Let's stop pretending resistance to disease-containment measures is "liberty"

[mayfly13]

So, let's say I go get the vax. Will it prevent me from getting Covid? No. Will it prevent me from spreading it to someone else (vaxxed or not)? No. Will it allow me to live without a mask? No.

Will it absolutely save me from dying from Covid? Again, no.


What was it again that makes it better for me to get vaxxed?

Makes you guys impotent.
We're overpopulated as it is.
https://sbuhb.nhs.wales/coronavirus...r/myth-6-the-vaccines-cause-impotence-in-men/

Admit it.
Rhat's why you all are so freaked out and panicked, and are refusing to take it.

 

[HisArpy]

If the general public really understood statistics, they would know that being vaccinated is the sensible thing to do to reduce the risk to you and your family members.

Anything else means believing lies and bullshit propagated by a few for unknown reasons.

Your Freedom is likely to be more constrained if too many people refuse to vaccinate, than if the vast majority do and therefore there would be no need for mandates or lockdowns.

But the stupidity of a significant proportion of the general public is depressing. Lockdowns? It's their own actions that make them necessary.

Seriously? That you believe in doing "the sensible thing" somehow overrides what I believe is "the sensible thing"?

How is that even close to "liberty" on your part?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If the general public really understood statistics, they would know that being vaccinated is the sensible thing to do to reduce the risk to you and your family members.

Anything else means believing lies and bullshit propagated by a few for unknown reasons.

Your Freedom is likely to be more constrained if too many people refuse to vaccinate, than if the vast majority do and therefore there would be no need for mandates or lockdowns.

But the stupidity of a significant proportion of the general public is depressing. Lockdowns? It's their own actions that make them necessary.

I'd get the vaccine if I hadn't contracted COVID 13 months ago. Every study I've seen says I'm still more protected than those who have gotten umpteen jabs. I consider the vaccine more of a risk right now than the virus.

 

[HisArpy]

Makes you guys impotent.
We're overpopulated as it is.
https://sbuhb.nhs.wales/coronavirus...r/myth-6-the-vaccines-cause-impotence-in-men/

Admit it.
Rhat's why you all are so freaked out and panicked, and are refusing to take it.

Well, of course! Why can't all the rest of you understand that after you're all jabbed and impotent, I'll rule the world. [insert evil laugh here]

 

[HisArpy]

I'd get the vaccine if I hadn't contracted COVID 13 months ago. Every study I've seen says I'm still more protested than those who have gotten umpteen jabs. I consider the vaccine more of a risk right now than the virus.

And of course, the narrative completely ignores deaths from complications. Or lumps those with contraindicated medial conditions based on known health hazards of the jab into the "filthy unvaxxed" category.

 

[GothTalk]

so why don't you guys just vaccinate yourselves so that we can get over all this nonsense arguments?
It's just a minor jab.

What "nonsense arguments are you speaking of???

Is it as nonsensical as your assumption that I need to get a vaccine...clearly demonstrating what an ignorant fuckwit you are??

My personal opinion is that they're all fucking cowards pissing their panties in fear of death. And that fear is making them say/do things which are absolutely ridiculous and contra health or welfare.

Seriously.

I mean I suppose I could have wound up like that had my life experiences gone a different way. If I had been lil Johnny the participation trophy wanker who actually believed all the "You can do anything you want, you're just perfect the way you are!!!" bullshit out there.

Thank god I had a tiger dad putting a boot up my ass to handle my bidnizz and be better than everyone else as though my life depended on it from zero day until age 18.

 

[Rightguide]

Have you not noticed that every republic in the world is resorting to similar measures?

Have you ever noticed how lame you are? We don't give a shit what other countries do. We are unique. The powers of our government are limited by law. Why don't you just pack up and move to those other paradises you worship?

 

[oggbashan]

Have you ever noticed how lame you are? We don't give a shit what other countries do. We are unique. The powers of our government are limited by law. Why don't you just pack up and move to those other paradises you worship?

We don't have lockdowns or mandates in England - except wearing a mask in stores and on public transport. But Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are more repressive.

 

[pecksniff]

We don't give a shit what other countries do. We are unique.

No. We're not.

 

[oggbashan]

No. We're not.

But some Americans are trying to be unique in their stupidity in face of a pandemic. Other countries have anti-vaxxers too, but a lower proportion of them.

 

[HisArpy]

No. We're not.

This right here is the root cause of your political dementia.

The United States of America is called "the American Experiment" for a reason. It's because we are indeed unique in that this nation is by and for We The People.

No other nation on earth, now or in all of mankind's history, is like the USA.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

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[HisArpy]

But some Americans are trying to be unique in their stupidity in face of a pandemic. Other countries have anti-vaxxers too, but a lower proportion of them.

Liberty means I can be a complete stupid asshole if I want. What it especially doesn't mean is that someone like you you can force me to not be a complete stupid asshole against my own wishes.

 

[RobDownSouth]

• When Barrister Timmeh doesn't have teh law on his side, he argues teh facts
• When Barrister Timmeh doesn't have teh facts on his side, he argues teh law
• When Barrister Timmeh doesn't have either teh law OR teh facts on his side, he quotes Abraham Lincoln.

*nods*

 

[Champakian]

But some Americans are trying to be unique in their stupidity in face of a pandemic. Other countries have anti-vaxxers too, but a lower proportion of them.

Very declarative statement issued with a lot of authority,
so that then constitutes truth much better than facts.

When comparing pineapples to apples, one has to ask
things like who is lying, who is a tyrannical state, and
what gives you the right to such sweeping generalization?

 

[HisArpy]

What "nonsense arguments are you speaking of???

Is it as nonsensical as your assumption that I need to get a vaccine...clearly demonstrating what an ignorant fuckwit you are??



Seriously.

I mean I suppose I could have wound up like that had my life experiences gone a different way. If I had been lil Johnny the participation trophy wanker who actually believed all the "You can do anything you want, you're just perfect the way you are!!!" bullshit out there.

Thank god I had a tiger dad putting a boot up my ass to handle my bidnizz and be better than everyone else as though my life depended on it from zero day until age 18.

I believe that this virus has indeed separated the men from the boys and the rest of the 147 different genders. As any true trial by fire usually does.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Liberty means I can be a complete stupid asshole if I want. What it especially doesn't mean is that someone like you you can force me to not be a complete stupid asshole against my own wishes.

Drunk driving laws show that there are limits to your selfish asshole behavior, i.e. "liberty" does not absolve you from teh consequences of your actions.

We're a nation of laws, dontcha know.

 

[HisArpy]

Drunk driving laws show that there are limits to your selfish asshole behavior, i.e. "liberty" does not absolve you from teh consequences of your actions.

We're a nation of laws, dontcha know.

Please notice how your complete idiocy here fails to note that I never said Liberty means "freedom from consequences."

Meanwhile you and the MSM media are all about "muh free speech!!" as if it gives you a free pass to defame and ridicule and harm those you don't even know.

 

[oggbashan]

This right here is the root cause of your political dementia.

The United States of America is called "the American Experiment" for a reason. It's because we are indeed unique in that this nation is by and for We The People.

No other nation on earth, now or in all of mankind's history, is like the USA.




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When it comes to 'liberty' measured around the world., the US is NOT top of the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

 

[BidudeinWi]

Liberty means I can be a complete stupid asshole if I want. What it especially doesn't mean is that someone like you you can force me to not be a complete stupid asshole against my own wishes.

He thinks he’s saving your life by advocating for “vaccines.” He’s Neville Chamberlain reincarnate.

 

[Champakian]

I'd be careful about citing wikipedia on something this politically charged.

They have an institutional bias, select the metrics, analyze the data and prove their beliefs.

 

[WillJ8787]

When it comes to 'liberty' measured around the world., the US is NOT top of the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

Welcome to our particular kind of stupid in the USA. Its not like this in most places as these crazy nutjobs want us to believe. Where I live, there is no mask mandate and masked are being worn by nearly everyone. About 97%. Vaccinated folks here are near 90%.

The hospital cases of Covid are all Unvaccinated. The number of folks who have died from covid, those publicly opposed to the vaccine, is now very obvious to see. Survival of the fittest and smartest is at work.

And the sauce will get richer with these dummies...it is only a matter of time before the right wingers "platform" a message that covid was designed by Dems to eliminate their political opponents.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please notice how your complete idiocy here fails to note that I never said Liberty means "freedom from consequences."

Meanwhile you and the MSM media are all about "muh free speech!!" as if it gives you a free pass to defame and ridicule and harm those you don't even know.

Not sure if I understand your tortured logic (not sure you do either, but I digress).

So if I understand you correctly, we are held accountable for the consequences of our stupid actions, but we are not to be held accountable for the consequences of our stupid speech, and any and all criticism of your position (no matter how odious) in an infringement on "free speech"?

If so, I'm afraid we'll have to disagree here.

Kinda like when you said a few months back (I'm paraphrasing here) that rape was a "victimless crime", because the vast majority of women enjoy sex and those making a claim of rape either had morning-after regret or simply hadn't learned how to enjoy sex with a man yet.

I disagreed with you then, I disagree with you now.

 

[oggbashan]

He thinks he’s saving your life by advocating for “vaccines.” He’s Neville Chamberlain reincarnate.

Watch the Movie about Munich before comparing anyone to Neville Chamberlain.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Source:
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/typhoid-fever

So, if you actually did any reading you would know that covid is killing more folks than typhoid did....but, this is what we expect from moronic posts from partisans who are spreading uninformed information at best and disinformation and out right falsehoods at worst.

"About 21 million cases of typhoid fever and 220,000 deaths occur annually worldwide"

Covid has killed more than 220,000 folks annually in just the USA....and is killing on average about 1200 to 1500 people per day right now.

Typhoid is not an issue in the USA right now due to vaccinations and is still a problem world wide in poor countries.

Your “data” ass-u-me-s that ALL those people died FROM covid. The CDC has admitted that roughly seven percent of that number died from covid alone. The rest that died, covid could have been a factor, but wasn’t the underlying cause of death, or they died and tested positive for covid. Moreover, how does ANYONE know that the deceased actually HAD covid, given that the PCR test was (because its no longer available for use in covid testing.) unable to differentiate between covid and the flu?

Let’s also remember that hospitals, because of rule changes, are financially incentivized to erroneously inflate covid numbers. They get additional dollars for positive covid tests, for venting a covid patient and if someone dies and covid is listed on the death certificate as the cause of death.

If the “covid death” numbers were adjusted to account for these statistics, I doubt the MSM and the sheeople would be hyperventilating over covid like they’ve been doing all along.

 

[BidudeinWi]

If more people volunteered to be vaccinated, no lockdowns or mandates would be required.

It is stupidity that makes such measures a probable necessity.

Why do you keep insisting on everyone getting jabbed with a “vaccine” while not accounting for the naturally acquired immunity that those like me have by surviving covid? Somewhere in the neighborhood of 130,000,000 or more than a third of all Americans got and survived, covid 19. They have better immunity than those who didn’t get it but took the “vaccine!”

The percentage of people being hospitalized that are unvaccinated continues to drop in the United States. They still may account for the majority but why is that number dropping?