Florida Giving CRT the Hard Goodbye

[SgtSpiderMan]

Right as usual, Private:

A July survey by EducationWeek found that barely a year after the murder of George Floyd by a Minnesota cop, 8% of K-12 teachers said they have taught or discussed CRT with students; the figure for teachers in urban schools is much higher: 20%.

Meanwhile, the Association of American Educators found in July that 4.1% of teachers were actually required to teach critical race theory, and 11% said that teaching CRT should be mandatory.

And anyway, CRT is in the pedagogy, not the curriculum...you don't teach CRT, you use it to teach other material.

Discussed or taught? Which one?

So CRT is now a magical thing with no real definition and could be anything. That's the biggest goal post move of all time.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Discussed or taught? Which one?

So CRT is now a magical thing with no real definition and could be anything. That's the biggest goal post move of all time.

A. What's the difference?

B. That just shows you don't know what you're talking about. It's quite real, well defined and used widely as a pedagogical tool. It's like saying the student cafeteria doesn't give kids salt because it's not on the lunch menu.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A. What's the difference?

B. That just shows you don't know what you're talking about. It's quite real, well defined and used widely as a pedagogical tool. It's like saying the student cafeteria doesn't give kids salt because it's not on the lunch menu.

A. Discussed could mean the student brought it up.

B. So it was magical and now it's well defined. This CRT thing is really something.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

A. Discussed could mean the student brought it up.

B. So it was magical and now it's well defined. This CRT thing is really something.

A. Uh, yeah.

B. "Magical" was your word, not mine. If you'd like a primer so you can speak intelligently for a change, read and watch this:

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-critical-race-theory/

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A. Uh, yeah.

B. "Magical" was your word, not mine. If you'd like a primer so you can speak intelligently for a change, read and watch this:

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-critical-race-theory/

A. Amazing retort.

B. Magical was how you described it. It could have been anything at anytime.

Nothing in that article says CRT is pedagogy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Right as usual, Private:

A July survey by EducationWeek found that barely a year after the murder of George Floyd by a Minnesota cop, 8% of K-12 teachers said they have taught or discussed CRT with students; the figure for teachers in urban schools is much higher: 20%.

Meanwhile, the Association of American Educators found in July that 4.1% of teachers were actually required to teach critical race theory, and 11% said that teaching CRT should be mandatory.

And anyway, CRT is in the pedagogy, not the curriculum...you don't teach CRT, you use it to teach other material.

That data is far to vague to be any real use. And that's before the fact that CRT absolutely should be taught in schools along with other aspects of race relations. We can debate how long we should wait but not that it should be done in K-12.

Discussed or taught? Which one?

So CRT is now a magical thing with no real definition and could be anything. That's the biggest goal post move of all time.

I really hate agreeing with Bud but I don't see the genuine difference between "discussion and and teaching in this particular case.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

A. Amazing retort.

B. Magical was how you described it. It could have been anything at anytime.

Nothing in that article says CRT is pedagogy.

A. It was apt, given the laughable assertion on your part.

B. The only referece to "magical" in this thread is by you. You're quoting yourself, which is why things sound foolish.

You seemed to be unaware of what CRT is. I have now enlightened you. And yes, the typical way it is introduced in education is via pedagogy, i.e. how things are taught.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A. What's the difference?

B. That just shows you don't know what you're talking about. It's quite real, well defined and used widely as a pedagogical tool. It's like saying the student cafeteria doesn't give kids salt because it's not on the lunch menu.

A. It was apt, given the laughable assertion on your part.

B. The only referece to "magical" in this thread is by you. You're quoting yourself, which is why things sound foolish.

You seemed to be unaware of what CRT is. I have now enlightened you. And yes, the typical way it is introduced in education is via pedagogy, i.e. how things are taught.

A. If you don't know the difference I don't know why you brought it up.

B. You keep describing it as magical and you keep changing the definition of it. It was a pedagogical tool & now it's introduced through pedagogy. The more you talk about it the more magical and elusive it becomes.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Aaaaand here we are again. Thanks for playing.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Aaaaand here we are again. Thanks for playing.

Yup, we've come to the same place again. Me pointing out that you're moving the goalposts all around and don't know what you're talking about, then you start making personal attacks instead of discussing the topic.

 

[Lazaran]

That data is far to vague to be any real use. And that's before the fact that CRT absolutely should be taught in schools along with other aspects of race relations. We can debate how long we should wait but not that it should be done in K-12.



I really hate agreeing with Bud but I don't see the genuine difference between "discussion and and teaching in this particular case.

Your first big mistake was ever agreeing with Pud about anything.

Your second was admitting that you're unable to differentiate between a classroom discussion on a current events subject that's constantly in the news(thanks Pud), and a subject that ISN'T being taught as part of a schools official curriculum.

I'm beginning to wonder if Pud's CRT(Critical Race Tourettes) is contagious.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your second was admitting that you're unable to differentiate between a classroom discussion on a current events subject that's constantly in the news(thanks Pud), and a subject that ISN'T being taught as part of a schools official curriculum.

I would chalk this up as something akin to why teachers aren't allowed to speak about religion, politics or economics (outside of dictionay definitions) with their students. Teachers hold a position of authority in the lives of students. One that on occassion can rival the parents.

I'm favot of CRT at the college level and as I stated above I don't think there is such a thing as too soon to start teaching these things.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Some White people can't handle the history of White people and race relations in the U.S. They believe teaching about racism is now racist and ignorance is freedom.

https://www.insightintodiversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-10.54.09-AM-650x420.png

 

[Lazaran]

I would chalk this up as something akin to why teachers aren't allowed to speak about religion, politics or economics (outside of dictionay definitions) with their students. Teachers hold a position of authority in the lives of students. One that on occassion can rival the parents.

I'm favot of CRT at the college level and as I stated above I don't think there is such a thing as too soon to start teaching these things.

Almost anything can constitute a "discussion" about CRT; even a brief exchange between students and their teacher about IF it is actually being taught. If a teacher simply teaches a non-whitewashed version of American history, like the Tulsa massacre, etc, and a brainwashed child of a racist Deplorable accuses them of teaching CRT, then the teacher would be forced to "discuss" CRT.

Unless CRT is part of the curriculum, and students are being graded on their knowledge of the subject, CRT is NOT being TAUGHT in K-12.

Simple as that ^.

Please don't contract Pud's CRT(Critical Race Tourettes).

 

[Sean Renaud]

Almost anything can constitute a "discussion" about CRT; even a brief exchange between students and their teacher about IF it is actually being taught. If a teacher simply teaches a non-whitewashed version of American history, like the Tulsa massacre, etc, and a brainwashed child of a racist Deplorable accuses them of teaching CRT, then the teacher would be forced to "discuss" CRT.

Unless CRT is part of the curriculum, and students are being graded on their knowledge of the subject, CRT is NOT being TAUGHT in K-12.

Simple as that ^.

Please don't contract Pud's CRT(Critical Race Tourettes).

How is that any different from if a students asks about something religious? The teacher responds "I am not at liberty to discuss that with you"

 

[Lazaran]

How is that any different from if a students asks about something religious? The teacher responds "I am not at liberty to discuss that with you"

Exactly.

Now do you see the difference between "discussed" and "taught"???

If you go back in the thread and find where the conflation of "discussed" and "taught" occurred, and the context surroumding the disputed conflation of the two, then you will understand why Pud is being an idiot; as per usual.

Pud's CRT(Critical Race Tourettes) can be very disconcerting for some people.

Hopefully someone develops a cure for it very soon.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I believe there IS a difference, but if a teacher is guiding a discussion then it being "taught". Learning about Judaism was not on my second grade school curriculum. However I still learned quite a bit. Matzaa and honey (if I had to choose the cushy life of a slave, or walk through a hot ass desert with crackers so dry they cause dehydration I'm not continuing.

That so called Trump Derangement Syndrome is very real and very scary. I remember when Botany Boy was mostly sane, when Bud was just a run of the mill asshole and whatever the fuck a Lil Pixie didn't even exist.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Almost anything can constitute a "discussion" about CRT; even a brief exchange between students and their teacher about IF it is actually being taught. If a teacher simply teaches a non-whitewashed version of American history, like the Tulsa massacre, etc, and a brainwashed child of a racist Deplorable accuses them of teaching CRT, then the teacher would be forced to "discuss" CRT.

Unless CRT is part of the curriculum, and students are being graded on their knowledge of the subject, CRT is NOT being TAUGHT in K-12.

Simple as that ^.

Please don't contract Pud's CRT(Critical Race Tourettes).

That is simply false and wishful thinking, as my link clearly showed. It's being woven into every subject in schools through the peagogy, the way a subject is taught. English and History are obvious candidates for infiltration, but even math and science fall victim to this ideology.

At no point does anyone ever step back and look to see if CRT is true. It's not. It rests on a series of baseless assumption that cannot be questioned without one being labeled a racist. This is the mark of one thing: A cult.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

That is simply false and wishful thinking, as my link clearly showed. It's being woven into every subject in schools through the peagogy, the way a subject is taught. English and History are obvious candidates for infiltration, but even math and science fall victim to this ideology.

At no point does anyone ever step back and look to see if CRT is true. It's not. It rests on a series of baseless assumption that cannot be questioned without one being labeled a racist. This is the mark of one thing: A cult.

Quit using words you can't spell, you illiterate twat.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Quit using words you can't spell, you illiterate twat.

You're a good man, Luke. You know your limitations.

 

[pecksniff]

Right as usual, Private:

A July survey by EducationWeek found that barely a year after the murder of George Floyd by a Minnesota cop, 8% of K-12 teachers said they have taught or discussed CRT with students; the figure for teachers in urban schools is much higher: 20%.

Meanwhile, the Association of American Educators found in July that 4.1% of teachers were actually required to teach critical race theory, and 11% said that teaching CRT should be mandatory.

And anyway, CRT is in the pedagogy, not the curriculum...you don't teach CRT, you use it to teach other material.

And the harm in that is?

 

[pecksniff]

At no point does anyone ever step back and look to see if CRT is true. It's not. It rests on a series of baseless assumption that cannot be questioned without one being labeled a racist. This is the mark of one thing: A cult.

Actually, what that is, is a fair description of the entire movement-conservatism narrative at all times since 1964.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

And the harm in that is?

It's assumtions are false and thus give students a contaminated view of history as well as the society we live in now. It's also racist, reductionist and divisive, casting society as a shabby melodrama with whites as moustache-twirlig fiends and blacks as virtuous Penelope Truehearts, tied to the tracks with no agency of their own.

 

[pecksniff]

It's assumtions are false and thus give students a contaminated view of history as well as the society we live in now. It's also racist, reductionist and divisive, casting society as a shabby melodrama with whites as moustache-twirlig fiends and blacks as virtuous Penelope Truehearts, tied to the tracks with no agency of their own.

That was precisely the narrative of the highly popular Tom Shows (stage adaptations of Uncle Tom's Cabin) for several decades in American history -- melodramas in which Simon Legree was simply a cruel villain, Uncle Tom a powerless but good-hearted Christian, little Eva (white girl, befriends Tom, gets sick and dies) Too Good for This Sinful Earth.

It was all very silly, perhaps, but, those shows did our culture no harm.

Even Disney got in on the act. Check out Mickey Mouse in blackface!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

That was precisely the narrative of the highly popular Tom Shows (stage adaptations of Uncle Tom's Cabin) for several decades in American history.

Those did our culture no harm.

We all knew they were just shows. These falsehoods are conveyed as truths when they are anything but.