Fan fiction. Is it safe to do?

[8letters]

I'll toss this out here as somewhat related - If I do my own version of the movie "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters" where Hansel and Gretel wind up as a couple, does it belong in I/T or Celeb/Fan Fiction?

 

[rescatooor]

I'll toss this out here as somewhat related - If I do my own version of the movie "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters" where Hansel and Gretel wind up as a couple, does it belong in I/T or Celeb/Fan Fiction?

I/T. Trump category no. 1.

Although you'd have to be very clear of it being a fan fiction of that film. It's one of those fairy tales where they are very clearly kids in the original. Make sure it's not a simple case of aging them up.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'll toss this out here as somewhat related - If I do my own version of the movie "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters" where Hansel and Gretel wind up as a couple, does it belong in I/T or Celeb/Fan Fiction?

I'd put it in I/T because it would get a MUCH bigger audience.

My recommendation would be to play UP the connection to the classic (and non-copyrighted) story of Hansel and Gretel and to play DOWN the connection to the recent (and very much copyrighted) movie.

This way you accomplish two things: 1) you insulate yourself from any legal objection, and at the same time 2) anyone who's actually seen that movie will recognize elements of it without any effort on your part.

 

[rescatooor]

I'd put it in I/T because it would get a MUCH bigger audience.

My recommendation would be to play UP the connection to the classic (and non-copyrighted) story of Hansel and Gretel and to play DOWN the connection to the recent (and very much copyrighted) movie.

This way you accomplish two things: 1) you insulate yourself from any legal objection, and at the same time 2) anyone who's actually seen that movie will recognize elements of it without any effort on your part.

That last one will be a challenge. I saw it on big screen, could name most of the actors but could tell you next to nothing of the plot or the characters.

I don't even remember how convincing Pihla Viitala's accent was.

But you sure about playing up the classic? It's been discussed here numerous times how aging up characters is not really acceptable, especially if they stem from children's media.

 

[SimonDoom]

That last one will be a challenge. I saw it on big screen, could name most of the actors but could tell you next to nothing of the plot or the characters.

I don't even remember how convincing Pihla Viitala's accent was.

But you sure about playing up the classic? It's been discussed here numerous times how aging up characters is not really acceptable, especially if they stem from children's media.

There are plenty of examples of Literotica stories that stem from classic, non-copyrighted fairy tales, like Snow White. So there's evidence to believe such stories will pass the gauntlet. The original stories do not state their ages, as I recall. They're not like Harry Potter, where it's completely clear that the characters are under 18 for almost the entire series.

If the story makes it clear that Hansel and Gretel are over 18, and if its story and characters are not TOO close to the unique features of the movie, I don't see why there would be a problem.

 

[ElectricBlue]

2. I personally do not report stories. I leave that to Laurel. If a story somehow gets published that in my opinion violates Laurel's content regulations, I don't care, and it's somewhat puzzling to me why others would care. But that's just my opinion.

I think it's a legitimate part of our community self policing itself against deliberate subversion of the well-established policy content rules. We all know shit creeps through, either accidentally or by blatant manipulation, and sometimes I do think it's down to us to help protect our publishing platform.

I don't read enough here to find much shit, but I have reported some blatant paedophilia that should never have gone through. If you let the sewer leak in, it eventually gets up to street level, and all our shoes stink.

It's one of the moral high grounds/low bars we all have with regards to Lit. It's no different to those folk who think they're a hero keeping every garbage comment versus those who consider comments to be advertising, and don't want to live with shit on their lawn. It all comes down to your own views on the platform we've been provided, and the kind of neighbourhood you want to live in.

 

[rescatooor]

There are plenty of examples of Literotica stories that stem from classic, non-copyrighted fairy tales, like Snow White. So there's evidence to believe such stories will pass the gauntlet. The original stories do not state their ages, as I recall. They're not like Harry Potter, where it's completely clear that the characters are under 18 for almost the entire series.

If the story makes it clear that Hansel and Gretel are over 18, and if its story and characters are not TOO close to the unique features of the movie, I don't see why there would be a problem.

I don't get it. What's the difference to Harry Potter here? What's toping us from pulling the same trick? Assuming of course that Literotica didn't have its special rule and Harry Potter was banned by default.

Snow White is different because in most depictions she is an adult. Not the case with Hansel and Gretel.

 

[KeithD]

I don't get it. What's the difference to Harry Potter here? What's toping us from pulling the same trick? Assuming of course that Literotica didn't have its special rule and Harry Potter was banned by default.

Snow White is different because in most depictions she is an adult. Not the case with Hansel and Gretel.

The Snow White and Hansel and Gretel stories are in the public domain. The Harry Potter stories aren't.

I'd let Laurel decide if a Hansel and Gretel retelling in I/T terms would fly here without reporting something I found questionable in this regard (assuming I'd ever see it). The management-author connection isn't strong here. I'd let management carry the ball on acceptability.

 

[rescatooor]

The Snow White and Hansel and Gretel stories are in the public domain. The Harry Potter stories aren't.

I'd let Laurel decide if a Hansel and Gretel retelling in I/T terms would fly here without reporting something I found questionable in this regard (assuming I'd ever see it). The management-author connection isn't strong here. I'd let management carry the ball on acceptability.

Yes, I get that, but we are talking fan fiction. And let's be real here, most of the fan fiction here isn't based on characters in public domain. So that's clearly not the issue here. The issue is the aging up of characters that are clearly minors in the original. And this case not just minors: so young that it is assumed that they'd die alone in the forest and have underdeveloped morals to eat someone's house without thinking too much about it.

The film is obviously after all that. They're grown up. But if the advice is to distance yourself from the copyrighted material, that means getting dangerously close to the original in which the characters are anything but. And I am a little surprised that this is your (specifically SimonDoom's) suggestion.

 

[8letters]

I'd put it in I/T because it would get a MUCH bigger audience.

My recommendation would be to play UP the connection to the classic (and non-copyrighted) story of Hansel and Gretel and to play DOWN the connection to the recent (and very much copyrighted) movie.

This way you accomplish two things: 1) you insulate yourself from any legal objection, and at the same time 2) anyone who's actually seen that movie will recognize elements of it without any effort on your part.

I disagree with you here. If I play up the connection to the classic, then I'm aging up non-adult characters. What is interesting to me about the story is the interaction of the adult brother-sister witch hunters. I'm doubtful that Paramount is regularly searching Literotica for stories that feature content from their movies. There's a rewrite of "Back to the Future" on Archive of Our Own

 

[KeithD]

Yes, I get that, but we are talking fan fiction. And let's be real here, .

You asked what the difference is. I answered that. One is in the public domain and the other isn't.

None of that (or much of anything else discussed on this thread) concerns whether the Web site is going to allow it. The Web site doesn't strictly follow the law (or strictly follow anything else) on what it permits to be in the file here.

As noted, I wouldn't report anything the Web site let get through the first time. This is their problem. I think they play too loose with their rejection practice as it is. I can take personal responsibility for what I read (or don't) here.

 

[rescatooor]

You asked what the difference is. I answered that. One is in the public domain and the other isn't.

None of that (or much of anything else discussed on this thread) concerns whether the Web site is going to allow it. The Web site doesn't strictly follow the law (or strictly follow anything else) on what it permits to be in the file here.

As noted, I wouldn't report anything the Web site let get through the first time. This is their problem. I think they play too loose with their rejection practice as it is. I can take personal responsibility for what I read (or don't) here.

Thanks for being so hopeful.

 

[KeithD]

Yes, folks here tend to be hostile to realism.

 

[rescatooor]

Yes, folks here tend to be hostile

Oh. Who have you seen bullied here?

 

[KeithD]

Oh. Who have you seen bullied here?

You must be kidding.

 

[rescatooor]

You must be kidding.

Why must I be kidding? You say people are hostile. Who has hurt you?

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I am thinking of doing some fan fiction. It is a bit lazy, but I won't have to describe the players in my story as they will be readily known by anyone who reads my story.
Is it okay to use real names of actors who are going to be hired to star in my 'film'?
Is it okay if I use the names of characters and places that are already in existance, even thought they themselves are not real?
It's only for fun, but I don't want to be in any trouble for doing it.

As far as I'm concerned; there's too much bullshit to wade through to do fan fiction on here. Best just take it to FanFictionNet or AO3(ArchiveOfOurOwn), which will yield better readership, probably. Have you read fanfiction, it's not all that lazy, you just have pretty much everything laid out for you, unless you're gonna go a bit, or a far left field with it. I write on both sites, taking a break from writing here.

 

[KeithD]

What, so they can resume? I've been stalked on this board for over a decade. After the most recent personal attack gangbanging, all of my new story postings have been tanked (everything since the middle of the summer contest). Don't talk to me about hostility on this board. And it just goes on and on, so just drop it. I'm not planning on knuckling under to it. I do quite well at other story sites.

 

[rescatooor]

What, so they can resume?

Who is they?

 

[JaxRhapsody]

You must be kidding.

Bwahaha!

 

[Bramblethorn]

There are plenty of examples of Literotica stories that stem from classic, non-copyrighted fairy tales, like Snow White. So there's evidence to believe such stories will pass the gauntlet. The original stories do not state their ages, as I recall. They're not like Harry Potter, where it's completely clear that the characters are under 18 for almost the entire series.

If the story makes it clear that Hansel and Gretel are over 18, and if its story and characters are not TOO close to the unique features of the movie, I don't see why there would be a problem.

Which characters? The students are under 18, but there are plenty of teacher/parent/etc. characters in the HP series who are well over, and outside Literotica there's plenty of fanfic written about those adult characters.

There are plenty of other properties out there that focus on child protagonists but with adults around, and Literotica doesn't normally ban authors from writing about the adult characters from those stories. For instance, here's a story featuring Willy Wonka.

What does make HP different is that Rowling, her publishers, and their lawyers, have a history of sending cease-and-desist letters to sites hosting adult HP fanfic. I suspect that has a lot to do with why Literotica treats it as a special case, regardless of which characters people might want to write about.

 

[rescatooor]

Which characters? The students are under 18, but there are plenty of teacher/parent/etc. characters in the HP series who are well over, and outside Literotica there's plenty of fanfic written about those adult characters.

There are plenty of other properties out there that focus on child protagonists but with adults around, and Literotica doesn't normally ban authors from writing about the adult characters from those stories. For instance, here's a story featuring Willy Wonka.

What does make HP different is that Rowling, her publishers, and their lawyers, have a history of sending cease-and-desist letters to sites hosting adult HP fanfic. I suspect that has a lot to do with why Literotica treats it as a special case, regardless of which characters people might want to write about.

Well, how about Hansel and Gretel then? Fan fiction that follows closely to the original but the characters are "aged up"?

Or would it be preferable to make a fan fiction of an IP of these character in which they are adults? As 8letters was thinking of doing.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Well, how about Hansel and Gretel then? Fan fiction that follows closely to the original but the characters are "aged up"?

Or would it be preferable to make a fan fiction of an IP of these character in which they are adults? As 8letters was thinking of doing.

IIRC, Literotica specifically prohibits aging up as a way of getting around the age limit, so if you wanted to do H&G you'd probably need to do the latter.

Pedantic and mostly irrelevant side note: the original version of Hansel and Gretel has long since been lost to history. It's an old tale-type with many variations (check here, or google on "ATU 327A"). The one most of us know best is the Brothers Grimm version, but they put that together from older versions.

However, all the classic versions that I'm aware of are pretty clear that the children are well under-age, so none of them make a good starting point for a Literotica story. It'd probably have to be working from a recent version with adult characters.

That, or change the details enough that it's "influenced by Hansel and Gretel" rather than H&G per se.

 

[rescatooor]

I disagree with you here. If I play up the connection to the classic, then I'm aging up non-adult characters. What is interesting to me about the story is the interaction of the adult brother-sister witch hunters. I'm doubtful that Paramount is regularly searching Literotica for stories that feature content from their movies. There's a rewrite of "Back to the Future" on Archive of Our Own

Phew. I was already feeling a little crazy here. Didn't notice 8letters (and later Bramblethorn) was practically agreeing with me.

I don't think that film was very popular. I don't think anyone will really care.

I am kind or curious as to how you would build connection to the IP. With the title? Describe all the characters very clearly as 30+ year olds? Or are you going to also mention characters that were specific to this film (like Jeremy Renner's love interest)?

 

[8letters]

Phew. I was already feeling a little crazy here. Didn't notice 8letters (and later Bramblethorn) was practically agreeing with me.

I don't think that film was very popular. I don't think anyone will really care.

I am kind or curious as to how you would build connection to the IP. With the title? Describe all the characters very clearly as 30+ year olds? Or are you going to also mention characters that were specific to this film (like Jeremy Renner's love interest)?

My plan is to have the title be the same as the movie and then put a note at the beginning saying that the story was my rewrite of the movie. I need to touch base with Laurel to see if that's okay. I could write "Hanse and Greta: Adventurers" instead. I was going to have my story follow the movie closely at first and then veer off more and more as it went on.