Election Integrity

[srgreene]

John Fund has published a book, "Our Broken Elections", about election integrity in the USA. Here is an interview he gave on the subject:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/john-...nd-europe-in-election-safeguards_4122807.html

Fund makes a number of points, including how other nations with a history of democratic elections, insist on voter ID. He also describes how the Obama administration took positive steps to undermine movements that came out of the Bush Gore presidential election to reign in election fraud. Oh, I'm sure it is merely a coincidence that lack of voter ID almost certainly benefits the Democrat Party. Whether or not it serves the interested of good government is irrelevant to those people.

Another point that he articulates is that while the right to vote is important in a democracy, so is the right that a legal voter has to not have his or her vote cancelled out by a fraudulent one. Fund describes how New York City politicians actually attempted to thwart efforts to expose fraudulent voting..

I would go so far as to claim that Democrats- and it is overwhelming Democrats- to not want to implement measures like voter ID to ensure election integrity because they realize that voter fraud benefits them at the polls. And that is only of of a number of very troubling signs in American democracy. I love the USA, but I fear for the future of my grandchildren in it. Honest elections are something that all Americans should support.

 

[phrodeau]

Interesting. Do you support Falun Gong, or do you just like the guy who claims to walk through walls?

 

[ll74]

So your entire take is that voter id is a good thing?

Like, nothong else about an extensive election investigation?

John Fund has published a book, "Our Broken Elections", about election integrity in the USA. Here is an interview he gave on the subject:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/john-...nd-europe-in-election-safeguards_4122807.html

Fund makes a number of points, including how other nations with a history of democratic elections, insist on voter ID. He also describes how the Obama administration took positive steps to undermine movements that came out of the Bush Gore presidential election to reign in election fraud. Oh, I'm sure it is merely a coincidence that lack of voter ID almost certainly benefits the Democrat Party. Whether or not it serves the interested of good government is irrelevant to those people.

Another point that he articulates is that while the right to vote is important in a democracy, so is the right that a legal voter has to not have his or her vote cancelled out by a fraudulent one. Fund describes how New York City politicians actually attempted to thwart efforts to expose fraudulent voting..

I would go so far as to claim that Democrats- and it is overwhelming Democrats- to not want to implement measures like voter ID to ensure election integrity because they realize that voter fraud benefits them at the polls. And that is only of of a number of very troubling signs in American democracy. I love the USA, but I fear for the future of my grandchildren in it. Honest elections are something that all Americans should support.

 

[BluesDriver66]

John Fund has published a book, "Our Broken Elections", about election integrity in the USA. Here is an interview he gave on the subject:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/john-...nd-europe-in-election-safeguards_4122807.html

Fund makes a number of points, including how other nations with a history of democratic elections, insist on voter ID. He also describes how the Obama administration took positive steps to undermine movements that came out of the Bush Gore presidential election to reign in election fraud. Oh, I'm sure it is merely a coincidence that lack of voter ID almost certainly benefits the Democrat Party. Whether or not it serves the interested of good government is irrelevant to those people.

Another point that he articulates is that while the right to vote is important in a democracy, so is the right that a legal voter has to not have his or her vote cancelled out by a fraudulent one. Fund describes how New York City politicians actually attempted to thwart efforts to expose fraudulent voting..

I would go so far as to claim that Democrats- and it is overwhelming Democrats- to not want to implement measures like voter ID to ensure election integrity because they realize that voter fraud benefits them at the polls. An d that is only of of a number of very troubling signs in American democracy. I love the USA, but I fear for the future of my grandchildren in it. Honest elections are something that all Americans should support.

First this idiot conflates election fraud with voter fraud. They are two different things. Then he claims that lack of voter ID benefits Democrats, the inference being fraudulent votes being cast, with not one shred of data to support that claim. This is just another Republican hack trying to depress the vote of poor people and minorities. They never offer policies that would increase participation of all citizens in elections. Just restrictive ones that benefit Republicans.

 

[pecksniff]

No American who has ever pushed in for voter-ID legislation in the past 50 years has ever had "election integrity" in mind. The concept is irrelevant.

 

[ll74]

If you want vote I'd, which is absolutely fine

Then prove it works.


No state that had implemented it has shown any advance on integrity.



So then your point is what?

 

[pecksniff]

John Fund has published a book, "Our Broken Elections", about election integrity in the USA. Here is an interview he gave on the subject:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/john-...nd-europe-in-election-safeguards_4122807.html

The Epoch Times exists for only one reason, which is to bash the Chinese Communist Party. They're talking out their ass when they address anything else.

 

[pecksniff]

I would go so far as to claim that Democrats- and it is overwhelming Democrats- to not want to implement measures like voter ID to ensure election integrity because they realize that voter fraud benefits them at the polls.

The only cases of voter fraud that have come to light in the past year were perpetrated by Republicans. And there were not enough even of those to change the outcome of any election. It's a non-problem.

 

[BluesDriver66]

The only cases of voter fraud that have come to light in the past year were perpetrated by Republicans. And there were not enough even of those to change the outcome of any election. It's a non-problem.

You're completely ignoring the reports of bus loads of illegal aliens going from polling place to polling place casting votes for Democrats. I heard it on the AM talk radio so I know it's true.

 

[Pad_Foot]

John Fund has published a book, "Our Broken Elections", about election integrity in the USA. Here is an interview he gave on the subject:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/john-...nd-europe-in-election-safeguards_4122807.html

Fund makes a number of points, including how other nations with a history of democratic elections, insist on voter ID. He also describes how the Obama administration took positive steps to undermine movements that came out of the Bush Gore presidential election to reign in election fraud. Oh, I'm sure it is merely a coincidence that lack of voter ID almost certainly benefits the Democrat Party. Whether or not it serves the interested of good government is irrelevant to those people.

Another point that he articulates is that while the right to vote is important in a democracy, so is the right that a legal voter has to not have his or her vote cancelled out by a fraudulent one. Fund describes how New York City politicians actually attempted to thwart efforts to expose fraudulent voting..

I would go so far as to claim that Democrats- and it is overwhelming Democrats- to not want to implement measures like voter ID to ensure election integrity because they realize that voter fraud benefits them at the polls. And that is only of of a number of very troubling signs in American democracy. I love the USA, but I fear for the future of my grandchildren in it. Honest elections are something that all Americans should support.

So? Depriving Americans of their voting rights is also bad??
How many Democrats have been scrubbed from voting roles?
Kobach’s work
And.. the same ASS found nothing in his brief role of finding fraud

How many in felons Florida lost their right to vote because Florida Republicans voted against the People of Florida??

 

[srgreene]

First this idiot conflates election fraud with voter fraud. They are two different things. Then he claims that lack of voter ID benefits Democrats, the inference being fraudulent votes being cast, with not one shred of data to support that claim. This is just another Republican hack trying to depress the vote of poor people and minorities. They never offer policies that would increase participation of all citizens in elections. Just restrictive ones that benefit Republicans.

If you bothered to listen to the interview, you would notice that Fund did cite evidence. Of course, I suspect you did not listen to it and only chose to mindlessly lash out at me.

I think the fact that Democrats today generally oppose voter id, while Republicans generally support it, does show that Democrats support maintaining a system which facilitates voter fraud. In his interview, Fund cited specific examples of that fraud and Democrat opposition to ending it.

 

[pecksniff]

If you bothered to listen . . .

Never post this sort of thing unless it is in text form. The reasons should be obvious.

 

[pecksniff]

I think the fact that Democrats today generally oppose voter id, while Republicans generally support it, does show that Democrats support maintaining a system which facilitates voter fraud.

No, it shows that the Republican agenda is voter suppression, targeting POC and the poor and the young, and you know it.

 

[Cubantripod]

No, it shows that the Republican agenda is voter suppression, targeting POC and the poor and the young, and you know it.

Election suppression is the Democrat Big Lie

 

[KeithD]

Election suppression is the Democrat Big Lie

It most certainly is that--with Republicans and board Trumpettes like you being the ones doing the lying.

 

[pecksniff]

Election suppression is the Democrat Big Lie

No one with any other agenda, such as "election integrity," is demanding voter ID. The Big Lie is that voter fraud is a real-life problem.

 

[BluesDriver66]

If you bothered to listen to the interview, you would notice that Fund did cite evidence. Of course, I suspect you did not listen to it and only chose to mindlessly lash out at me.

I think the fact that Democrats today generally oppose voter id, while Republicans generally support it, does show that Democrats support maintaining a system which facilitates voter fraud. In his interview, Fund cited specific examples of that fraud and Democrat opposition to ending it.

John Fund is a right wing partisan hack. I have no interest in listening to that nasally weasel, pencil neck geek spew his half truths and falsehoods on some propaganda website.

Unless you can post any election outcome that has been affected by lack of voter ID or has even come close it's pure bullshit.

It would be like promoting daily sobriety tests for school teachers then claim if you think it's unnecessary or invasive you're for drunk teachers in the classroom. Could you find one or two instances of drunk teachers? Perhaps. Is it a real problem affecting the education of children? No. That would be total bullshit.

 

[pecksniff]

Noncitizens voting, ineligible felons voting, people voting in someone else's name -- none of that is happening in numbers sufficient to change the outcome of any election.

And everybody knows it, especially those who say different.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I don't know why the Republicans just don't come out and say it: They want a national ID system that will provide the government with all a person's rights, privileges, and other personal data. A card or other device that could be scanned by a government officiant upon demand.

 

[Champakian]

Of all the daily activities that we participate in that require a photo ID,
I have real trouble understanding why voting should be excluded
from that safeguard against fraud (or forgery, you sign to vote).

I fully support the idea of a picture ID
if only to protect my vote.

 

[Champakian]

Noncitizens voting, ineligible felons voting, people voting in someone else's name -- none of that is happening in numbers sufficient to change the outcome of any election.

And everybody knows it, especially those who say different.

Is that your stance on every crime?


I'll bet that it's not.


For example: would you condone being mugged because it was only a small theft?
It's not like it's the Lufthansa heist or anything...

 

[JohnnySavage]

I showed my id to register to vote, and presented proof of residence. My name is on the list. That's all the turd sitting at the poll needs to know.

 

[Champakian]

And when the guy ahead of you uses your name and they tell you,
you already voted, but here's a provisional ballot (that will never be counted)...?

 

[BidudeinWi]

The only cases of voter fraud that have come to light in the past year were perpetrated by Republicans. And there were not enough even of those to change the outcome of any election. It's a non-problem.

Ignorant douchebag!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Of all the daily activities that we participate in that require a photo ID,
I have real trouble understanding why voting should be excluded
from that safeguard against fraud (or forgery, you sign to vote).

I fully support the idea of a picture ID
if only to protect my vote.

There are no daily activities that require a photo ID, holy fuck. You have a hard time understanding why voting, a right, should require anything that the government doesn't provide for free is baffling. If Republicans just changed that, upon turning 18 you are registered to vote and you report to some location to get your picture taken that would be almost okay. Still problematic but okay.

Fraud is so infrequent that this is a solution in search of a problem.

And when the guy ahead of you uses your name and they tell you,
you already voted, but here's a provisional ballot (that will never be counted)...?

I am 100% certain THIS has never happened but can you provide evidence this is happening in numbers large enough to be concerned?