Side effects… [Political]

[Lifestyle66]

....You have to sympathise with them but, as I understand it, their metabolism is trying to reject the vaccine.

One thing is for sure many of those who were adamantly against the vaccine are now having it because they’ve realised if they remain unvaccinated they won’t be flying off on their summer holidays.

If you want to turn this into a political discussion, then go for it, but there are other forums for this.

I'm older (with heart issues) and grew up in rural America where the term "shit creek" originated (literally). My immunity system is much more robust than the majority of the weaklings. With as much travel as I've endured over the past 1.5 years and standing in bars packed shoulder-to-shoulder ... WTF. That is real ... science!


My attitude is "you do you, and I'll do me (with my own heart issues)." And you protect you from those things that are a danger to you. (I'm not an anti-vaxer!)

But, if I'm required to have a vaccine to travel with my wife on her next excursion, then that's her choice to travel alone (or with a partner of her choice) or travel by road with me. I may or may not be here when she returns. Whatever!

"One thing is for sure many of those who were adamantly" pushing vaccines, will always be pushers! I don't do drugs at someone else's command.

But you (Agiel) can now look for yet another forum to contaminate with your political agenda.

 

[jsmiam]

Removing post from thread. This was a conversation among authors in the authors hangout. Moved by mods.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And I have a 100% chance of being alive in five years with no side effects.

How does it feel to be a lab rat?

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[jsmiam]

Removing post from thread. This was a conversation among authors in the authors hangout. Moved by mods.

 

[TadOverdon]

And I have a 100% chance of being alive in five years with no side effects.

Not to be dreary, deary, but you haven't a 100% chance of being alive in forty-five minutes. None of us does.

 

[windar]

And I have a 100% chance of being alive in five years with no side effects.

How does it feel to be a lab rat?

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/267041568_1493031027747405_6053711897027217663_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wkfMnnZkUVUAX_PBL8N&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8sAbU87UMIyVbio0H4Bv0vXPjjWFoz1H5GATpzp0gHDQ&oe=61C272E4

Let's assume, for the sake of argument that the data in that graph is accurate, though no source is given nor does it state which athletes, where, etc. It shows a peak in collapses and deaths in October. Yet the peak of vaccines being given was in April. Even if we say that many athletes were teens and got it later, since it was approved for that age group in May, October was a low point for vaccinations.

So, unless you want to somehow say that people got the vaccine, walked around fine for several months and then collapsed and died and it was due to the vaccine they got months ago through some completely unknown mechanism, the data, even if true (again I'm not accepting it as such without more info) says absolutely nothing about the vaccine.

And as noted by others, no there isn't a 100% chance you or anyone else will be alive an hour from now, vaccinated or otherwise.

What else have you got??

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't understand this post

There are no side effects, none at all. Its the only vaccine ever created in a tenth of the time it takes a diet pill to get approved that has no side effects and anyone that says there is one is a liar, an anti-vaxxer and wears a Maga hat.

I know this because that's what social media and CNN and MSNBC tell me so it has to be true.

But now to reality. I just qualified for the booster, and will get it after the holidays. So far everyone I know that has gotten it has had heavy fatigue the next day, only one person said they had any type of covid symptoms from it.

I got the J&J one shot and despite all the yammering that you can get any booster with whatever shot you received, I'll stay consistent. You mix and match clothing, not what you put in your body. Only reason they push Phizer so much is they pay the most in lobbyist money.

75 members of congress own stock in Phizer, Maderna and J&J. 100% of them take money from drug companies, and this class, is why the country will never have nation wide affordable healthcare.

Good thing we'll all be dead of the 185 variants of covid coming in 2022 and 2024(you know around election times) and won't have to worry much longer.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument that the data in that graph is accurate, though no source is given nor does it state which athletes, where, etc. It shows a peak in collapses and deaths in October. Yet the peak of vaccines being given was in April. Even if we say that many athletes were teens and got it later, since it was approved for that age group in May, October was a low point for vaccinations.

So, unless you want to somehow say that people got the vaccine, walked around fine for several months and then collapsed and died and it was due to the vaccine they got months ago through some completely unknown mechanism, the data, even if true (again I'm not accepting it as such without more info) says absolutely nothing about the vaccine.

And as noted by others, no there isn't a 100% chance you or anyone else will be alive an hour from now, vaccinated or otherwise.

What else have you got??

They are using raw data collected and made available from the CDC, but it appears they are taking that raw data with no qualitative analysis.

Looking at that same raw data for just those deaths at exactly my own age, there are 210 deaths, but only about 50 who could reasonably be attributed to the vaccine dose (ie. within an hour to a few days after expressing adverse symptoms almost immediately).

But there are some athletes who have been reported as dying within hours or days after vaccination, but definitely not as many as that chart suggests.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument that the data in that graph is accurate, though no source is given nor does it state which athletes, where, etc. It shows a peak in collapses and deaths in October. Yet the peak of vaccines being given was in April. Even if we say that many athletes were teens and got it later, since it was approved for that age group in May, October was a low point for vaccinations.

So, unless you want to somehow say that people got the vaccine, walked around fine for several months and then collapsed and died and it was due to the vaccine they got months ago through some completely unknown mechanism, the data, even if true (again I'm not accepting it as such without more info) says absolutely nothing about the vaccine.

And as noted by others, no there isn't a 100% chance you or anyone else will be alive an hour from now, vaccinated or otherwise.

What else have you got??

All you have to do is go to the site on the graph. As for who they are talking about, professional athletes, mostly footballers or soccer players. It been in the news. Their deadline to get vaxed was in October, hence then increase. Go read some website besides CNN or MSNBC.

 

[windar]

All you have to do is go to the site on the graph. As for who they are talking about, professional athletes, mostly footballers or soccer players. It been in the news. Their deadline to get vaxed was in October, hence then increase. Go read some website besides CNN or MSNBC.

There was no deadline for "athletes" as a general class. Eaxch league had its own rules. The Olympics were in August so the competitirs had to be fully vaxed before then. Your credibility hit zero the moment you said you had a 100% chance of being alive in 5 years.

 

[RichardKimble]

A skeleton smoking avatar guaranteeing he will be alive in 5 years! What's not to like?

Zeb_C, what additional sources do you suggest that I read beyond my subs to the Lancet, Journal of Am Med Assoc, European Heart Journal, Annals of Internal Med, Int. Journal of Epi, and Journal of Pathology? Is there a specific journal or publication that you think I'm overlooking that might bring to light the insight you have stumbled upon that apparently contradicts every other reference on this subject?

Cheers,
RichardK

 

[TadOverdon]

A skeleton smoking avatar guaranteeing he will be alive in 5 years! What's not to like?

Zeb_C, what additional sources do you suggest that I read beyond my subs to the Lancet, Journal of Am Med Assoc, European Heart Journal, Annals of Internal Med, Int. Journal of Epi, and Journal of Pathology? Is there a specific journal or publication that you think I'm overlooking that might bring to light the insight you have stumbled upon that apparently contradicts every other reference on this subject?

Cheers,
RichardK

BTW, Doc, did the state board ever reinstate your license after you got clear of that bum rap involving the guy with one arm?

 

[AH_Mod]

Please keep this thread on topic and avoid the political tangents.

 

[Bramblethorn]

And I have a 100% chance of being alive in five years with no side effects.

When somebody says something like that in a movie, you can be pretty sure they won't be around for the closing credits.

Seriously, Zeb. You're an old guy with a history of heart attack, refusing a vaccine against a virus that does much more damage to the heart than the vaccine does. Last year you were pushing the "this is no worse than the flu" line.

How does it feel to be a lab rat?

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/267041568_1493031027747405_6053711897027217663_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wkfMnnZkUVUAX_PBL8N&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8sAbU87UMIyVbio0H4Bv0vXPjjWFoz1H5GATpzp0gHDQ&oe=61C272E4

Source data here: https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/

If this was a first-year research assignment, it would get an "F" for terrible design. I have places to go and the site ate my longer response, but very briefly:

- Their count of "337 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 192 Dead, After COVID Shot" includes retired athletes, referees, caddies... people of any age, from all around the world, with the most tenuous connection to sport. One of the deaths listed is an 86-year-old man! With a scope that broad, 337 wouldn't be a very large number.

- Contrary to the headline, most of those are not confirmed as vaccinated - indeed, there's an Australian case who couldn't have been, given the timing of the Australian vaccination program.

- "Serious issues" includes "only came tenth in what's presumably a pro-level race".

- On at least one occasion, they mistakenly identified a guy as "dead" who wasn't.

There are several other ways in which this is bullshit, but I'll leave it there for now.

 

[Bramblethorn]

They are using raw data collected and made available from the CDC, but it appears they are taking that raw data with no qualitative analysis.

Not sure it's even that - from what I saw on their site, they seem to be haphazardly skimming news articles (some sent in by readers) from all around the world, and counting anything that could be remotely considered an "athlete" having some kind of "reaction" to a vaccine they might not even have had (and in some cases definitely didn't).

 

[Bramblethorn]

There was no deadline for "athletes" as a general class. Eaxch league had its own rules. The Olympics were in August so the competitirs had to be fully vaxed before then. Your credibility hit zero the moment you said you had a 100% chance of being alive in 5 years.

More than that - Zeb's site is using reports from athletes all around the world (to make the numbers as scary as possible), so it's not just the US dates to consider. My guess is that they found a spike in October because they were looking harder for news reports then, not because there actually was one.

One of the cases they're counting among their "vaccination deaths" is an Australian athlete who died before it was even possible for him to get vaccinated here - he died on Feb 22, the same day the Australian vaccine rollout began. The first phase was prioritising HCWs and high-risk groups, not healthy 34-year-olds.

Here are some of the other cases they're counting among their 337 "likely vax related":

22/01/21, USA Dead
Hank Aaron (86), former Pro Baseballer received his COVID vaccine on January 5th, 2021 to demonstrate the safety of the vaccine and encourage other black Americans to do the same. Died two weeks later in his sleep – listed as natural causes.

86-year-old men don't just die in their sleep! It's the vaccine I'm telling you!

08/07/21, Toronto, Canada, Dead
Jenn Gouveia (31), Toronto mother, collapsed and died suddenly on Sunday while out for a run in High Park

From the attached news story, she doesn't seem to have been any kind of pro or competitive athlete, just somebody who jogged several times a week. Not hard to find "athletes" dying if you define "athlete" that broadly.

13/08/21, France (37), Dead
Franck Berrier (37) former French professional footballer collapsed of a cardiac arrest while playing tennis. He retired in 2019 due to heart problems.

So the vaccine... travelled back in time and caused his heart problems???

14/08/21, USA (17), Dead
Dimitri McKee (17) Lee High School Football player passed out and died after practice, News stories attributed his death to heatstroke

So the vaccine... made the weather hot?

03/09/21 Columbia SC, USA Dead
David Patten (47), three-time Super Bowl champion with Patriots, died while riding his motorcycle – he suddenly “went left of center” and struck on an oncoming Chevrolet sedan.

Yeah, people never crashed motorcycles before vaccines were a thing...

18/10/21 New Zealand Dead
Sean Wainui (25), Star NZ rugby player, died in a solo car crash into a tree, a week after getting vaccinated

...or cars.

6/09/21
Paul Zipser (27), Bayern Munich forward (basketball) underwent a successful surgery for brain hemorrhage related to J&J

The cited news story makes no mention of J&J or any other vaccine. Not clear where they're getting that claim from.

Following this one up, looks like he had a cavernoma, which by my understanding is usually a congenital condition. So another time-travel case!

01/10/21, Germany, 15 years Dead
Bruno Stein (15) goalkeeper from FC An der Fahner Höhe in Gräfentonna, Thuringia, died.

The linked story says nothing at all about how he died - only that he died at age 15, and that his father had also died. But sure, let's assume it was the vaccine.

02/10/21 USA Dead
Major Wingate (37), American basketball player and former Tennessee basketball captain (Springfield Armor, Shanxi Zhongyu, Tofas Bursa) died unexpectedly.

Another case where there's no information available about how he died, but per Wiki he unexpectedly left his team in January, and had previously had substance abuse problems. The coyness about his death makes me wonder whether it might have been suicide or an OD, but who knows? Not these guys, that's for sure, but that's not gonna stop them assuming it was the vaccine.

28/10/21, Germany Dead
Selim Levent, Hertha BSC co-trainer, died suddenly and unexpectedly while on vacation.

The linked story actually says he died in hospital after being infected with coronavirus.

05/11/21 Belarusia Dead
Konstantin Wajgin (or Vaygin or Vaigin), 57, Belarusian biathlete and coach. News report only refers to death, not cause.

These guys admit they have no idea what he died of, but they're still assuming it was vaccine-related.

08/11/21 USA Dead
Kim ‘Alarm’ Kyeong-Bo (20), a rising star in the Overwatch League playing flex support for the Philadelphia Fusion, died

So "athletes" includes playing computer games now? Holy fuck, I've been an "athlete" all these years and never knew!

 

[Lifestyle66]

Not sure it's even that - from what I saw on their site, they seem to be haphazardly skimming news articles (some sent in by readers) from all around the world, and counting anything that could be remotely considered an "athlete" having some kind of "reaction" to a vaccine they might not even have had (and in some cases definitely didn't).

There are verified cases reported to the CDC and collected in the VAERS database (vaccine adverse reactions). The database data is available for download, and it appears almost all 721,470 reports are related to COVID. However, when looking through that data, you'll find reports of vaccinated people who got COVID and all other reports of "I just didn't feel well for a few days."

Case 1080840 from Nebrasha is a 16-yo female with report: "The day after vaccination, father states that child returned from track practice feeling tired. She went to lay down and he found her face down on her bed, unresponsive and cyanotic." She died on 3/4/2021.

In reviewing those 210 cases of people my exact age (to the year), about 50 died of no other causes shortly after taking the vaccine (ie within a week). (I exclude those reports under hospice for cancer or listing other comorbidities).

I don't trust "news" articles or politicians with their own agendas. I look for more verifiable facts. I know MY risks. And I find it offensive hearing everyone getting in my face shouting "Just take the 'jab'!" To my ear, those are the same as drug pushers saying: "Try it. You'll really like it."

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Just one more statistic...

More children were killed this year in Chicago than the vaccine killed.

303 children killed in Chicago so far in 2021

214 children died since the vaccine mandate by Biden and the CDC

I'm not doing your homework for you. Don't believe me fine go blithely into the dark. Want more information, look for it in other place beside MSM sites.

Oh, and the CDC site hides covid and vaccine deaths in the Communicable Disease deaths. Yet separates out their estimate of annual flu deaths.

As for my conditions, it's one of the reasons I'm not getting the vaccine. I weighed the odds and made my decision based on how many heart related deaths are associated with the vaccine and what my odds are of surviving the virus, which I still believe is no worse than the flu. Either way it's a toss up, but it's my choice until someone puts a gun to my head to force me to get it.

Also, a vaccine that doesn't protect you from contracting the disease is not really a vaccine, it's a lab experiment. I got the polio vaccine and never, ever, contracted the disease. I got the smallpox vaccination and never, ever, contracted smallpox.

I have had over my lifetime any number of vaccines, I was never told to stay away from unvaccinated people.

Or to wear a mask or two or three.
Or get vaccinated or lose my job, although I was a youngster at the time.
Or stay six feet apart.
Or you're going to need a booster shot every time there's a variant reported.
Or listen to a man who lies his ass off at the drop of a hat.

Which has nothing to do with a vaccine or a disease with a survival rate of 99.96%. Although for an old guy like me that rate is only 97.89% making the choice between a vaccine and the virus a toss up. I'll choose the thing that doesn't introduce metal and poisons to my body.

Question: Who knows what the vaccines are made up of?

Hint: Aluminum is one of them.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

There are verified cases reported to the CDC and collected in the VAERS database (vaccine adverse reactions). The database data is available for download, and it appears almost all 721,470 reports are related to COVID. However, when looking through that data, you'll find reports of vaccinated people who got COVID and all other reports of "I just didn't feel well for a few days."

Case 1080840 from Nebrasha is a 16-yo female with report: "The day after vaccination, father states that child returned from track practice feeling tired. She went to lay down and he found her face down on her bed, unresponsive and cyanotic." She died on 3/4/2021.

In reviewing those 210 cases of people my exact age (to the year), about 50 died of no other causes shortly after taking the vaccine (ie within a week). (I exclude those reports under hospice for cancer or listing other comorbidities).

I don't trust "news" articles or politicians with their own agendas. I look for more verifiable facts. I know MY risks. And I find it offensive hearing everyone getting in my face shouting "Just take the 'jab'!" To my ear, those are the same as drug pushers saying: "Try it. You'll really like it."

There is a difference between the government and drug pushers...

Drug pushers don't force you to take their drugs.

 

[jsmiam]

Removing post from thread. This was a conversation among authors in the authors hangout. Moved by mods.

 

[Lifestyle66]

You are absolutely right if you want to check the provided data. Just make sure you get the right data.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Nr of combined Corona deaths in USA 827 206
Population of USA 333 874 359

2.48% deaths by covid

As I said earlier, I do my own fact-finding. I do know how to analyze data (it's what I do) and I did read those disclaimers.

That said, when I looked at the data, as I said earlier, I eliminated all of the outliers and suspicious cases. That left a significant number of suspect deaths (50 out of 210), within the subset I reviewed. And there were many reported COVID deaths even among those who received the vaccines.

That VAERS database contains ALL related reports of adverse vaccine reactions, including reports of adverse reactions to other routine vaccines. The number of vaccine deaths for non-COVID vaccines is miniscule.

But be a pusher. I hear the noise of those with less information shouting "Take the jab! Be one of us. You'll enjoy it."

I know my personal risks.

"You do you, and I'll do me." The greater threat to ME are from those who profess to try imprisoning me and limiting my movements, based on their own ignorant fears.

Edit: Also consider this FACT: It took the government's NTSB TEN YEARS before they required GM to admit to their ignition switch flaw caused 13 deaths!

 

[ll74]

You, as a layman, reviewing adverse cases, is like me, as a layman changing an engine. I think I know what I'm doing, but there's no way in hell that car is going to drive after I'm done.

This is why people rely on their doctor to discuss such matters.

Don't want the jab....don't get the jab.,.but other people don't need to accept being around you and businesses have a right to reject you.

And you're a moron for believing the bullshit your speaking about.

There are verified cases reported to the CDC and collected in the VAERS database (vaccine adverse reactions). The database data is available for download, and it appears almost all 721,470 reports are related to COVID. However, when looking through that data, you'll find reports of vaccinated people who got COVID and all other reports of "I just didn't feel well for a few days."

Case 1080840 from Nebrasha is a 16-yo female with report: "The day after vaccination, father states that child returned from track practice feeling tired. She went to lay down and he found her face down on her bed, unresponsive and cyanotic." She died on 3/4/2021.

In reviewing those 210 cases of people my exact age (to the year), about 50 died of no other causes shortly after taking the vaccine (ie within a week). (I exclude those reports under hospice for cancer or listing other comorbidities).

I don't trust "news" articles or politicians with their own agendas. I look for more verifiable facts. I know MY risks. And I find it offensive hearing everyone getting in my face shouting "Just take the 'jab'!" To my ear, those are the same as drug pushers saying: "Try it. You'll really like it."

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Then there's this fucking idiot...

There are some cases of the vaxed dying in single vehicle car crashes, possibly due to loss of consciousness, strokes, or heart attacks. Driving became more hazardous. You can call that BS, blame it on drugs, etc.

 

[jaF0]

And I have a 100% chance of being alive in five years with no side effects.

Somewhere around 100 people might have said that on the afternoon of December 10th. They were dead by the morning of December 11th.

 

[jaF0]

Note that this was posted in the Author's Hangout and has now been moved to the PB. I have a feeling most of the posters above won't continue participating.