Amazon workers.... you're just another body that gets used up

[butters]

workers complain after the deaths of 2 colleagues... told not to talk about it but to get back to work, no silence, no prayer. 2 die within hours of eachother at same alabama plant

the man who suffered a stroke had been on the night shift in his department, and "had died on the job."

"He had gone to HR and said, 'I'm not feeling so well, can I please go home?'" said Thomas, explaining that many Amazon warehouse workers don't have enough unpaid time off, and have a fear of being dismissed if they take time off beyond their allotted days. "And this dude, he didn't have enough [unpaid time off] to go home… And so, they're effectively telling him, you either go home and lose your job, or you just stay here and keep working through the pain. And that's what he did."

"You're a body. Once that body's used up, they'll just bring somebody else in and do the work."

Workers at Amazon's Bessemer warehouse attempted to unionise in April under the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU), but the effort was defeated with 1798 votes against to 738 for. The RWDSU told Mashable that it worked with More Perfect Union to release the report, but declined to comment further, citing a desire for focus to remain on the workers' stories.

The National Labor Relations Board found that Amazon illegally interfered with the union vote by intimidating workers, and ordered a revote on Nov. 29 — the same day one of the Bessemer warehouse workers allegedly died.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...-hours-of-each-other/ar-AAS4AgO?ocid=msedgntp

 

[pecksniff]

"You're not men to the Company, you're equipment."

-- Matewan

 

[GothTalk]

People die.....

https://i.imgur.com/z1TAq3U.gif

"You're not men to the Company, you're equipment."

-- Matewan

Thus the paycheck.

 

[Champakian]

Butters: a mind that never gets used up through lack of use...

 

[mayfly13]

Amazon fucked itself in the bum this time.

Should HR/management have allowed him go home, he quite likely wouldn't have died ON THE JOB (stress is a major factor that tips things over, in the case of stroke).

I hope that his wife gets a good lawyer to get millions out of them.
These psychopaths only listen to the language of money.

 

[Earthlyone]

Not every individual can have a career. Life's a bitch, it's up to us all with our decision making and life choices to make the best of our lives, those that have the right stuff will have fulfilling careers and those that don't will end up as worker ants. The left will NEVER get this through their skulls.

 

[LittleDixie]

Is anyone suggesting that amazon caused this guy to have a stroke?

Too many people fail to understand that people make agreements on things and they are really only bound to the specifics of that agreement.

As an employer, amazon hires people to do work at an agreed upon wage under agreed upon conditions. There is no implied agreement "Oh, and in addition to all the things we put in writing, don't worry, we'll never let you get a stroke and you'll always be happy and you'll never want more money."

The workers at amazon can quit at any time. If their job sucks, then they should quit.

Them not being able to quit or not wanting to find another job does not mean that their employer has more responsibilities.

I will pay you X for Y work. Do you agree to these terms or not?

It's just that simple.

 

[Champakian]

Of course, Amazon was responsible for monitoring his health,
lifestyle, diet, habitat, home, auto, marriage, progeny...,

 

[mayfly13]

Is anyone suggesting that amazon caused this guy to have a stroke?

Too many people fail to understand that people make agreements on things and they are really only bound to the specifics of that agreement.

As an employer, amazon hires people to do work at an agreed upon wage under agreed upon conditions. There is no implied agreement "Oh, and in addition to all the things we put in writing, don't worry, we'll never let you get a stroke and you'll always be happy and you'll never want more money."

The workers at amazon can quit at any time. If their job sucks, then they should quit.

Them not being able to quit or not wanting to find another job does not mean that their employer has more responsibilities.

I will pay you X for Y work. Do you agree to these terms or not?

It's just that simple.

Forcing yourself to work through your symptoms /unwellness is stress enough to tip over a an impending heart attack or stroke.


This is your 2nd stupid comment for the day.

Single motherhood is a bad decision, you say. So would abortion be a better decision?

 

[Champakian]

You miss the bigger point.

The only one who can force you to work to the detriment of your health is you.

Disability is not that hard to get if a little work is going to kill you...

 

[Champakian]

What if they were super lenient and every time someone
just didn't "feel" like working, they could just take an
extended paid break? Could Amazon stay in business?
Would you be willing to bear the prices of that cost
when you purchase their products?

Lower prices lead to more purchases
individually and in the aggregate...

It also implies increased employment.

 

[mayfly13]

You miss the bigger point.

The only one who can force you to work to the detriment of your health is you.

Disability is not that hard to get if a little work is going to kill you...

I think we're disagreeing on our understanding of what exactly happened.


You're assuming that he was experiencing a benign stomach pain or joint pain for which he wasn't granted leave. And that, unrelated to that, he later on suffered a stroke.
In this case, it's a grey area.


But I suspect that he was experiencing the signs of a pre-stroke for which he asked to stopped working, which they denied.
It's like you tell your employer "I'm having acute chest pain which travels to my arm", and your employer tells you "fuck you, go back to work".

 

[mayfly13]

Unlike corporate America, over here they take employees acute health concerns seriously.

Not because the system is less croney than the American one.
It's because the way the laws are written, if you don't make accomodations for health, you're fucked.

 

[LittleDixie]

I think we're disagreeing on our understanding of what exactly happened.


You're assuming that he was experiencing a benign stomach pain or joint pain for which he wasn't granted leave. And that, unrelated to that, he later on suffered a stroke.
In this case, it's a grey area.


But I suspect that he was experiencing the signs of a pre-stroke for which he asked to stopped working, which they denied.
It's like you tell your employer "I'm having acute chest pain which travels to my arm", and your employer tells you "fuck you, go back to work".

Even if that did happen, the employee did not take his symptoms serious enough to take control of his own life and go to the hospital, did he?

The employee was told the agreement by the employer and the employee had a choice:

Go to the hospital
Get back to work

No one pointed a gun to his head. No one handcuffed him to his work station. No one took his keys. No one locked the doors.

The employee CHOSE to stay. Over all of the consequences, over all of the risk, the employee decided to stay on the job.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I've never worked somewhere with an HR department. Do they tie employees to their stations?

If you're not feeling well, why not go home?

 

[LittleDixie]

Forcing yourself to work through your symptoms /unwellness is stress enough to tip over a an impending heart attack or stroke.

Forcing yourself to work through your symptoms /unwellness

Forcing yourself

See what you wrote here? How is this another person's fault?

 

[mayfly13]

Even if that did happen, the employee did not take his symptoms serious enough to take control of his own life and go to the hospital, did he?

The employee was told the agreement by the employer and the employee had a choice:

Go to the hospital
Get back to work

No one pointed a gun to his head. No one handcuffed him to his work station. No one took his keys. No one locked the doors.

The employee CHOSE to stay. Over all of the consequences, over all of the risk, the employee decided to stay on the job.

I won't engage you any longer.
I find the combination of your Right-winger-ishnness ,compounded by stupid comments to be annoying afk.

 

[Champakian]

I think we're disagreeing on our understanding of what exactly happened.


You're assuming that he was experiencing a benign stomach pain or joint pain for which he wasn't granted leave. And that, unrelated to that, he later on suffered a stroke.
In this case, it's a grey area.


But I suspect that he was experiencing the signs of a pre-stroke for which he asked to stopped working, which they denied.
It's like you tell your employer "I'm having acute chest pain which travels to my arm", and your employer tells you "fuck you, go back to work".

Here's what you don't understand...


HE WASN'T IN THE ARMY and thusly
was free to leave at any point in time.

There wasn't a fence, armed guards or
chains to keep him at his work station.

He should have gone to the ER and
then they could not have fired him
with cause (without a lawsuit).

HE must have felt that wasn't all that urgent.

 

[mayfly13]

I've never worked somewhere with an HR department. Do they tie employees to their stations?

If you're not feeling well, why not go home?

https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1473765015689863176


Apparently they told him that if he goes home, he'll be fired (Amazon doesn't offer enough unpaid sick hours)

Two of his colleagues were shaken by his death and asked to go home. They were told the same.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Ah, life in america, where the unskilled labourers are disposable.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I've never worked somewhere with an HR department. Do they tie employees to their stations?

If you're not feeling well, why not go home?

He tried to but they said no. I guess he felt the need to preserve his job to provide for his family. Shame on him. He should be more like AJ and mooch off the govt and his wife. I heard the rent a gook loves her job long time.

 

[GothTalk]

Amazon fucked itself in the bum this time.

Should HR/management have allowed him go home, he quite likely wouldn't have died ON THE JOB (stress is a major factor that tips things over, in the case of stroke).

I hope that his wife gets a good lawyer to get millions out of them.
These psychopaths only listen to the language of money.

No, it didn't.

No....Amazon doesn't "allow" shit. They're just a shipping company for an online market.

Is anyone suggesting that amazon caused this guy to have a stroke?

Too many people fail to understand that people make agreements on things and they are really only bound to the specifics of that agreement.

As an employer, amazon hires people to do work at an agreed upon wage under agreed upon conditions. There is no implied agreement "Oh, and in addition to all the things we put in writing, don't worry, we'll never let you get a stroke and you'll always be happy and you'll never want more money."

The workers at amazon can quit at any time. If their job sucks, then they should quit.

Them not being able to quit or not wanting to find another job does not mean that their employer has more responsibilities.

I will pay you X for Y work. Do you agree to these terms or not?

It's just that simple.

Personal responsibility is a forign concept to most, to an extreme degree on the left....that's why they are always busy trying to blame anyone and anything to alleviate the life choices that someone makes.

Of course, Amazon was responsible for monitoring his health,
lifestyle, diet, habitat, home, auto, marriage, progeny...,

Yup..... total aversion to personal responsibility.

It's McDonald's fault fat fucks can't control themselves.

It's corporate America's fault "poor" people are shit with their money.

It's that damn Marylin Manson, of course Trump, violent video games and gun manufacturers fault that kid went and shot up the school, totally not the parents or the shooters fault.

On and on and on.... responsibility is fuckin' kryptonite to these people.

Forcing yourself to work through your symptoms /unwellness is stress enough to tip over a an impending heart attack or stroke.


This is your 2nd stupid comment for the day.

Life is stressful, that's why we work out to strengthen ourselves against it.

And even if you do, sometimes the body just gives out.

But I suspect that he was experiencing the signs of a pre-stroke for which he asked to stopped working, which they denied.
It's like you tell your employer "I'm having acute chest pain which travels to my arm", and your employer tells you "fuck you, go back to work".

If you're having a medical emergency call 911, my fucking 5 year old knows this.

Amazon is not responsible for this guys stroke.

Unlike corporate America, over here they take employees acute health concerns seriously.

Not because the system is less croney than the American one.
It's because the way the laws are written, if you don't make accomodations for health, you're fucked.

Good for you and whatever hellish nanny state you live in.

Liberals in America are pro-liberty, that means personal responsibility.

If you don't take care of yourself, well, that's on you. Gawd bless M'uricuh.

See what you wrote here? How is this another person's fault?

It's the same kind of mentality that employment is slavery and exploitation.

It's nuttier than squirrel shit.

 

[Chernosoth]

This is one of very many examples of Amazon being cruel in its wage slavery. It has leverage to enforce wage slavery by killing many local retail businesses. People who want cheap prices and convenient home delivery will always have excuses. They can stop making excuses in a few years when fuel is too expensive for home delivery, or when so many people die that it can't hire workers who are desperate enough to work there.

 

[Wifetheif]

This is one of very many examples of Amazon being cruel in its wage slavery. It has leverage to enforce wage slavery by killing many local retail businesses. People who want cheap prices and convenient home delivery will always have excuses. They can stop making excuses in a few years when fuel is too expensive for home delivery, or when so many people die that it can't hire workers who are desperate enough to work there.

I actually worked in an Amazon fulfillment warehouse for a number of months. The WORST place I ever worked for in my life! I'm a bit older but in good shape. The work itself requires attention to detail and being quick on your feet. THAT I have no objection to. HOWEVER, they micromanage you to death. Don't you DARE take a bathroom break before the scheduled break time! I was improperly trained, entire sections of the building were unknown to me, yet I was sent there to do work I was absolutely clueless about, fell behind. Somehow this was MY fault! My supervisor recieved NO penalty for improperly training me. Instead, I got written up! F.Y! I've worked for some real A-holes over the years but the jerks supervising me were the most titanic.
The money was OK, but I did better elsewhere. I hated how I felt when I came home every morning. I work now for a non-profit at sub-minimum wage. I've never been happier.

 

[pecksniff]

Is anyone suggesting that amazon caused this guy to have a stroke?

Yes, of course.