Manchin, National Hero

[Cubantripod]

You have no clue as to what that means, do you? You saying, "All you hear" and then "backing it up" with a weaksauce op-ed piece from a fake news source is actually moving the goalposts.

You not liking it doesn't make it weak sauce.

 

[Cubantripod]

You're not getting into that always-dishonest bullshit about "a republic, not a democracy," are you?

Stop it already with your nonsense. I understand you want communism. That doesn't give you a license to deny basic facts about our history and government structure in hopes of moving in that direction .

 

[Cubantripod]

What exactly makes you think the Framers knew or thought that?

We've had this discussion before. You should have had it in school. Their writings from that era. They openly admitted democracy doesn't work. The fact that we don't directly elect the president and at one point senators were appointed by the state legislatures to name a few.

 

[Rotadom]

You not liking it doesn't make it weak sauce.

I know, your weaksauce post made it weaksauce. Now find a Democrat politician who says democracy is on the brink and not some fake news source.

 

[Cubantripod]

I know, your weaksauce post made it weaksauce. Now find a Democrat politician who says democracy is on the brink and not some fake news source.

There were tweets on the site that I gave you. Again, you not liking it doesn't make it "fake news." If you want to play logical fallacies then run along and play over at the kiddie table. Grown folks are talking here.

 

[pecksniff]

Stop it already with your nonsense. I understand you want communism. That doesn't give you a license to deny basic facts about our history and government structure in hopes of moving in that direction .

The basic fact about our history and government structure is that the United States is, or is supposed to be, a democratic republic. As opposed to an aristocratic republic. Which has nothing at all to do with the distinction between a federal state and a unitary state.

 

[pecksniff]

Isn't the history of Deepwater Horizon enough to at least make an offshore drilling ban a matter for serious consideration, even at the expense of our international strategic position?

 

[Cubantripod]

The basic fact about our history and government structure is that the United States is, or is supposed to be, a democratic republic. As opposed to an aristocratic republic. Which has nothing at all to do with the distinction between a federal state and a unitary state.

A democratic republic is still not the direct democracy that the left complains about every election cycle when they can't get their way.
Having said that, the framers probably did envision a sort of aristocratic republic. There was a property requirement to vote.

 

[Rotadom]

There were tweets on the site that I gave you. Again, you not liking it doesn't make it "fake news." If you want to play logical fallacies then run along and play over at the kiddie table. Grown folks are talking here.

Trump called WaPo fake news, not me. And a weak op-ed isn't "All you hear" no matter who said it about any topic. Find someone who matters who says that, otherwise it's just you wanting it to be true. Kiddie table? With your juvenile name? Yeah, ok.

 

[Cubantripod]

Trump called WaPo fake news, not me. And a weak op-ed isn't "All you hear" no matter who said it about any topic. Find someone who matters who says that, otherwise it's just you wanting it to be true. Kiddie table? With your juvenile name? Yeah, ok.

I couldn't care less who or what Trump called fake news. He has nothing to do with this.

Additionally. You're on a porn site. Did you forget that?

 

[glamorilla]

I wish I could given manchin the absolute best blowjob he's ever had.

 

[Rotadom]

I couldn't care less who or what Trump called fake news. He has nothing to do with this.

Additionally. You're on a porn site. Did you forget that?

This has never been a porn site.

How much porn do you post? How much about porn do you post? None.

 

[Cubantripod]

Isn't the history of Deepwater Horizon enough to at least make an offshore drilling ban a matter for serious consideration, even at the expense of our international strategic position?

Not. It's virtue signaling. You can't claim to be for the poor and middle class and then turn around and make their cost of living more expensive by needlessly raising fuel prices.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Where did you hear that because I sure haven't?

Jennifer Rubin is out on the ledge as of late.

 

[WillJ8787]

Rotodom take note. I posted something positive about a Democrat:


Manchin killing BBB likely saved US from economic 'disaster,' experts say
An offshore drilling ban in the United States would strengthen oil-rich countries like Russia, experts say
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By Andrew Mark Miller FOX Business

At least 51 senators rejected the Build Back Better bill, including Joe Manchin.

The West Virginia senator reportedly forced fellow Democrats to scrap an offshore drilling ban from the massive Build Back Better Act spending plan, a provision that experts say would have had disastrous consequences for the country.

"An offshore drilling ban would be a disaster for our country, rolling out the red carpet for Russia and Venezuela to replace 20% of America’s daily production and costing Texas alone over 1 million jobs along our Gulf Coast," Jason Modglin, President of Texas Alliance of Energy Producers, told Fox News Digital.

Modglin spoke in response to reports that Manchin convinced Democrats to abandon a plan to stop all drilling on rigs in the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean and Gulf of Mexico.

Ryan Sitton, founder and CEO of Texas-based reliability firm Pinnacle, echoed Modglin’s conclusion and said eliminating offshore drilling would embolden Russia, a country President Biden’s Pentagon deemed as an "existential threat" to the United States earlier this year.

"It simply makes Russia absolutely more powerful," Sitton said.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/manchin-offshore-drilling-ban-bbb-saving-us-disaster-experts

Righturd is in love

 

[pecksniff]

Having said that, the framers probably did envision a sort of aristocratic republic. There was a property requirement to vote.

No rational person wants that back.

 

[pecksniff]

Not. It's virtue signaling. You can't claim to be for the poor and middle class and then turn around and make their cost of living more expensive by needlessly raising fuel prices.

It isn't needless.

 

[Cubantripod]

It isn't needless.

It absolutely is. Making the cost of fuel more expensive doesn't do anything but take more money out of the pockets of the people that can least afford it. It does nothing to speed up our transition form fossil fuels.

 

[pecksniff]

It absolutely is. Making the cost of fuel more expensive doesn't do anything but take more money out of the pockets of the people that can least afford it. It does nothing to speed up our transition form fossil fuels.

What it does is prevent offshore oil spills.

 

[Cubantripod]

What it does is prevent offshore oil spills.

And create energy shortages and disrupt our economy.

 

[Rotadom]

The Sausage Making: Even Moderates Are Pissed At Manchin

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/manchin-moderates-reconciliation-senate

As Democrats reckon with Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-WV) newly aggressive opposition to the reconciliation bill, even moderates are realizing that he put them in an impossible position.

Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-VA), of “nobody elected [Biden] to be F.D.R.” fame, called Manchin’s position “unacceptable.”

“After months of negotiations, one Democratic U.S. senator has now summarily walked away from productive negotiations,” she wrote. “That is unacceptable, and we cannot act like this moment is the end.”

The New Democrat Coalition, composed of self-described centrist House members, similarly balked at Manchin’s remarks.

“The challenges our country faces are too big and the cost of inaction is too high to throw in the towel on Build Back Better negotiations now,” they wrote, adding in Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) favorite refrain: “Failure is not an option.”

 

[LittleDixie]

Manchin did the right thing. This is way too much money for shit we don't need.

The salt from the Left is an unexpected benefit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A democratic republic is still not the direct democracy that the left complains about every election cycle when they can't get their way.
Having said that, the framers probably did envision a sort of aristocratic republic. There was a property requirement to vote.

The left bitching about "direct" democracy is because like most people they lack the solid grounding in the law to understand how they are right, the Right is wrong and doesn't matter because of who is writing the history books.

But since we have an agreement that the Framers really did want something a lot closer to what we woudl consider an oligarchy than anything resembling a Democratic Republic says all I need to hear from you on that front. Thanks, I love you, buh bye!

Besides without a crystal ball its impossible to assess much of what the founders did or didn't want and can someone explain why we are slaves to skeletons in the so called land of the free?

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'm in West Virginia.

Manchin has a 61% approval rating in an overwhelmingly red state. The Boondoggle Bill has a 60% unfavorable in the state.

It was just another give-away designed to increase government dependency.

 

[YDB95]

It was just another give-away designed to increase government dependency.

I don't see how you could "increase government dependency" much beyond the level it's already at in WV. And it's only going to get worse as long as voters there cling to King Coal.