Anonymous grammar trolls?

[ToPleaseHim]

Here’s some irony for you.


I start a thread about trolls harassing people on this forum, to which you say doesn’t exist, 2 pages into the thread and there’s someone on here in which you defend, claiming they wish I were dead, and that someone should kill me, as it would be a blessing to everyone.

Put that irony in your pipe and smoke it, clown.

Please show me where I said trolls don’t exist. Maybe the issue is your reading comprehension?

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Kudos to the OP, 60+ posts and people still haven't figured out this has become performance art.

'Rabid Dog'

You're right. My bad.

Fuck.

It’s like the Lit Rick Roll. And we have fallen for it, lol.

 

[born2rebellis]

If you truly think my comment was a death threat, then it says all one needs to know about your judgment. Which is to say, you have none. You are ranting, and you are getting some sort of twisted pleasure out of your ranting, and everyone outside your basement knows it.

Oh Im terribly sorry, I must be gravely mistaken, but the terminology ‘to put down’ means to ‘put to sleep’ aka ‘put to death’ or you would care to enlighten us all on what the terminology means since my judgment is so poor?

I look forward to your response, the fact you’re back peddling now speaks for itself.

 

[born2rebellis]

Please show me where I said trolls don’t exist. Maybe the issue is your reading comprehension?

Speak for yourself. I’ve never encountered someone so bias in my entire life, aren’t you going to tell ‘Simon’ to get off the general boards with all his hate and death threats and anger?
Or are you in support of such? By not condemning such atrocious behaviour then you’re clearly in support which makes you guilty by association.

I will now look forward to more double-speak in where you will twist ‘Simon’s’ words by proclaiming they had some harmless subliminal meaning and the only problem here is my poor reading comprehension and judgment, you’re good at adding insult-to-injury huh?

That would be the case, if the comment actually bothered me remotely, however it doesn’t, I couldn’t give one iota. Why? Because I have thick skin you claim I don’t.

If I didn’t, I’d report the comment and Simon wouldn’t exist on Literotica anymore, If I gave a fuck I would name and shame ‘Simon’’ However, I’m not that petty.

 

[born2rebellis]

Please show me where I said trolls don’t exist. Maybe the issue is your reading comprehension?

You might not of said those exact words, However neither did I accuse you, I didn’t say you thought trolls didn’t exist on Literotica overall, I was however claiming they existed and were harassing and bullying people whilst masquerading behind grammar.

To which you said
Accusing people of misunderstanding you (and correlating that to bullying) because they disagree with you is a serious stretch. I disagree with you. If you perceive that as bullying, I highly recommend developing a thicker skin (and staying the hell away from the General Board).


Ironically, Simon would fit into the category of people who were ‘disagreeing with me, furthermore, only a few comments later, I’m receiving death/threats from the same people who you insist are just ‘disagreeing with me’ and my wires are crossed.

I would think that with what followed, would be evidence that my assertion was correct.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Put down = insult

And just wow. Death threats? Good lord you aren’t worth another second of my time. I really do hope this is a performance alt.

 

[born2rebellis]

Please show me where I said trolls don’t exist. Maybe the issue is your reading comprehension?

Put down = insult

And just wow. Death threats? Good lord you aren’t worth another second of my time. I really do hope this is a performance alt.

Lmfao man you’re so easy to predict, it’s kind of like playing poker with someone who’s got their cards facing the wrong way.

Firstly, you cherry pick part of the phrase, The terminology of ‘putting down a rabid dog’ isn’t to call the mad dog a mean name’ LOL it’s to put it to sleep, you and I both know this so quit being obtuse and just swallow your stupid pride.

Secondly even if it were to mean ‘to put down, to insult’ which it doesn’t, you would still be morally wrong as you’re acquitting the person of death threats and letting them off the hook for advocating bullying, which you still refuse to acknowledge even though you just admitted it by default. LOL!!!

 

[mynameisben]

@born2rebellis

I don't see any point in continuing this thread any further. You've made your points, you will stand by them no matter what, and virtually nobody agrees with you. You have accused everyone in this forum of being "incapable of thinking theoretically" and of being "Natzis" and "hypocrites." Unsatisfied with that level of antisocialism, you have now escalated your assault on this forum with the kind of small minded, kneejerk bullying and name calling that is best left in the hands of reality denying, tin pot dictator ex-Presidents. This last behavior of yours is what convinces me that it is You, who is incapable of thinking theoretically. It is You, whose close-minded self righteousness makes it impossible for you to carry on any meaningful sort of intellectual discourse on whatever the hell points it is you are trying to make.

You are either unwilling or incapable of supporting your claim that you are being harassed by anonymous commentators about your "story." Despite repeated requests for a link to that story and/or the quoted text of the disparaging comment(s), you have steadfastly provided neither. I have good reason to believe you are a fraud. You have nothing substantive to offer, and all you are doing is stirring the pot, apparently for the sheer sport of it. By every conceivable measure, you are nothing but a troll.

Before you respond to this post, I entreat you to scan the record of my previous posts. I have been a Lit member for nearly 20 years. And in that time, I have called out another member for being a troll exactly ZERO times. Congratulations on exhausting my patience.

I am quite capable of thinking theoretically, and I do have meaningful suggestions to offer about spelling and grammar vs. the value of a compelling story line. But due to the circumstances, I am confident you would dismiss them out of hand, so I won't waste my breath. Nobody, no matter how polite, will ever have any constructive criticism you will listen to, and I don't believe in feeding the trolls.

I am also quite confident that you will respond to this post with a rebuttal laced with name calling and accusing me of arrogance, hypocrisy, and as many disparaging epithets as you can cull from a desperate search of a thesaurus. But I won't be reading any of it. You are who you are. And I have much, much better things to do.


Ben

 

[Bramblethorn]

deleted - missed that the point had already been made

 

[Comshaw]

You can teach the mechanics of writing but not the creativity to do it. That is so true. I've read stories here that have numerous writing mistakes, but held my interest, got me engaged because of the story line. I've also read stories that are technically almost perfect, but the story itself leaves an aftertaste of dry sawdust in its wake. I prefer the one with flavor as opposed to the one with perfect language proportions.

I know for a fact that there are those here who will painstakingly read a story, not to enjoy it but to find mistakes. If, like some of my early works, I published the story with multiple egregious errors I could understand it. Back then it angered me but I came to see it as a learning experience, teaching me to be more careful with the editing process.

I have several 10,000 plus word stories that have (as far as I can find) 4 or 5 mistakes throughout the text. But someone always comes along to point them out and make the statement that they couldn't enjoy the story because of those mistakes. Should I get spun up about it? Not really. I smile and ignore it. I have come to realize that whom ever is doing it, their OCD has command of them and they can do nothing else.

I've pointed this out before, let me do so again: there are 7 verified (by handwriting experts) signatures of William Shakespeare, all from the same hand. Every one of them is spelled differently. If the Bard can do that, why should I get all twitterpated about occasionally screwing up on spelling or a misplaced period? I'll let it eat at those who can't ignore the small shit.

Comshaw

 

[Bramblethorn]

That acknowledged, if your stories are delivered like your posts are, they are really, really hard to read and challenging to bother to get to any content.

Yeah, I'm with Keith on this one. I won't fuss over occasional typos/etc. in a story (unless I've been asked to fuss!) But when the technical issues get too bad, they can make writing hard to understand and painful to read. Lines like "As most spelling errors occur through spellcheck so these hypocrites can just get their head around that as times money here" are well into that territory.

Most readers here don't demand perfection. Most readers do expect something they can read without having to stop and ask themselves "what on earth was the author trying to express here?"

I want to enjoy the stories I read. I don't go looking for reasons to hate them. When an author has a great story idea but their technical failings make it hard to read, that's a waste.

I don’t wish to engage with mentally ill people who are corrupted beyond belief, I don’t need that kind of toxicity in my life

Using "mentally ill" as an insult for anybody who you dislike is a shitty and toxic thing to do, and you should feel bad for doing it. It also makes your professed concern for people with learning disabilities sound kinda fake.

I’m sure your bum-buddy ‘to please him’

Ah, homophobic as well.

Okay, putting the attention-seeker on ignore now.

 

[born2rebellis]

@born2rebellis

I don't see any point in continuing this thread any further. You've made your points, you will stand by them no matter what, and virtually nobody agrees with you. You have accused everyone in this forum of being "incapable of thinking theoretically" and of being "Natzis" and "hypocrites." Unsatisfied with that level of antisocialism, you have now escalated your assault on this forum with the kind of small minded, kneejerk bullying and name calling that is best left in the hands of reality denying, tin pot dictator ex-Presidents. This last behavior of yours is what convinces me that it is You, who is incapable of thinking theoretically. It is You, whose close-minded self righteousness makes it impossible for you to carry on any meaningful sort of intellectual discourse on whatever the hell points it is you are trying to make.

You are either unwilling or incapable of supporting your claim that you are being harassed by anonymous commentators about your "story." Despite repeated requests for a link to that story and/or the quoted text of the disparaging comment(s), you have steadfastly provided neither. I have good reason to believe you are a fraud. You have nothing substantive to offer, and all you are doing is stirring the pot, apparently for the sheer sport of it. By every conceivable measure, you are nothing but a troll.

Before you respond to this post, I entreat you to scan the record of my previous posts. I have been a Lit member for nearly 20 years. And in that time, I have called out another member for being a troll exactly ZERO times. Congratulations on exhausting my patience.

I am quite capable of thinking theoretically, and I do have meaningful suggestions to offer about spelling and grammar vs. the value of a compelling story line. But due to the circumstances, I am confident you would dismiss them out of hand, so I won't waste my breath. Nobody, no matter how polite, will ever have any constructive criticism you will listen to, and I don't believe in feeding the trolls.

I am also quite confident that you will respond to this post with a rebuttal laced with name calling and accusing me of arrogance, hypocrisy, and as many disparaging epithets as you can cull from a desperate search of a thesaurus. But I won't be reading any of it. You are who you are. And I have much, much better things to do.


Ben

Virtually nobody agrees with me? define nobody? The 10 people people who’ve commented on this thread? Or the 8 billion on this earth who haven’t?
The fact you believe majority rules is evidence that something is right is honestly laughable and the sign of flawed logic.

Speaking of nazis, only a minority of Germans opposed what was happening to the Jews during holocaust, since you’re capable of thinking theoretically, you’ll understand I’m not speaking in a literal sense, however according to your logic because the majority believed in something that made it right?

I give you many different examples of how the majority doesn’t mean anything; therefore it’s futile in pointing it out as f it does.

I’ll leave you with a quote from Jonathan swift that you might find interesting and is no way reference to myself or this particular thread, just to majority rules situations in general.

“When a true genius appears, you’ll know by this sign, that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.”

Further more, I will not be roped into your tirade and begin to defend myself as truth always defends itself.

You’d be wrong in attempting to read my mind and thinking you know anything remotely about me by suggesting I was going to respond to you hastily, I hold no I’ll-will against you, Ben.

PS, I have zero problem calling a spade, a spade and make no apologies that you find the word ‘hypocrite’ offensive and a form of bullying.

Have a lovely afternoon or whatever it is wherever you’re from and since you’ve made your ‘points’ whatever they might have been, I’m not sure, putting me in my place? Well you sure showed me, Ben. Therefore I suggest you take the advice you gave me, and no longer continue to discuss the matter.

 

[born2rebellis]

Yeah, I'm with Keith on this one. I won't fuss over occasional typos/etc. in a story (unless I've been asked to fuss!) But when the technical issues get too bad, they can make writing hard to understand and painful to read. Lines like "As most spelling errors occur through spellcheck so these hypocrites can just get their head around that as times money here" are well into that territory.

Most readers here don't demand perfection. Most readers do expect something they can read without having to stop and ask themselves "what on earth was the author trying to express here?"

I want to enjoy the stories I read. I don't go looking for reasons to hate them. When an author has a great story idea but their technical failings make it hard to read, that's a waste.



Using "mentally ill" as an insult for anybody who you dislike is a shitty and toxic thing to do, and you should feel bad for doing it. It also makes your professed concern for people with learning disabilities sound kinda fake.



Ah, homophobic as well.

Okay, putting the attention-seeker on ignore now.

Don’t be so precious, princess.

 

[SimonDoom]

Don’t be so precious, princess.

Sexist, too.

You're on a roll.

 

[MrPixel]

... “Omg, your grammar and punctuation in this story was amazing” said nobody ever

Heh. One of the characters in one of my stories (one that might not be uploaded yet) gave my main character grief about a too-academic use of "whom" when everyday speech would have used the colloquial "who".

 

[born2rebellis]

You can teach the mechanics of writing but not the creativity to do it. That is so true. I've read stories here that have numerous writing mistakes, but held my interest, got me engaged because of the story line. I've also read stories that are technically almost perfect, but the story itself leaves an aftertaste of dry sawdust in its wake. I prefer the one with flavor as opposed to the one with perfect language proportions.

I know for a fact that there are those here who will painstakingly read a story, not to enjoy it but to find mistakes. If, like some of my early works, I published the story with multiple egregious errors I could understand it. Back then it angered me but I came to see it as a learning experience, teaching me to be more careful with the editing process.

I have several 10,000 plus word stories that have (as far as I can find) 4 or 5 mistakes throughout the text. But someone always comes along to point them out and make the statement that they couldn't enjoy the story because of those mistakes. Should I get spun up about it? Not really. I smile and ignore it. I have come to realize that whom ever is doing it, their OCD has command of them and they can do nothing else.

I've pointed this out before, let me do so again: there are 7 verified (by handwriting experts) signatures of William Shakespeare, all from the same hand. Every one of them is spelled differently. If the Bard can do that, why should I get all twitterpated about occasionally screwing up on spelling or a misplaced period? I'll let it eat at those who can't ignore the small shit.

Comshaw

Thanks for the brilliant comment, a true voice of reason, I agree with you. When I’m reading a story, I’m looking for analogies and metaphors, the way people articulate themselves and other more creative aspects of writing,
Grammar and punctuation doesn’t make any story ‘read well’ especially when the content is mind-numbingly boring.

It seems I’m not alone in my assertion, that it’s merely a result of OCD and hypocrisy, I only made this thread so people wouldn’t be deterred, people who were new to grammar and punctuation as myself, I’m doing my best and learning more everyday.

I will however, take your advice on board and not give a rats about what these types of people have to say who prioritise technicality over creativity as those kinds of people aren’t my type of audience anyway.

I appreciate the comment, it’s given me hope, there are like-minded people on this forum who share my views and not everyone is such a grammar/punctuation ‘zealot’ should I say since the word ‘nazi’ seems to offend these types of people, they seem to see it as an attack on their foundation and core-belief, as I believe these kinds of people lack creativity, they choose to ignore it, they focus on grammar and punctuation instead as their minds can’t comprehend genuine creativity, otherwise they’d prioritise it over grammar-punctuation, which I’m not saying isn’t important but it isn’t the be end and end all.

I made another thread today stating that grammar/punctuation and writing should be deemed two completely different forms of art.

One you can learn, the other relies on talent which cannot he learned and I believe technical writers come to their conclusion after a while, that their ideas suck hence all they have left as writers are grammar and punctuation and when anyone dares say anything against it they’ll defend it virtuously as we’ve seen in this thread
Similar to Christianity or any other religion, people are incredibly defensive when it comes to it.

 

[born2rebellis]

Sexist, too.

You're on a roll.

Oh look who’s come crawling out of the woodwork, Hi ‘Simon,’ I notice you’re still ducking me, I’m still waiting for you to enlighten me on the phrase ‘to put down a rabid dog’ you were under the impression this doesn’t mean to euthanise or to have killed?

 

[Comshaw]

Don’t be so precious, princess.

If I may ask, are you being abrasive for the sake of doing so? Or are you allowing your emotions to dictate your responses? You do know that a calm logical demeanor is a lot more conducive to making a point and getting others to listen to it, than the way you've got about this don't you? Just thought.


Comshaw

 

[Djmac1031]

Did I bring enough for everyone...?

 

[SimonDoom]

Oh look who’s come crawling out of the woodwork, Hi ‘Simon,’ I notice you’re still ducking me, I’m still waiting for you to enlighten me on the phrase ‘to put down a rabid dog’ you were under the impression this doesn’t mean to euthanise or to have killed?

"Ducking you?" Seriously?

This reminds me of the scene in Casablanca between Rick and Ugarte.

Ugarte: "You despise me, don't you?"

Rick: "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."

 

[born2rebellis]

If I may ask, are you being abrasive for the sake of doing so? Or are you allowing your emotions to dictate your responses? You do know that a calm logical demeanor is a lot more conducive to making a point and getting others to listen to it, than the way you've got about this don't you? Just thought.


Comshaw

Haha what makes you think I’m not calm? I’m literally laying on my sofa at the moment with my feet up, are you suggesting I’m pacing around my living room with steam coming out of my ears?

My comment wasn’t meant to come across as abrasive, it was merely satirical. Cheers.

 

[SimonDoom]

I’m literally laying on my sofa at the moment .

Lying, not laying.

 

[born2rebellis]

"Ducking you?" Seriously?

This reminds me of the scene in Casablanca between Rick and Ugarte.

Ugarte: "You despise me, don't you?"

Rick: "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."

“I’m not ducking you, I swear I’m not ducking you”

As you proceed to duck me, again.

.....Now ‘Simon’ are you going to answer the question and provide evidence to the claim you made OR are you going to change the topic again and think another poorly fitting analogy in a vain attempt to disguise your ducking

 

[born2rebellis]

Lying, not laying.

Do you feel better now Simon? Did your correction of my miss-pronounced word channel your anxiety and hit the spot?

It did not however, achieve your agenda of making you appear smarter then I, you can’t refute my logic therefore feel compelled to attack my grammar, but in doing so only prove the exact point I was making in this post and shoot yourself in the foot. Lol

 

[born2rebellis]

Lying, not laying.

Are you okay Simen?

Has anyone ever told you not to throw mud when your hands are filthy? What I mean by this, Simen, Is only a few comments back you were calling me a rabid-dog and that “someone should put me down” as you’d feel blessed if someone on the internet, who’s never done anything to you, were dead?

You then back peddle and say, putting a rabid dog down wasn’t reference to wanting me dead yet fail to explain what the phrase means?

You then have the nerve to crawl back from wherever you came from and claim, I’m a sexist homophobe LOL.....even if that were the case, which it isn’t, you do realise, Simen, that you’re in no position to criticise anyone when you’re throwing death threats around? And making out like I’m the bad-guy for a ‘sexist remark’ when you want me dead, Simen?

Honestly, you should have stuck to your guns as silence was your better claim to wisdom then continuing to spew your vitriol and dig an even deeper hole for yourself