I Think This Is Unfair.

[yamucha]

Okay, so one of my stories I've submitted was rejected. Of course, I was confused by this, as I believe there wasn't anything in the story that I believe would have broken any rules or would have a reason for it to be sent back.

So, I checked to see why. And this is what I was sent back with:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423880794822410260/917512274304979044/pissyourselfliterotica.png

So I'm checking my story, and this is the section they are talking about, which is the introduction of the story:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423880794822410260/917510552606089257/image0.png

This is the only part in my story that talks about how the character fantasizes about older men. There is no explicit descriptions or further elaboration on it. That's the only section in the entire story that ever talks about that, that one line. The rest of the story is about the character at nineteen years old having consensual sex with a sexy older man who is her type.

I think it's unfair that my story was sent back just because of that one line. All the character says is that she would fantasize about older men ever since she was younger, which is a reflection of myself and how I felt about older men since I was that age. As I said, there is nothing else in the story that refers back to this or elaborates any further on it. It's a little bit ridiculous, it's not like I had no idea what sex was at all and then somehow magically became sexually active as soon as I turned 18.

Look, I understand why this rule is in place, which is to protect minors and keep out pedophiles, but I think it's kind of hypocritical in a way that this site won't let you submit a story with one line talking about how a character would fantasize about older men, but at the same time will greenlight incest and non-con. It's a very strange place to draw that line on what's 'morally incorrect' when the site allows stuff that's equally as bad as pedophilia.

I just think it’s interesting how Literotica can be like; "Ooh, we can’t post that, you made a one-line reference to the character fantasizing about sexual activity when they were a teenager," but also be like; "WOWZA!!!! You wrote a story about a character who JUST turned 18 and is getting raped by their father, older brother, uncle, and grandfather at the same time? Great! We can absolutely post that!"

Anyway, this might seem like I'm being a bitch over one line that I can easily edit, which is what I did. I'm just frustrated that I was waiting for days for my story to be posted, and it got sent back because of one line that I believe didn't even break the rules. I hope there are others out there who have experienced the same thing and can relate to this. Once again, I'm not trying to attack the moderators or flame the site, but this is very frustrating and I believe it's unfair.

And if you come for me saying that I used the word 'fantasizing,' yes I used the word but the rules say that explicit descriptions are banned.

 

[NotWise]

Simple fix: remove that part of your story. If it never comes up again, then it probably doesn't add anything substantive anyway.

It isn't unfair. We all function under the same rules.

 

[MellowJoe]

Did you even read that feedback message?

Especially the part where it says "This includes but is not limited to ... fantasizing"

And the part in your story that says "Ever since I was 15 years old, I've found myself fantasizing about some of the older men in my life."

 

[yamucha]

Simple fix: remove that part of your story. If it never comes up again, then it probably doesn't add anything substantive anyway.

It isn't unfair. We all function under the same rules.

I suppose you're right, I just think it's very strange that Literotica is so strict on rules on anything even remotely connecting underage characters and sexual activity but have whole categories for incest and non-con which are pretty much just as bad.

It is a little bit hypocritical... But I suppose morals are relative or whatever, and the rules are the rules and I just have to follow them whether I disagree or not.

 

[yamucha]

Did you even read that feedback message?

Especially the part where it says "This includes but is not limited to ... fantasizing"

And the part in your story that says "Ever since I was 15 years old, I've found myself fantasizing about some of the older men in my life."

"This includes but is not limited to talking explicitly about sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism, fantasizing, masturbation, and graphic sexualized descriptions, in addition to actual sexual intercourse."

I never said anything explicit about it. All I said is the word 'fantasizing.'

 

[geronimo_appleby]

unfair? that’s the rule. don’t agree? kind of tough. this keeps coming around and around. you won’t ‘fix’ it. either accept the rule or move on.

 

[rescatooor]

"This includes but is not limited to talking explicitly about sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism, fantasizing, masturbation, and graphic sexualized descriptions, in addition to actual sexual intercourse."

I never said anything explicit about it. All I said is the word 'fantasizing.'

I think "talking explicitly about sex" is its own separate point. No connection to the fantasizing bit.

It sounds like a bit of a borderline case. But if they referred to it as the problem point, just roll with it. Running a site like this, deciding over it's rules, it requires some tyranny. If Laurel says it's no-go, it's no-go.

 

[KeithD]

So, you got nailed in the first sentence. Change the sentence and resubmit. This wasn't an unfair Web site rejection.

 

[SimonDoom]

The rule may seem strange, but it's not unfair. It is what it is, and I'm pretty sure that every experienced writer here would look at that passage of yours and say, Of course the story got rejected. It's not a matter of right and wrong. That's the Site rule.

The under 18 year rule is a fairly black and white rule, except in cases of characters that are said to be over 18 but act like they are under 18, or are physically described as though they are under 18. That's a gray area. But your passage is not a gray area. It obviously won't be allowed.

 

[oggbashan]

See this sticky thread at the top of the Authprs' hangout;

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1545753

No sex before 18 is the cause for most rejections. Your passage is an obvious rule breaker and unless you remove or change it, your story will continue to be rejected.

As to why there is such a rulke? Look at other sites that allow sex before 18 and shudder.

 

[yukonnights]

I suppose you're right, I just think it's very strange that Literotica is so strict on rules on anything even remotely connecting underage characters and sexual activity but have whole categories for incest and non-con which are pretty much just as bad.

It is a little bit hypocritical... But I suppose morals are relative or whatever, and the rules are the rules and I just have to follow them whether I disagree or not.

Obviously, no one considers you a pedophile and the reference you put in your story is an accurate depiction of the real world. Teens do think about sex — duh!

But: The under 18 restriction has always been in place here. Without it, one can only imagine the content some would publish. The incest and non-con categories would be a afloat with pedophilia themed stories. With the ban on under 18 sexual content, those — and all — categories can be free of that.

The rule isn't hypocritical at all, it's very clear and prevents actual pedophiles from publishing their stories here — and probably keeps some of them away in general.

If what you wrote in the introduction to your story is the only place you mention anyone under 18; It's an easy edit to simply bump the age up. Perhaps it was at your 18th birthday party you where you fantasize, for example.

 

[TadOverdon]

I think I've gotten by with substituting stuff like "Ever since I was old enough, I've fantasized..." but I can't guarantee that'll pass muster.

 

[LAHomedog]

Simply rewrite and resubmit. We all have had to do it. Bottom line.

 

[rescatooor]

Simply rewrite and resubmit. We all have had to do it. Bottom line.

Nope. I have never had to rewrite or resubmit anything. Maybe because most of my characters are fairly obviously or explicitly past 18.

Lots of stories around here that dance right at the edge of that age limit, with "all characters are over 18" slapped at the beginning. I'm sure a lot of the readers are familiar with the no under 18 rule as well, so they have probably learned to ignore the mentions of 18th birthdays when reading a story involving high schools and hot teachers.

 

[lovecraft68]

If you want to keep the section, take out the #15 and do "I always fantasized about" or even-if she's 19 "The last few years I have always fantasized about..."

Because here's the thing, lit is very shady with their under age and non con rules, but especially underage. What they don't want is being that blatant and stating an age, imply it, or letting the reader think it on their own is another story.

I will once again post the argument that this is a site that allows 'budding breasts' as a physical description, along with all manner of descriptions and actions and speech that scream under age.

But they say they don't want underage? Right.

Just drop the number and you're fine, because the rule is wink wink and the biggest hypocrisy here is the self righteous toadies in these threads acting like there's no underage on this site, Its rampant.

 

[Lovecraft_lore2]

Okay, so one of my stories I've submitted was rejected. Of course, I was confused by this, as I believe there wasn't anything in the story that I believe would have broken any rules or would have a reason for it to be sent back.

So, I checked to see why. And this is what I was sent back with:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423880794822410260/917512274304979044/pissyourselfliterotica.png

So I'm checking my story, and this is the section they are talking about, which is the introduction of the story:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423880794822410260/917510552606089257/image0.png

This is the only part in my story that talks about how the character fantasizes about older men. There is no explicit descriptions or further elaboration on it. That's the only section in the entire story that ever talks about that, that one line. The rest of the story is about the character at nineteen years old having consensual sex with a sexy older man who is her type.

I think it's unfair that my story was sent back just because of that one line. All the character says is that she would fantasize about older men ever since she was younger, which is a reflection of myself and how I felt about older men since I was that age. As I said, there is nothing else in the story that refers back to this or elaborates any further on it. It's a little bit ridiculous, it's not like I had no idea what sex was at all and then somehow magically became sexually active as soon as I turned 18.

Look, I understand why this rule is in place, which is to protect minors and keep out pedophiles, but I think it's kind of hypocritical in a way that this site won't let you submit a story with one line talking about how a character would fantasize about older men, but at the same time will greenlight incest and non-con. It's a very strange place to draw that line on what's 'morally incorrect' when the site allows stuff that's equally as bad as pedophilia.

I just think it’s interesting how Literotica can be like; "Ooh, we can’t post that, you made a one-line reference to the character fantasizing about sexual activity when they were a teenager," but also be like; "WOWZA!!!! You wrote a story about a character who JUST turned 18 and is getting raped by their father, older brother, uncle, and grandfather at the same time? Great! We can absolutely post that!"

Anyway, this might seem like I'm being a bitch over one line that I can easily edit, which is what I did. I'm just frustrated that I was waiting for days for my story to be posted, and it got sent back because of one line that I believe didn't even break the rules. I hope there are others out there who have experienced the same thing and can relate to this. Once again, I'm not trying to attack the moderators or flame the site, but this is very frustrating and I believe it's unfair.

And if you come for me saying that I used the word 'fantasizing,' yes I used the word but the rules say that explicit descriptions are banned.

Maybe lamp shade it, but the rules are pretty clear. Nothing under 18.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Okay, so one of my stories I've submitted was rejected. ...[/I] are banned.

I received that same rejection on my "Lifestyle Ch.01..." for the same reasons. Two High School juniors (approx 16-17 years old) planned to go to the prom for "the whole experience" of making out afterwards, and the girl reminiscing about teasing another girl in 8th grade about a falsie was what got mine rejected.

I had to re-write half of that first chapter specifying these were two 18-year-old virgins as seniors awaiting their senior prom, which makes the story less realistic.

But I've come to realize Literotica isn't about self-publishing for an end product, but rather a prototyping site to get some focus group feedback. Then refine your story as you really want it and self-publish on a better site.

 

[TadOverdon]

they have probably learned to ignore the mentions of 18th birthdays when reading a story involving high schools and hot teachers.

Greenleaf High School is noteworthy in the annals of American public education as a one-year institution with a student body consisting entirely of graduating seniors who are all at least eighteen years old, with a smattering of rather dimwitted nineteen and even possibly occasional twenty-year-olds who've had to repeat.

 

[KeithD]

If you can't set your story in a junior college, which has nearly all of the same attributes as a senior high school, you, at least subconsciously, are insistent on playing the underage card. It then is vital to you to be doing so.

 

[Lifestyle66]

If you can't set your story in a junior college, which has nearly all of the same attributes as a senior high school, you, at least subconsciously, are insistent on playing the underage card. It then is vital to you to be doing so.

I received that same rejection on my "Lifestyle Ch.01..." for two High School juniors (approx 16-17 years old) planned to go to the prom for "the whole experience" of making out afterwards.

it seems some know-it-alls think the 40-year-old virgin is the erotic standard

 

[NotWise]

If you want to keep the section, take out the #15 and do "I always fantasized about" or even-if she's 19 "The last few years I have always fantasized about..."

Because here's the thing, lit is very shady with their under age and non con rules, but especially underage. What they don't want is being that blatant and stating an age, imply it, or letting the reader think it on their own is another story.

There's a thread in the editor's forum for do's and don'ts for Lit newbies. My "don't" suggestion was essentially, "don't cite numeric ages."

 

[KeithD]

I
it seems some know-it-alls think the 40-year-old virgin is the erotic standard

Apparently, you feel the need to exaggerate.

Plus the bluster on this issue has gone way past tedious.

 

[TadOverdon]

If you can't set your story in a junior college, which has nearly all of the same attributes as a senior high school, you, at least subconsciously, are insistent on playing the underage card. It then is vital to you to be doing so.

Bless your heart.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Apparently, you feel the need to exaggerate.

Plus the bluster on this issue has gone way past tedious.

For most who lost their virginity in junior high school, insisting that community college is the same is WHAT? .

 

[KeithD]

For most who lost their virginity in junior high school, insisting that community college is the same is WHAT? .

Did I mention the tediousness of the constant posting on this issue?