"I didn't pull the trigger"

[Sean Renaud]

At this point in his career if he doesn’t know how firearms work or the relationship between a revolvers trigger and hammer he shouldn’t be allowed near one.

But I do agree the assumption on a set is that a gun has no live rounds due to safety protocols being properly followed, so even if he did have the trigger pulled when he let go of the hammer there would be no expectation anything would happen with a cold gun.

I don't care empigj about Alec Baldwin to know the roles he's taken over his career so I don't really know if youre claim is correct. Dave Chapelle has been around since at least the mid to early 90s. He's in Robin Hood: Men in Tights. I don't recaall a single movie or show where he has used a fire arm. I can't recall the last time I saw Jim Carrey but he's been around since the before times when he was the only whtie man on 'In Living Color and the same goes for him. So the amount of time you've spent in the acting business has very little bearing on your knowledge of firearm safety one way or another. And that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure if I put some thought in I could name a few dozen actors like that.

And again, I'm not saying he's blameless. I'm saying there is a possibility that he just had the hammer in the wrong spot and didn't care where the weapon was aimed because there shouldn't have been live ammo in it.

I'm probably a little younger than you but I've lived long enough to know that the simplest most boring answer is usually the right answer. It fucking sucks but there.

Everybody wants to think it's God instead of you know all of the more plausible answers. I mean lets say for the sake of argument he had some sort of spasm and did pull the trigger and didn't feel it. Does that significantly change the situation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w47UQxld7LM

 

[Champakian]

I keep hearing that the movie set culture and safety rules mean no live rounds on set ever. So the expectation an actor has is that the armorer is preparing guns properly and ensuring safety. So when the actor is handed a cold gun they have no reason to think it poses an actual danger, so no need to check it because people are doing their jobs and no live rounds on the set, like always.

But let’s say the actor does check. How are they to tell the dummy rounds apart from a real bullet since they are identical in looks?

Dummies are crimped instead of holding a round.

 

[Champakian]

I think the trigger-pull story will come down to a mater of gun mechanics. Old single-action revolvers could fire a round by simply dropping the hammer withno trigger pull, as Baldwin says happened. Modern versions of the same gun require that the trigger be pulled to remove a blocker bar in front of the hammer to allow it to strike the round's primer.

if Baldwin's gun is atrue antique, it's possible. I not, he's not telling the truth.

Alec's story is "evolving."

What he's saying NOW is the result of expert coaching,
experts hired by his defense team.

Hollywood is sleaze...

 

[bellisarius]

I think the trigger-pull story will come down to a mater of gun mechanics. Old single-action revolvers could fire a round by simply dropping the hammer withno trigger pull, as Baldwin says happened. Modern versions of the same gun require that the trigger be pulled to remove a blocker bar in front of the hammer to allow it to strike the round's primer.

if Baldwin's gun is atrue antique, it's possible. I not, he's not telling the truth.

Not true. All of the old SA's had a half-cock stage. Even the new transfer bar designs have a half-cock. To find revolvers that did not have half-cock modes you have to go back to the old cap and ball types.

The transfer bar, and similar, designs came about as a result of a couple of lawsuits where the individual dropped the revolver WITH the hammer down on a loaded chamber. The resulting impact could cause the firearm to discharge. Those circumstances DO NOT fit this case.

 

[Champakian]

I do not know what is more lacking in the general population:

Firearm or Economic education.

It's a tossup...

 

[jomar]

I don't care empigj about Alec Baldwin to know the roles he's taken over his career so I don't really know if youre claim is correct.
…

So the amount of time you've spent in the acting business has very little bearing on your knowledge of firearm safety one way or another.

I know, that’s why my comment was specific to Baldwin. He’s been in plenty of gun movies.

And again, I'm not saying he's blameless. I'm saying there is a possibility that he just had the hammer in the wrong spot and didn't care where the weapon was aimed because there shouldn't have been live ammo in it.

Seems like I read he was directed to point the gun under her arm…conflicting stories.

Dummies are crimped instead of holding a round.

No, blanks are crimped wads that go bang. Dummies are inert but look exactly like real bullets and are used for loading and looking down the barrel scenes.

 

[Champakian]

Do dummies go *bang*?

 

[HisArpy]

I have never argued, Baldwin the producer may not have liability, only that as the Actor, he was not obligated to do anything but follow the scene as directed.

As the actor he was under no obligation to check the "prop gun", anymore than he would be under obligations to check if the car he was driving on set for a scene is mechanically fit.

How does having a "title" exempt someone from personally being careful not to injure/kill someone?

"But, someone said..." or "Someone told me ..." or even "It's all their fault..." isn't a viable excuse. Ever.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I don't understand why people are so visceral in their defense of Baldwin. It's undisputed that he shot someone!

Jesus wept.

 

[bellisarius]

The individual that pulled the trigger is responsible..............PERIOD. And he DID pull that trigger.

His latest ploy is to imply the firearm was faulty, fine. It is in the possession of the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Dept. and I'm certain that it will be looked into. Even if found to be faulty it does not absolve him, it would merely reduce the charges under the law and have an effect on the sentencing.

He should have kept his mouth shut.

 

[jomar]

Do dummies go *bang*?

You asking for a friend?

 

[Champakian]

The individual that pulled the trigger is responsible..............PERIOD. And he DID pull that trigger.

His latest ploy is to imply the firearm was faulty, fine. It is in the possession of the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Dept. and I'm certain that it will be looked into. Even if found to be faulty it does not absolve him, it would merely reduce the charges under the law and have an effect on the sentencing.

He should have kept his mouth shut.

No, you're behind the times.

His new latest ploy is that his finger
wasn't even on the trigger. It's
premature projectalization....

He's the real victim here!

 

[Champakian]

You asking for a friend?

I'm asking you Mr. parse-a-lot...

 

[jomar]

I'm asking you Mr. parse-a-lot...

Ah, it seems like you think I’m parsing blank and dummy?

I thought you said you were smack in the middle of gun culture.

 

[Champakian]

It's how one properly responds to non sequitur challenges...

 

[jomar]

It's how one properly responds to non sequitur challenges...

You mean like “do dummies go bang”?

 

[Champakian]

You win.

 

[bellisarius]

No, you're behind the times.

His new latest ploy is that his finger
wasn't even on the trigger. It's
premature projectalization....

He's the real victim here!

He went to NRA online and looked up the safety rules huh?

 

[Champakian]

As much as he hates guns,
it has been reported that he
hated the NRA even more...

 

[Bud_Spencer]

.
Pud got out over his skis and is now preparing ANOTHER insincere mea culpa to atone for his premature evaluation.

SAD!!!

No, I think his story is 100% bullshit still, carefully crafted with the help of a room full of lawyers.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

The Hollywood MSM is making a Hollywood actor out to be a murderer in the MSM!

Lol. Never stop.

 

[Lazaran]

.
Harpy is going to be proven wrong AGAIN when Alec Baldwin is not criminally charged with anything.

The production company and Baldwin himself obviously have some civil liability exposure, but that would exist under any circumstances where an accidental death occured on set.

*nods*

 

[Lazaran]

I don't understand why people are so visceral in their defense of Baldwin. It's undisputed that he shot someone!

Jesus wept.

People are so "visceral" in thier DEFENSE of Baldwin????

Are you fucking serious????

I would say that some people are being "visceral" in their ATTACKS on Baldwin.

*knowing nod*

 

[jomar]

Yeah, I don’t know that anyone is defending Baldwin. Folk are noodling around with the circumstances and law and stuff, though.

 

[bellisarius]

No, I think his story is 100% bullshit still, carefully crafted with the help of a room full of lawyers.

If so he's got some really bad representation. He should have kept his damn mouth shut, but he didn't. And in his rambling and 'acting' he's managed to contradict himself more than once.

Let me be clear. I do not believe he loaded live rounds in the gun and purposely shot those people. And while this is indeed a tragic turn of events he can not escape his role.

1. He did not check the firearm himself. (The excuse that he's just a ignorant actor stretches credulity too far. He's stared in far too many movies the involved firearms to believe that he didn't have at a minimum the basic knowledge of how they function.)

2. He pointed the firearm directly at an individual. Even if specifically directed to do so he should have refused.

3. He pulled the trigger. There is NO doubt on this point. The firearm in question is a replica of the 1873 single action Colt. (Real single action armies are far to valuable to be used as props.) His story of pulling back the hammer and it 'slipped' does not bear up to scrutiny. The replica used is a "4 click" design and unless severely abused CANNOT fire merely because the hammer slipped.

SAA Colt action analysis.

There are some in the legal community and firearm community that believe that Baldwin purposely pointed the revolver at the cinematographer and pulled the trigger. Given Baldwin's long history of lack of anger management there is some credibility to that opinion. None of them assert that Baldwin knew the gun was loaded with a live round and went about murdering that poor lady.