Regarding immigration: RWs, face it, you can't win

[pecksniff]

Why not?

And even if not they may not need to be...just a green light to do it. Plenty of folks in the border states would be happy to raise money.

IF they were smart they would use the military to secure the border the second they took power, so people could see the benefit of controlled immigration.

Then why did none of that ever happen, back when Trump was getting his way about everything else?

 

[Cubantripod]

That would not threaten American identity either. No previous wave of immigration ever did, despite much fearmongering to that effect at the time in each instance. Immigrants assimilate. Their children grow up to be just as impeccably American as any Anglo-Saxon from the original 13 states.

Immigrants came here to be Americans. Now we encourage immigrants to not be Americans. To not condone being who they were and giving up the identity they left behind is being a sellout.

 

[GothTalk]

Then why did none of that ever happen, back when Trump was getting his way about everything else?

Lots of problems, lots of administrative subversion, bad organization and planning.....the idea of securing the border is wildly popular in border states, sans California of course.

He didn't get his way with everything else.

That doesn't mean (R)'s couldn't secure the border next round, if they do they'll probably hold power for a while.

 

[WillJ8787]

We can no more keep unwanted immigrants out of the U.S. than we can keep out smuggled drugs. It is impossible. It would remain impossible if we gave ICE a budget comparable to the DoD's. It can be slowed, but not stopped. So long as foreigners have conditions at home to run away from, and even the hope of opportunities here to run to, they will find a way in. The demographic changes populist-nationalists fear will happen, and will eventually change the demographics even of the whitest and reddest rural counties.

Since these folks want to come, want to work, want to be citizens (good decent ones), don't want to overthrow such a great country...

Let's make a trade with Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala....we will give you these shitstain traitor Republicans for your decent upstanding folks.

Sounds like a great deal to me!

 

[GothTalk]

Since these folks want to come, want to work, want to be citizens (good decent ones), don't want to overthrow such a great country...

If they wanted to be citizens, they wouldn't be here illegally.

You lie in the face of objective reality.

 

[WillJ8787]

We can no more keep unwanted immigrants out of the U.S. than we can keep out smuggled drugs. It is impossible. It would remain impossible if we gave ICE a budget comparable to the DoD's. It can be slowed, but not stopped. So long as foreigners have conditions at home to run away from, and even the hope of opportunities here to run to, they will find a way in. The demographic changes populist-nationalists fear will happen, and will eventually change the demographics even of the whitest and reddest rural counties.

If they wanted to be citizens, they wouldn't be here illegally.

You lie in the face of objective reality.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

 

[pecksniff]

Immigrants came here to be Americans. Now we encourage immigrants to not be Americans.

Doesn't matter, they will be. They might keep up the old ways for a generation or two, but that doesn't matter either. Lawrence Welk talked like some kinda furriner. Actually, he grew up in Strasburg, North Dakota -- where everybody spoke German; he learned English in school. But he was quite American enough.

 

[BidudeinWi]

We can no more keep unwanted immigrants out of the U.S. than we can keep out smuggled drugs. It is impossible. It would remain impossible if we gave ICE a budget comparable to the DoD's. It can be slowed, but not stopped. So long as foreigners have conditions at home to run away from, and even the hope of opportunities here to run to, they will find a way in. The demographic changes populist-nationalists fear will happen, and will eventually change the demographics even of the whitest and reddest rural counties.

When Trump pounds the living fuck out of kenyan born Oblunder/Dementia Joe in 2024, he’ll finish the wall and it will stop the criminals pouring across the border!

 

[BidudeinWi]

Even if the next R administration is Trump's and he has a Pub Congress, the funding will not be disbursed. It never was last time those circumstances prevailed, and there are good reasons for that.

Hey dumb cunt, you and your LibFuck predictions NEVER come true. Remember your ranting on Russian Collusion? Didn’t age well.

You are a retard, old as fuck, dumb as shit, and the biggest gaslighting asshole on this board! Maybe spend some time reading your Medicare policy or something.

 

[Cubantripod]

When Trump pounds the living fuck out of kenyan born Oblunder/Dementia Joe in 2024, he’ll finish the wall and it will stop the criminals pouring across the border!

Trump should stay in retirement.

 

[pecksniff]

If they wanted to be citizens, they wouldn't be here illegally.

You lie in the face of objective reality.

The objective reality is that our legal immigration quotas are too low to meet the demand. That's the only reason why anybody comes here illegally. It does not mean they're in any way anti-American.

 

[jomar]

When Trump pounds the living fuck out of kenyan born Oblunder/Dementia Joe in 2024, he’ll finish the wall and it will stop the criminals pouring across the border!

Quoted for sheer dumbassery and more.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Quoted for sheer dumbassery and more.

Quoted for blatant glib ignorance!

 

[BidudeinWi]

Trump should stay in retirement.

But won’t. The LibFuck machine won’t be able to cheat to the degree of the ass-whooping landslide coming! Hehehehe!

 

[jomar]

Quoted for blatant glib ignorance!

Quoted for sheer dumbassery and more.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Quoted for sheer dumbassery and more.

You already said that, dumbass!

 

[GothTalk]

The objective reality is that our legal immigration quotas are too low to meet the demand.

What demand??

And if that's the case the Congress should decide to change them.

That's the only reason why anybody comes here illegally.

No it's not.

It does not mean they're in any way anti-American.

I never said it did.

I said the scum bags subverting our democracy, rule of law and citizenship by offering sanctuary and incentives to illegals are anti-American.

Learn to read son... it will help.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Personally, I have no problem with people wanting to live in America. They're welcome as far as I am concerned.

However, what we will need to focus on is the entitlements and welfare programs - they need to go.

Come to America! Welcome! Good luck to you. Now get a job.

So long as I am not being taxed to give support to freeloaders, I am completely happy for people to come here and lend this country their strength and labor and innovations.

So basically people in nations with limited opportunity need to find a way to save up enough money to live for at least a few months before the immigrate to a place so they can get a job and find safety for their families or whatever their motivations are?

 

[LittleDixie]

So basically people in nations with limited opportunity need to find a way to save up enough money to live for at least a few months before the immigrate to a place so they can get a job and find safety for their families or whatever their motivations are?

Basically, all human beings should pay their own way.

If you want to move to a new city or a new country, or just a new apartment, you have got to pay for it.

It's your responsibility to pay your way through your life. If you can't be bothered to do that, then you should bear the fruit you have sown.

 

[GothTalk]

So basically people in nations with limited opportunity need to find a way to save up enough money to live for at least a few months before the immigrate to a place so they can get a job and find safety for their families or whatever their motivations are?

No, they need to un-fuck their shit hole, ours is full up on it's own shit.

 

[pecksniff]

What demand??

That of would-be immigrants. There are more who want to come here than our legal quotas will allow, even if they fill out all the required forms and submit to the required background checks and jump through any other required hoops. That is the only reason any of them come illegally (or come legally and stay on illegally).

 

[GothTalk]

That of would-be immigrants.

From where???

Who's demanding them exactly???

Nobody.

It's a made up demand you pulled out of your ass and doesn't exist.

 

[pecksniff]

From where???

Who's demanding them exactly???

Nobody.

It's a made up demand you pulled out of your ass and doesn't exist.

There are more who want to come here than our legal quotas will allow, even if they fill out all the required forms and submit to the required background checks and jump through any other required hoops. That is the only reason any of them come illegally (or come legally and stay on illegally).

And that does not mean they don't want to be citizens -- nor does it mean they are not fit to be.

 

[GothTalk]

There are more who want to come here than our legal quotas will allow,

Their want is not our demand.

Like I said, you're pulling bullshit out of thin air and lying 100mph to shill for the fucking SCUMBAG anti-American politics you support.

That is the only reason any of them come illegally (or come legally and stay on illegally).

No, the only reason any of them come here illegally or stay illegally is because (D)'eez do all they can to subvert our democracy, destabilize our society and degrade citizenship in the USA by incentivizing and protecting those who come/stay here illegally.

 

[pecksniff]

Basically, all human beings should pay their own way.

If you want to move to a new city or a new country, or just a new apartment, you have got to pay for it.

Many do that by getting into debt to coyotes.