Berets, Marine Raiders and their own downed pilot/POW/HVT recovery teams. In the air force that's going to be primarily PJ's and JTAC's, but I'm sure they got all kinds of special little teams like everyone else.

And the difference is so meaningful they're having to drop standards to get the equity they seek because women can't hack the male standards.

PJs and AF controllers are trained as gunfighters as well as rescue medics fire controllers. They serve with tier one units. The first "recorded" medal of Honor in history went to an AF combat controller serving with a SEAL Team. His action was recorded with IR video on an overwatch drone. Watch it here and we can wait for Lupus Dei to tell us how we can afford to drop the standards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKMjTqdTYo

 

[GothTalk]

I was about to say. I work with the PJ's out here on a regular basis. Part of their firearms training. Physically they train to same level as the SEALS or SF operators. I know that they also spend a portion of their training working in trauma sections of urban hospitals that treat a lot of gun shot wounds, and are graded on that too. The only service medical types with a higher level of medical training are the SF 'goat huggers.'

18D, SF medics are maybe higher level of training? Probably super close. Also the hardest of the SF Q courses. They also do internships in ER's.

All the ones I ever worked with were squared away dudes.

PJs and AF controllers are trained as gunfighters as well as rescue medics fire controllers. They serve with tier one units. The first "recorded" medal of Honor in history went to an AF combat controller serving with a SEAL Team. His action was recorded with IR video on an overwatch drone. Watch it here and we can wait for Lupus Dei to tell us how we can afford to drop the standards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKMjTqdTYo

Yuuuup.

IDK if all PJ's are JTAC's but I do know not all JTAC's are PJ's.

 

[bellisarius]

18D, SF medics are maybe higher level of training? Probably super close. Also the hardest of the SF Q courses. They also do internships in ER's.

All the ones I ever worked with were squared away dudes.

My youngest brother was a 'goat hugger' and one of the fellows I work with at the range is an 18D. (I differentiate in that they haven't used goats in a while.) My brother also was HALO and Underwater Combat qualified. He served with 7th Group.

 

[GothTalk]

My youngest brother was a 'goat hugger' and one of the fellows I work with at the range is an 18D. (I differentiate in that they haven't used goats in a while.) My brother also was HALO and Underwater Combat qualified. He served with 7th Group.

Gangster....dive school is even more elite than HALO wings.

 

[bellisarius]

Gangster....dive school is even more elite than HALO wings.

Family of over achievers. Vat was Ranger and I was AMU and taught at the Sniper school before they moved it over to the 197th.

BTW, Vat is now the national champion in his weight div. Brazilian Jujitsu. He's been doing Krav Maga for a couple years now too.

 

[GothTalk]

Family of over achievers. Vat was Ranger and I was AMU and taught at the Sniper school before they moved it over to the 197th.

BTW, Vat is now the national champion in his weight div. Brazilian Jujitsu. He's been doing Krav Maga for a couple years now too.

Nice, and good for him.

Competitive fighting, as much as I love it is like snow/skateboarding as hard as I did when I was 20, it's just too high risk with all my previous injuries and plastic parts. So I'm of the mindset of saving what I've got left for that, just in case I REALLY need it.

That said I'm super thankful I can still enjoy the more low key sports that I am able to.

 

[bellisarius]

Nice. Good for him. Competitive fighting is just too high risk with all my previous injuries. So I'm of the mindset of saving what I've got left for that, just in case I need it. That said I'm super thankful I can still enjoy the more low key sports.

Yeah, he's getting long in the tooth now too. I asked him if he was going to defend his title next year and he said, "Nah, I'm retiring." *chuckle*

He entered the open div. and beat the heavyweight, and got creamed by the lightweight. I said, "those little guys are fast" He responded, "No shit."

So I told him that shooting is something you can do well into old age. He keeps saying, "I'm not that old old man" I just respond, "Yeah, but you will be sooner than you can imagine."

I can still out shoot the kid except with the AR at mid-range. He's got that damn Eotech sight. The things money can buy.

Back to the subject. My middle brother was career AF. He did fly a desk. Considering our father flew B24's over Europe I thought he kinda took the low road.

 

[Brains_N_Boobs]

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[GothTalk]

Back to the subject. My middle brother was career AF. He did fly a desk. Considering our father flew B24's over Europe I thought he kinda took the low road.

I have a cousin who went AF, did some nerd shit. Which is cool, nobody shits on him.

But in a fam full of fighter pilots and operators??? We all know..... doesn't have to be said.

My dad and my moms dad are the top overachievers though.

Dad, started as F-111WSO, got a chance to go to pilot school and went, got a viper slot and somewhere along the way he got pulled into the F-117 program in the late 80's.

And for all the hot shit and coolness of that, he said it was the most boring thing to fly. Just operating an instrument panel in the dark. Said the F-111 was terrifying and the F-16 was the most fun man and machine could have together.

Then there is my gramps, LRRP with the 101st got recruited to sf and went back with 1st SFG a few more times. We allll knew that much but not much else. Until after he died a few years ago. Granny gave me his military records, as I was scanning through them I came to find out he was fuckin' MACV-SOG.

Everyone was sitting around, sipping their coffee and whatnot....talking about how sweet he was.

Me the only one with a clue what he was really about from 65-72 and deciding to say nothing about it:
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[bellisarius]

F117, thought he was going to fly a fighter? That's funny.

I got chopped to SOG on a TDY assign. It was obvious that we were a pain in their ass and wanted nothing to do with us but it gave us the mobility we needed to do the job we needed to do. Shadows within shadows.

If you can't figure out what the end game is you have no business playing the game.

 

[GothTalk]

F117, thought he was going to fly a fighter? That's funny.

Viper= F-16, Sorry I should have used it's proper designation instead of nick name.

Since the F-117 shared most of it's avionics and control systems with the F-16 and had an air to ground attack mission set, my dad being an F-16 pilot with previous F-111 experience is how he wound up in the nighthawk program.

I got chopped to SOG on a TDY assign. It was obvious that we were a pain in their ass and wanted nothing to do with us but it gave us the mobility we needed to do the job we needed to do. Shadows within shadows.

Everyone trying to work together without stepping on each others toes was still a challenge in the 2000's.

I only know what's been written in a couple publicly available books you could get on amazon and have seen in some documentaries on the mil/history channel but I assume the middle east and N. Africa, the reality was far more wild and messy than the "official" /historical accounts.

If you can't figure out what the end game is you have no business playing the game.

Facts.