Florida Giving CRT the Hard Goodbye

[Rightguide]

That ain't CRT.

You need to study it, as I did. Then you'd know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[The_Trouvere]

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Pud is wrong.......again.

Hillary was pretty specific about the kind of subhuman scum she classified as "Deplorable".

"Racist" was the first type of human scum she identified as qualifying for "Deplorable" status.

/lesson

Racists are not sub human scum. White racism is an understandable response to sub human scum.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Sorry, the difference is still unclear, particularly the difference between what is "taught" and what is "done" in a classroom.

Curriculum is what is taught. Pedagogy is how it is taught. One can teach 9th grde English using Shakespeare's 'Romeo and Juliet" or "Ibram kendi's "Stamped." One can teach math with neutral word problems or ones that deliver a critical theory message along with the math. One can teach history straight, or use the discredited 1619 Project.

 

[butters]

Racists are not sub human scum. White racism is an understandable response to sub human scum.

the ignorant mindset you embody continues to die out with each new generation

of course, more little children will be indoctrinated into your belief-set but fewer and fewer as time moves on as the modern global world continues to share knowledge, insight, perspectives.

your eventual death will be just one more dinosaur blinking out of existence.

 

[pecksniff]

Curriculum is what is taught. Pedagogy is how it is taught. One can teach 9th grde English using Shakespeare's 'Romeo and Juliet" or "Ibram kendi's "Stamped." One can teach math with neutral word problems or ones that deliver a critical theory message along with the math. One can teach history straight, or use the discredited 1619 Project.

No, that doesn't clear up the difference any.

 

[pecksniff]

the ignorant mindset you embody continues to die out with each new generation

of course, more little children will be indoctrinated into your belief-set but fewer and fewer as time moves on as the modern global world continues to share knowledge, insight, perspectives.

your eventual death will be just one more dinosaur blinking out of existence.

Trouvere is the now-unusual sort of racist who still buys the old racial pseudoscience about the hereditary mental inferiority of blacks. There are some academics, dismissed as cranks by others in their fields, who still hold to that and will cite statistics, etc., which gives the position some little cachet of scientific support. But, this form of almost-rational racism is now trivial in social importance.

Of much greater danger is the kind of racism -- represented here, occasionally, by renard ruse -- that conceives of races, or at least the white race, as extended-family units to which a member should be loyal, as to one's country, and which are in a kind of zero-sum Darwinian competition with each other. That's what "white nationalism" is all about. It is also what Hitler's world-view was all about, except that he conceived of nationalities as "races" in those terms -- which kind of was implied all along, in nationalist thinking as it emerged in Europe in the early 19th Century.

That is not what CRT is about. It is entirely compatible with both coexistence and intermarriage between socially-defined "racial" groups.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No, that doesn't clear up the difference any.

I've seen the apt comparison to salt: It's in all the food, but it's not on the menu.

Example:

District officials from Los Angeles, San Diego, and other California school districts created “Equitable Math.” This math curriculum opens with recommendations for “critical approaches to dismantling white supremacy in math classrooms” and encourages “critical praxis” (the use of CRT in teaching practices).18
Equitable Math, “Stride 1: A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction,” pp. 1, 3, and 10, https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11​/1_STRIDE1.pdf (accessed July 7, 2021).

“White supremacy” is mentioned 54 times in the curriculum’s first handbook, with no mention of addition, subtraction, or any other skills. Portland Public Schools, home to the Critical Race Theory Coalition mentioned above, is using the curriculum.

 

[Lazaran]

the ignorant mindset you embody continues to die out with each new generation

of course, more little children will be indoctrinated into your belief-set but fewer and fewer as time moves on as the modern global world continues to share knowledge, insight, perspectives.

your eventual death will be just one more dinosaur blinking out of existence.

The Trouvere was exposed for what he/she truly is very easily.

Truth is, Pud and The Trouvere are exactly the same kind of racist scum, but The Trouvere is just more honest about it.

Pud is actually worse IMHO, because he cloaks himself in the mantle of being a right fighter against "the scourge of CRT ", while perpetuating the myth that general racial inequity in America ISN'T the result of historic and entrenched systemic racial discrimination and disenfranchisement against BIPOC.

That ^ is saying something, because it's extremely difficult to be a worse piece of racist scum than The Trouvere.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

The Trouvere was exposed for what he/she truly is very easily.

Truth is, Pud and The Trouvere are exactly the same kind of racist scum, but The Trouvere is just more honest about it.

Pud is actually worse IMHO, because he cloaks himself in the mantle of being a right fighter against "the scourge of CRT ", while perpetuating the myth that general racial inequity in America ISN'T the result of historic and entrenched systemic racial discrimination and disenfranchisement against BIPOC.

That ^ is saying something, because it's extremely difficult to be a worse piece of racist scum than The Trouvere.

JFC

SAD!!!

Why thank you, Laz. Being held in low regard by a "man" like you is a true honor. I do understand your eagerness to avoid direct interaction with me, however. You know I'dflay you like a fish, and you're well aware of your limitations. So please, keep talking over our heads as if you were some respected judge here. It's sadly comical.

 

[Lazaran]

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Pud is obviously bothered AND triggered by the truth.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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Pud is obviously bothered AND triggered by the truth.

JFC

SAD!!!

So, Laz, where is there "systemic rcism" today? How do you know?

 

[pecksniff]

Truth is, Pud and The Trouvere are exactly the same kind of racist scum, but The Trouvere is just more honest about it.

Not quite the same kind -- see post #281.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Sorry, the difference is still unclear, particularly the difference between what is "taught" and what is "done" in a classroom.

Que understands it as well as he understands CRT.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Not quite the same kind -- see post #281.

See? You're really getting the spirit of CRT. One of the axioms is the any attemt to examine CRT or its premises is racist. Well done!

 

[pecksniff]

See? You're really getting the spirit of CRT. One of the axioms is the any attemt to examine CRT or its premises is racist. Well done!

I'm sure you would not think of denying that you are a racist of the second type described -- loyal to the white race as such.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I'm sure you would not think of denying that you are a racist of the second type described -- loyal to the white race as such.

According to CRT, I am a racist because I'm not an anti-racist...I do not see any virtue in destroying our society's tinstitutions, which is of course the goal.

Do I think there may be some lingering effects from when racism was institutional? Yes, that's possible. But I also think that 60 years of policy that has tilted the playing field in the opposite direction have done immense harm to everyone, including our institutions and black Americans alike.

 

[pecksniff]

According to CRT, I am a racist because I'm not an anti-racist...I do not see any virtue in destroying our society's tinstitutions, which is of course the goal.

No, that is not the goal.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No, that is not the goal.

I can't tell if you're ignorant or a liar. I'll let you clarify that. In the meantime, here's a bit on the goals of RT:

"The term “dismantle” appears frequently in the Critical Social Justice literature, nearly always in the context of a declared immediate imperative to dismantle the (usually intersecting) systems of power, dominance, and oppression that allegedly plague our societies. These include racism, sexism, homophobia and heteronormativity, transphobia and cisnormativity, ableism and disableism, fatphobia and thin-normativity, patriarchy, misogyny, and white supremacy, to name a few. The goal is to tear down (dismantle) these systems, which, Critical Social Justice holds, can only be done by tearing down the system they are embedded in that creates, maintains, inscribes, and re-inscribes them.

"In fact, Critical Social Justice does not hold that these unjust systems merely plague our societies; they insist that they are woven into the fabric of our societies. Thus, the call to dismantle the “existing systems of dominance and oppression” is little more than a thinly veiled call for social revolution to replace the liberal order (that which should be dismantled) for a new critical order (arranged “self-critically” in accordance with Theory—see also, critical and Critical Theory). "

 

[pecksniff]

I can't tell if you're ignorant or a liar. I'll let you clarify that. In the meantime, here's a bit on the goals of RT:

"The term “dismantle” appears frequently in the Critical Social Justice literature, nearly always in the context of a declared immediate imperative to dismantle the (usually intersecting) systems of power, dominance, and oppression that allegedly plague our societies. These include racism, sexism, homophobia and heteronormativity, transphobia and cisnormativity, ableism and disableism, fatphobia and thin-normativity, patriarchy, misogyny, and white supremacy, to name a few. The goal is to tear down (dismantle) these systems, which, Critical Social Justice holds, can only be done by tearing down the system they are embedded in that creates, maintains, inscribes, and re-inscribes them.

"In fact, Critical Social Justice does not hold that these unjust systems merely plague our societies; they insist that they are woven into the fabric of our societies. Thus, the call to dismantle the “existing systems of dominance and oppression” is little more than a thinly veiled call for social revolution to replace the liberal order (that which should be dismantled) for a new critical order (arranged “self-critically” in accordance with Theory—see also, critical and Critical Theory). "

1. Where are you quoting that from?

2. None of that amounts to "destroying our society's institutions." The process described is too gradual. It would be a matter of transforming our society's institutions. And not in any objectionable way.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

1. Where are you quoting that from?

2. None of that amounts to "destroying our society's institutions." The process described is too gradual. It would be a matter of transforming our society's institutions. And not in any objectionable way.

1. Newdiscourses.com

2. They aren't interested in incremental change, but revolution. These are communists, remember?

"Critical Race Theory refers to that vision as “traditional approaches to civil rights” and calls it into question. The Civil Rights Movement called for living up to the foundational promises of the United States (and other free nations) and incrementally changing the system so that those original ideals were met. Critical Race Theory rejects incrementalism in favor of revolution. It rejects the existing system and demands replacing it with its own. It rejects the liberal order and all that goes with it as being part of the system which must be dismantled and replaced. It is therefore fundamentally different than the Civil Rights Movement (and is explicitly anti-liberal and anti-equality)."

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

1. Newdiscourses.com

2. They aren't interested in incremental change, but revolution. These are communists, remember?

"Critical Race Theory refers to that vision as “traditional approaches to civil rights” and calls it into question. The Civil Rights Movement called for living up to the foundational promises of the United States (and other free nations) and incrementally changing the system so that those original ideals were met. Critical Race Theory rejects incrementalism in favor of revolution. It rejects the existing system and demands replacing it with its own. It rejects the liberal order and all that goes with it as being part of the system which must be dismantled and replaced. It is therefore fundamentally different than the Civil Rights Movement (and is explicitly anti-liberal and anti-equality)."

Now CRT is communism??
Cite please.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Now CRT is communism??
Cite please.

Always was.

“Our analysis of social justice is based on a school of thought known as Critical Theory. Critical Theory refers to a body of scholarship that examines how society works, and is a tradition that emerged in the early part of the 20th century from a group of scholars at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany (because of this, this body of scholarship is sometimes also called “the Frankfurt School”). These theorists offered an examination and critique of society and engaged with questions about social change. Their work was guided by the belief that society should work toward the ideals of equality and social betterment.

“Many influential scholars worked at the Institute, and many other influential scholars came later but worked in the Frankfurt School tradition. You may recognize the names of some of these scholars, such as Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Jürgen Habermas, Walter Benjamin, and Herbert Marcuse. Their scholarship is important because it is part of a body of knowledge that builds on other social scientists’ work: Emile Durkheim’s research questioning the infallibility of the scientific method, Karl Marx’s analyses of capitalism and social stratification, and Max Weber’s analyses of capitalism and ideology. All of these strands of thought built on one another.” From Is Everyone Really Equal?, by Özlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo, second edition, p. 50.

And, of course, Gramsci is in the mix, too.

 

[pecksniff]

“Our analysis of social justice is based on a school of thought known as Critical Theory. Critical Theory refers to a body of scholarship that examines how society works, and is a tradition that emerged in the early part of the 20th century from a group of scholars at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany (because of this, this body of scholarship is sometimes also called “the Frankfurt School”). These theorists offered an examination and critique of society and engaged with questions about social change. Their work was guided by the belief that society should work toward the ideals of equality and social betterment.

“Many influential scholars worked at the Institute, and many other influential scholars came later but worked in the Frankfurt School tradition. You may recognize the names of some of these scholars, such as Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Jürgen Habermas, Walter Benjamin, and Herbert Marcuse. Their scholarship is important because it is part of a body of knowledge that builds on other social scientists’ work: Emile Durkheim’s research questioning the infallibility of the scientific method, Karl Marx’s analyses of capitalism and social stratification, and Max Weber’s analyses of capitalism and ideology. All of these strands of thought built on one another.” From Is Everyone Really Equal?, by Özlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo, second edition, p. 50.

And, of course, Gramsci is in the mix, too.

I'm familiar with those names -- in connection with "Cultural Marxism."

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Always was.

“Our analysis of social justice is based on a school of thought known as Critical Theory. Critical Theory refers to a body of scholarship that examines how society works, and is a tradition that emerged in the early part of the 20th century from a group of scholars at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany (because of this, this body of scholarship is sometimes also called “the Frankfurt School”). These theorists offered an examination and critique of society and engaged with questions about social change. Their work was guided by the belief that society should work toward the ideals of equality and social betterment.

“Many influential scholars worked at the Institute, and many other influential scholars came later but worked in the Frankfurt School tradition. You may recognize the names of some of these scholars, such as Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Jürgen Habermas, Walter Benjamin, and Herbert Marcuse. Their scholarship is important because it is part of a body of knowledge that builds on other social scientists’ work: Emile Durkheim’s research questioning the infallibility of the scientific method, Karl Marx’s analyses of capitalism and social stratification, and Max Weber’s analyses of capitalism and ideology. All of these strands of thought built on one another.” From Is Everyone Really Equal?, by Özlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo, second edition, p. 50.

And, of course, Gramsci is in the mix, too.

Nothing in there says CRT is communism. Do you have an actual cite to back up your wild assertion?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I'm familiar with those names -- in connection with "Cultural Marxism."

Yep. They realized that capitalism wasn't producing the worker's revolution, but making the lives of workers better and better. So did they throw up their hands and give prise to capitalism for making the lives of the beloved worker easy?

Hardly. Because they never did give a shit about the worker. He's just like the black man is today: An excuse for revolution and cannon fodder for the struggle.