Let's stop pretending resistance to disease-containment measures is "liberty"

[oggbashan]

BiStupidin WI - Evidence?

You don't have any.

Dying WITH Covid or dying FROM Covid are equally devastating for the relatives.

Many of those dying WITH Covid wouldn't have died now except for Covid making their previous conditions impossible to survive. They could have been deprived of months or years of life - because of Covid.

But you are so stupid that your arguments are just rehashed propaganda.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Watch the Movie about Munich before comparing anyone to Neville Chamberlain.

Not happening, so please just tell me your point.

 

[HisArpy]

Not sure if I understand your tortured logic (not sure you do either, but I digress).

So if I understand you correctly, we are held accountable for the consequences of our stupid actions, but we are not to be held accountable for the consequences of our stupid speech, and any and all criticism of your position (no matter how odious) in an infringement on "free speech"?

If so, I'm afraid we'll have to disagree here.

Kinda like when you said a few months back (I'm paraphrasing here) that rape was a "victimless crime", because the vast majority of women enjoy sex and those making a claim of rape either had morning-after regret or simply hadn't learned how to enjoy sex with a man yet.

I disagreed with you then, I disagree with you now.

1. Your summary is anything but factual or even logical. My statement was that I NEVER SAID that liberty means freedom from the consequences of our actions. YOU are the one who promotes that bullshit, not me.

2. Your paraphrase is a bald faced lie and defamatory on it's face. Not that that's anything new from you. It's what you do in order to get attention.

3. Seek qualified mental health intervention. You really do need it.

 

[HisArpy]

BiStupidin WI - Evidence?

You don't have any.

Dying WITH Covid or dying FROM Covid are equally devastating for the relatives.

Many of those dying WITH Covid wouldn't have died now except for Covid making their previous conditions impossible to survive. They could have been deprived of months or years of life - because of Covid.

But you are so stupid that your arguments are just rehashed propaganda.

Oh no...... It's the "I have to get jabbed so that someone ELSE will feel better about themselves" argument all over again.


It's really pathetic how all you can do is repeat this nonsense over and over again thinking it's rational.

 

[ll74]

Why do you keep insisting on everyone getting jabbed with a “vaccine” while not accounting for the naturally acquired immunity that those like me have by surviving covid? Somewhere in the neighborhood of 130,000,000 or more than a third of all Americans got and survived, covid 19. They have better immunity than those who didn’t get it but took the “vaccine!”

The percentage of people being hospitalized that are unvaccinated continues to drop in the United States. They still may account for the majority but why is that number dropping?

Immunity wanes for everyone, including natural immunity.

 

[BidudeinWi]

BiStupidin WI - Evidence?

You don't have any.

Dying WITH Covid or dying FROM Covid are equally devastating for the relatives.

Many of those dying WITH Covid wouldn't have died now except for Covid making their previous conditions impossible to survive. They could have been deprived of months or years of life - because of Covid.

But you are so stupid that your arguments are just rehashed propaganda.

But again, how do you know it was even covid? The PCR test was used to test for covid in the United States until 12/31/2021 when it they were recalled and thus taken off the market. Those patients MAY have died from covid or MAY have died from the flu. You nor anybody else can accurately verify which the patient had.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Immunity wanes for everyone, including natural immunity.

That’s a statement of fact. Yet, the “experts” are unsure when and by how much that happens.

Did you just, egads, make a “generalization?”

 

[HisArpy]

Why do you keep insisting on everyone getting jabbed with a “vaccine” while not accounting for the naturally acquired immunity that those like me have by surviving covid? Somewhere in the neighborhood of 130,000,000 or more than a third of all Americans got and survived, covid 19. They have better immunity than those who didn’t get it but took the “vaccine!”

The percentage of people being hospitalized that are unvaccinated continues to drop in the United States. They still may account for the majority but why is that number dropping?

I don't understand why he and others keep advocating for the jab when right now the majority of people catching/spreading covid ARE ALREADY VAXXED.

The data proves them wrong on just about every point. Yet they keep going all in on the same tagline that if everyone were vaxxed, everyone would be "safe from the virus" when the truth is the exact opposite.

The virus itself has rendered the vax ineffective. Continuing on with a vaccine program despite that FACT is insane.

 

[HisArpy]

Immunity wanes for everyone, including natural immunity.

Lol.

If you survive Covid once, I'm fairly certain you'll survive it again when your natural immunity wanes in a few years from now.


Can't say that about the vax, it's already been neutralized by the virus itself.

 

[Dribble]

Immunity wanes for everyone, including natural immunity.

Fuck telling them the truth. Let them get it again. Each time being a roll of the dice. Let them die. They do not give anything to society to warrant helping them survive.

 

[LittleDixie]

In a year or so, the vaccination proponents will be doing victory laps claiming it was their vaccines that stopped the pandemic. They will write the history books and will say that through the heroic efforts of Joe Biden and the Progressives, they single handedly cured the world.

But, in reality, we will all have gotten one or another strain of the virus and attained natural immunity. The people with the vaccine will likely have a higher rate of asymptomatic or mild cases, and won't even know they caught covid. They will attribute never being on a ventilator with their jab, and will go to their graves thinking that it saved them from certain death.

Meanwhile, it will have been the human immune system that carried us through, like it has for literally every other disease in history.

 

[LittleDixie]

Let them die. They do not give anything to society to warrant helping them survive.

Tolerant leftist.

 

[BidudeinWi]

I don't understand why he and others keep advocating for the jab when right now the majority of people catching/spreading covid ARE ALREADY VAXXED.

The data proves them wrong on just about every point. Yet they keep going all in on the same tagline that if everyone were vaxxed, everyone would be "safe from the virus" when the truth is the exact opposite.

The virus itself has rendered the vax ineffective. Continuing on with a vaccine program despite that FACT is insane.

It’s illogical.

If my understanding is correct, the virus has a work-around for the “vaccine” in the form of omicron. In other words, we are being told that the “vaccines” are ineffective against omicron. Yet, they are still pushing “vaccines.” Have the “vaccines” been altered to account for omicron? Not that I know of and not that the FDA has approved. The MSM, CDC etc. are now saying that 9 out of 10 cases of covid are omicron in the United States. So, I am confused. If it doesn’t work against omicron and omicron is the dominant variant causing the explosion of cases, why would anyone agree to take a “vaccine” for no reason?

 

[oggbashan]

Not happening, so please just tell me your point.

OK. Chamberlain had a pro-nazi cabinet and many people in the UK Parliament wouldn't have supported war against Germany then. But more importantly, France wouldn't go to war either. They had literally stood aside when Hitler took back the Saarland and annexed Austria.

The British Army and Air force were unprepared for war, which Hitler wanted in 1938 because he was ready and he knew that Britain and France weren't. We had an effective navy, but not an army then, and we hadn't got enough Hurricanes or Spitfires to defeat the Luftwaffe. If there was to be war, the intention and agreement was that France would fight on land, and Britain would fight at sea. But we would have supported the French on land with the small Army we had and our inadequate air force.

But if France wouldn't fight, and the UK government wouldn't support Chamberlain? He had a very weak hand to play against Hitler.

Britain was rearming as best it could but needed time to build planes, to train an enlarged army and to equip them. Chamberlain's agreement bought that time. We still weren't ready in 1939 but better prepared than we had been in 1938. If Hitler's choice to go to war in 1938 had been possible, he would have walked through France easier than he did in 1940, and the Battle of Britain would have been lost because we didn't have enough planes or pilots.

"Peace in our time"? That was a political slogan. he couldn't have said "I've bought us time to rearm' because his government wasn't convinced that rearmament was necessary.

Given the conditions prevailing when he went to Munich he did better than should have been expected.

NOW? We (and you) need time to prevent our hospitals and their staff from being overwhelmed by Covid. If you saw the videos from Mumbai, India of covid patients in the streets outside hospitals unable to get in and relying on relations to pay top dollar for any oxygen supplies to keep them alive for a few more hours just in case the hospital could take them. That is what could happen in America if the curve of hospital admissions isn't flattened.

In the UK we already have 100,000 medical staff unable to work because they have Covid. A Covid hub is being built locally. There are doubts that it could be staffed. The ER department is already using staff from elsewhere in the hospital and struggling with the demand. When asked, the hospital's director said they would use retired NHS staff, Medical students and volunteers.

But most retired NHS staff are already working as are the medical students, so what would it be staffed with? Red Cross or St John first aiders? Bring back untrained Candy Stripers?

If we need those hubs, I pity any patient who goes to one. They will be treated by perhaps one trained professional helped by hordes of keen but useless volunteers - to do the most demanding roles.

 

[BidudeinWi]

In a year or so, the vaccination proponents will be doing victory laps claiming it was their vaccines that stopped the pandemic. They will write the history books and will say that through the heroic efforts of Joe Biden and the Progressives, they single handedly cured the world.

But, in reality, we will all have gotten one or another strain of the virus and attained natural immunity. The people with the vaccine will likely have a higher rate of asymptomatic or mild cases, and won't even know they caught covid. They will attribute never being on a ventilator with their jab, and will go to their graves thinking that it saved them from certain death.

Meanwhile, it will have been the human immune system that carried us through, like it has for literally every other disease in history.

You fail to mention the as of yet unknown, long term side effects of a “vaccine” with no long term safety data and no studies proving that the spine protein in the “vaccine “ is not harmful. A requirement for EVERY mRNA vaccine on the market, except this one.

 

[Dribble]

Tolerant leftist.

Why should I attempt to educate those that don't want educated? We are done. Those that want to know what path they should walk can ask their doctor. Or to ask if natural immunity lasts....or any other question. Give a stupid person a rope and step back. I don't hang them. They hang themselves

 

[Dribble]

It’s illogical.

If my understanding is correct, the virus has a work-around for the “vaccine” in the form of omicron. In other words, we are being told that the “vaccines” are ineffective against omicron. Yet, they are still pushing “vaccines.” Have the “vaccines” been altered to account for omicron? Not that I know of and not that the FDA has approved. The MSM, CDC etc. are now saying that 9 out of 10 cases of covid are omicron in the United States. So, I am confused. If it doesn’t work against omicron and omicron is the dominant variant causing the explosion of cases, why would anyone agree to take a “vaccine” for no reason?

Your understanding is not correct. Ask your doctor.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Did Que nazi this coming?

Tolerant leftist.

https://i.imgur.com/bg4CsDl.jpg

 

[Dribble]

https://i.imgur.com/bg4CsDl.jpg

Que is que. Alcohol use has caught up with him.

 

[oggbashan]

You fail to mention the as of yet unknown, long term side effects of a “vaccine” with no long term safety data and no studies proving that the spine protein in the “vaccine “ is not harmful. A requirement for EVERY mRNA vaccine on the market, except this one.

Both studies have been done and are still being done.

But the vaccines are far more effective against the worst effects of Covid than any possible side effects. If you understand statistics, which your posts suggest you don't, the millions of people worldwide who have been vaccinated with no severe problems except for so few they scarcely register in the data you would know that the vaccines have been demonstrated millions of times to be safe and effective at preventing deaths.

 

[BidudeinWi]

OK. Chamberlain had a pro-nazi cabinet and many people in the UK Parliament wouldn't have supported war against Germany then. But more importantly, France wouldn't go to war either. They had literally stood aside when Hitler took back the Saarland and annexed Austria.

The British Army and Air force were unprepared for war, which Hitler wanted in 1938 because he was ready and he knew that Britain and France weren't. We had an effective navy, but not an army then, and we hadn't got enough Hurricanes or Spitfires to defeat the Luftwaffe. If there was to be war, the intention and agreement was that France would fight on land, and Britain would fight at sea. But we would have supported the French on land with the small Army we had and our inadequate air force.

But if France wouldn't fight, and the UK government wouldn't support Chamberlain? He had a very weak hand to play against Hitler.

Britain was rearming as best it could but needed time to build planes, to train an enlarged army and to equip them. Chamberlain's agreement bought that time. We still weren't ready in 1939 but better prepared than we had been in 1938. If Hitler's choice to go to war in 1938 had been possible, he would have walked through France easier than he did in 1940, and the Battle of Britain would have been lost because we didn't have enough planes or pilots.

"Peace in our time"? That was a political slogan. he couldn't have said "I've bought us time to rearm' because his government wasn't convinced that rearmament was necessary.

Given the conditions prevailing when he went to Munich he did better than should have been expected.

NOW? We (and you) need time to prevent our hospitals and their staff from being overwhelmed by Covid. If you saw the videos from Mumbai, India orf covid patients in the streets outside hospitals unable to get in and relying on relations to pay top dollar for any oxygen supplies to keep them alive for a few more hours just in case the hospital could take them. That is what could happen in America if the curve of hospital admissions isn't flattened.

In the UK we already have 100,000 medical staff unable to work because they have Covid. A Covid hub is being built locally. There are doubts that it could be staffed. The ER department is already using staff from elsewhere in the hospital and struggling with the demand. When asked, the hospital's director said they would use retired NHS staff, Medical students and volunteers.

But most retired NHS staff are already working as are the medical students, so what would it be staffed with? Red Cross or St John first aiders? Bring back untrained Candy Stripers?

If we need those hubs, I pity any patient who goes to one. They will be treated by perhaps one trained professional helped by hordes of keen but useless volunteers - to do the most demanding roles.

Thanks for the history lesson. I was three credits short of a history minor in college and ALL my history classes were Nazi’s and Germany and WWI/WW2. Your correct about Chamberlain and the state of affairs the UK found itself in in 1938, 1939 and 1940. Due to war weary government “leaders” and war weary citizens, they pretended that Hitler wasn’t a fanatical and evil threat. Much COULD have been done to stop him had government “leaders” listened to their own, relatively good, intelligence. The same was true in the United States.

Here’s a question for you. You mentioned that the UK’s Navy was in good shape. Would it have been able to withstand Hitler’s U-Boats? Do you know what the U-Boat numbers were in 1938/1939?

 

[LittleDixie]

https://i.imgur.com/bg4CsDl.jpg

Remind me again which side of this issue is building concentration camps.

You think you're Captain America, but you're really the Red Skull.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Remind me again which side of this issue is building concentration camps.

You think you're Captain America, but you're really the Red Skull.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

 

[oggbashan]

...

Here’s a question for you. You mentioned that the UK’s Navy was in good shape. Would it have been able to withstand Hitler’s U-Boats? Do you know what the U-Boat numbers were in 1938/1939?

In 1938? Probably. Germany was still building them but very slowly. At the start of WW2 in 1939 Germany had 65 U-boats of which 21 were at sea. When they tried US mass production techniques much later in the war to speed up production it was a miserable failure because they didn't understand the tight tolerances necessary. None of the mass-produced U-boats ever sunk anything and most leaked as soon as they were launched. By the end of WW2 Germany had 1156 U-boats in service at some time.

BUT in 1938 the British didn't have the equipment or techniques they developed later. The fewer German U-boats might have sunk as many ships as later wolf packs because of the lack of British technical devices. 1942 was the crunch year when more U-boats were sunk, and thereafter the Allies (Inc the US navy) gradually got the upper hand over the U-Boats.

 

[ll74]

That’s a statement of fact. Yet, the “experts” are unsure when and by how much that happens.

Did you just, egads, make a “generalization?”

No, I made a statement of objective fact

Omicron is so infectious that the immunity waning doesn't need to be as much as it was with Delta. Most reports show about 6-8 months for natural immunity to wane enough Boosted folks last longer due to the increased number of antibodies.

Breakthrough cases are happening in those who have had Covid as much, if not more than those with one or two doses of vaccines from Omicron