Let's stop pretending resistance to disease-containment measures is "liberty"

[Cubantripod]

If more people volunteered to be vaccinated, no lockdowns or mandates would be required.

It is stupidity that makes such measures a probable necessity.

The problem isn't the non vaccinated, it's bootlickers like you. You want to give up your rights? Great. You don't get to make it for others.

 

[WillJ8787]

I'll do that when you stop pretending that Omicron is the equivalent of your examples.

Source:
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/typhoid-fever

So, if you actually did any reading you would know that covid is killing more folks than typhoid did....but, this is what we expect from moronic posts from partisans who are spreading uninformed information at best and disinformation and out right falsehoods at worst.

"About 21 million cases of typhoid fever and 220,000 deaths occur annually worldwide"

Covid has killed more than 220,000 folks annually in just the USA....and is killing on average about 1200 to 1500 people per day right now.

Typhoid is not an issue in the USA right now due to vaccinations and is still a problem world wide in poor countries.

 

[BidudeinWi]

If there had been an outbreak of typhoid in Philadelphia in 1787, no FF would have raised an eyebrow at every house with a reported case being placed under quarantine. If it were smallpox, none would have objected to universal compulsory vaccination.

Let’s stop pretending that ANY of said “measures,” work. They don’t. Provide published, peer reviewed, controlled, study links that PROVE they do, or STFU, Peckersneverstiff!

 

[pecksniff]

The problem isn't the non vaccinated, it's bootlickers like you. You want to give up your rights? Great. You don't get to make it for others.

You don't get to remain unvaccinated and infect others.

 

[BidudeinWi]

You don't get to remain unvaccinated and infect others.

Yup, he does! You also get to BE VACCINATED OVER AND OVER AND INFECT OTHERS BECAUSE YOU DO! YOUR DUMB ASS “VACCINES” DON’T STOP TRANSMISSION YOU GLIB IGNORANT DOUCHEBAG!

 

[46n2]

One day I woke up and thought I might like to truck it upstairs and throw some of my sperm upon a neighbor. She didn’t object. I mean, I’d thrown it all upon her before she woke up.

Then I left.

It’s MY body, I can do whatever I want with it.

Furthermore, I’m not sure she even owns a green card so, whatever.

And thirdly.

Trump’s an asshole. So I can do whatever I want.

 

[GothTalk]

You don't get to remain unvaccinated and infect others.

Yup....you sure do.

You can be vaccinated and do the same thing.

 

[LittleDixie]

Let me steel man their argument, because they aren't capable of doing it very well on their own.

Here's what they say. We all live in an ecosystem together, like we are all in the same swimming pool. The virus is able to swim from person to person in this pool. Some (admittedly very few) people will have a very bad reaction to the virus and die. There are some things a person can do to help prevent the spread of the virus (wearing masks, social distancing, getting vaccinated, etc.). If you don't do these things, you are opening up the vulnerable to catching the virus. Even if the masks don't prevent spread 100%, they help. Even if the vaccine does not prevent catching the virus or spreading it, it helps. At this point, any efforts we can make to slow this down can potentially save lives, and we should be responsible and respectful to those around us not to put them at risk.

^^This is the best possible way I can think of to frame their argument.

It is built on a foundation of collectivism - we're all responsible for one another and should prioritize the well being of others.

It neglects to take into account the number of people who survive the virus - instead focusing on the "one life is too many" argument. This means that even if only 1 in 200 people who catch the virus die from it, that means that it still poses a mortal threat.

It ignores the fact that slowing the transmission of the virus is meaningless, because it just spreads the infections out over a larger time.

 

[oggbashan]

If a significant number of people refuse to take sensible precautions, then a government, state of Federal, could be forced into drastic measures to prevent the spread of Covid.

If that becomes necessary, it is self-inflicted damage caused by people's stupid refusal to take precautions.

Mandates and lockdowns SHOULD be unnecessary but will come if people do not get vaccinated.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

You don't get to remain unvaccinated and infect others.

It dosn't matter if you're vaxxed or not, you can still infect others and you can still be infected. The "vaccine" is, at best, a moderately effective therapy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The problem isn't the non vaccinated, it's bootlickers like you. You want to give up your rights? Great. You don't get to make it for others.

Tomi Larhen disagrees with your short-sighted selfish sloganeering...

https://i.imgur.com/pREoA70.png

 

[oggbashan]

The problem isn't the non vaccinated, it's bootlickers like you. You want to give up your rights? Great. You don't get to make it for others.

Rights? You have the Freedum to choose to die from Covid. Vaccines would make any infection less serious.

You are a stupid idiot that will bring mandates and lockdowns on you.

I do not want lockdowns or mandates that will damage your Freedum. But the numbers remaining unvaccinated will mean Covid will stay a pandemic and not become endemic. Fool!

 

[oggbashan]

It dosn't matter if you're vaxxed or not, you can still infect others and you can still be infected. The "vaccine" is, at best, a moderately effective therapy.

Apart from anything else, being vaccinated increases your chances of surviving a Covid infection. No vaccines? If you get Covid, it's far too late. Write your will now. Your relations will need it.

 

[HisArpy]

Apart from anything else, being vaccinated increases your chances of surviving a Covid infection. No vaccines? If you get Covid, it's far too late. Write your will now. Your relations will need it.

How do you know this? Can you point to any studies which have shown that those who survived a Covid infection survived ONLY BECAUSE they were vaccinated?

Or is your statement more of the same circular reasoning which ASSUMES that people who are vaxxed will survive an infection because some of those who survive are vaxxed. This is, of course, the exact same circular reasoning (disguised as "sicience") which completely ignores all those people who are unvaxxed and who survived a Covid infection by including them in the "vaxxed" category.

Basically, the question is; how do you know it was the vax which allowed someone to survive and not natural resistance/will to live? The answer is; you don't but you tout the hive mentality narrative anyway.

 

[oggbashan]

How do you know this? Can you point to any studies which have shown that those who survived a Covid infection survived ONLY BECAUSE they were vaccinated?

Or is your statement more of the same circular reasoning which ASSUMES that people who are vaxxed will survive an infection because some of those who survive are vaxxed. This is, of course, the exact same circular reasoning (disguised as "sicience") which completely ignores all those people who are unvaxxed and who survived a Covid infection by including them in the "vaxxed" category.

Basically, the question is; how do you know it was the vax which allowed someone to survive and not natural resistance/will to live? The answer is; you don't but you tout the hive mentality narrative anyway.

All UK government sources which you can google for yourself, insist that the vaccinated have a far better chance of survival than those (the majority of those in UK hospitals now) who have not been vaccinated. You are denying reality. Most of the vaccinated who get covid don't need hospital treatment.

 

[HisArpy]

All UK government sources which you can google for yourself, insist that the vaccinated have a far better chance of survival than those (the majority of those in UK hospitals now) who have not been vaccinated. You are denying reality. Most of the vaccinated who get covid don't need hospital treatment.

Most of those who get Covid don't need hospital treatment regardless of vax status, so what's your point?

Plus; how does that respond to my point that you're saying that only the vax "saved them." Please provide proof to support that conclusion. I'll accept ANY study in which people who'd already died from Covid were then saved by them subsequently getting the vax as evidence that it's ONLY the vax saving lives and not natural immunity/will to survive.

 

[GothTalk]

Most of those who get Covid don't need hospital treatment regardless of vax status,

I really don't understand how they keep this much hype up for so long.


You would have thought Covid was just liquifying folks instantly with a 99.74% death rate (instead of a survival rate) that was the bringer of the fucking apocalypse with the way the hypochondriacs all speak of it.

 

[GothTalk]

Tomi Larhen disagrees with your short-sighted selfish sloganeering...

https://i.imgur.com/pREoA70.png

Tomi Larhen is talking about a vaccine that actually works to prevent the spread of disease.

Unlike the latest big Pharma products you're shilling for.

 

[oggbashan]

Most of those who get Covid don't need hospital treatment regardless of vax status, so what's your point?

Plus; how does that respond to my point that you're saying that only the vax "saved them." Please provide proof to support that conclusion. I'll accept ANY study in which people who'd already died from Covid were then saved by them subsequently getting the vax as evidence that it's ONLY the vax saving lives and not natural immunity/will to survive.

My point is that the majority of people requiring hospital treatment in the UK now are NOT vaccinated. (Last figure I saw was 61%) Yes, you can survive Covid whether you are vaccinated or not, but if you get a severe case that needs hospital treatment, if you had been vaccinated, you are likely to walk out of the hospital. If you were NOT vaccinated, your chance of leaving in a coffin is much higher. It is a balance of risk and not being vaccinated stacks the odds against you unnecessarily.

 

[mayfly13]

I really don't understand how they keep this much hype up for so long.


You would have thought Covid was just liquifying folks instantly with a 99.74% death rate (instead of a survival rate) that was the bringer of the fucking apocalypse with the way the hypochondriacs all speak of it.

so why don't you guys just vaccinate yourselves so that we can get over all this nonsense arguments?
It's just a minor jab.

 

[HisArpy]

I really don't understand how they keep this much hype up for so long.


You would have thought Covid was just liquifying folks instantly with a 99.74% death rate (instead of a survival rate) that was the bringer of the fucking apocalypse with the way the hypochondriacs all speak of it.

My personal opinion is that they're all fucking cowards pissing their panties in fear of death. And that fear is making them say/do things which are absolutely ridiculous and contra health or welfare.

 

[HisArpy]

so why don't you guys just vaccinate yourselves so that we can get over all this nonsense arguments?
It's just a minor jab.

So, let's say I go get the vax. Will it prevent me from getting Covid? No. Will it prevent me from spreading it to someone else (vaxxed or not)? No. Will it allow me to live without a mask? No.

Will it absolutely save me from dying from Covid? Again, no.


What was it again that makes it better for me to get vaxxed?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Apart from anything else, being vaccinated increases your chances of surviving a Covid infection. No vaccines? If you get Covid, it's far too late. Write your will now. Your relations will need it.

That I agree with. But getting COVID and spreading it are two things even the vaccinated do, and there's some evidence they do it more efficienty than we non-vaxed.

 

[oggbashan]

If the general public really understood statistics, they would know that being vaccinated is the sensible thing to do to reduce the risk to you and your family members.

Anything else means believing lies and bullshit propagated by a few for unknown reasons.

Your Freedom is likely to be more constrained if too many people refuse to vaccinate, than if the vast majority do and therefore there would be no need for mandates or lockdowns.

But the stupidity of a significant proportion of the general public is depressing. Lockdowns? It's their own actions that make them necessary.

 

[RobDownSouth]

93% Good 91% Bad

Tomi Larhen is talking about a vaccine that actually works to prevent the spread of disease.

Unlike the latest big Pharma products you're shilling for.

Yes yes, "that's DIFFERENT!"

The MMR vaccine for measles has been proven to be 93% effective against measles.

Is that your definition for "actually works"?

The Pfizer Covid vaccine has a clinical efficacy rate of 95%, and a "real world" efficacy rate of 91%.

You seem to be claiming that the Covid 19 vaccine "doesn't work".

The only real difference I see here is that the latter vaccine runs contrary to your Toxic Shitsludge Agenda.

Try and include some verifiable data in your inevitable reply rant, Karean.