Biden to Release U.S. Oil Reserves in Challenge to OPEC+

[Bud_Spencer]

At around $10-$12 gallon it becomes profitable to synthesize kerosene out of thin air -- yes, literally -- so you would likely still be able to buy that for your antique car.

The poor? Let them burn kerosene!

More wine!!

 

[pecksniff]

It has everything to do with it. We were a net exporter of energy prior to Biden's inauguration, now we go begging to the worst regimes on Earth to help us get the energy we need. All of this - every bit - is due to Biden's interventionist policies, and the reason we're eating the seed corn of the SPR.

In what country is Biden intervening?!

It would be meaningless to say the president is "intervening" in the U.S.

 

[LupusDei]

The poor? Let them burn kerosene!

More wine!!

If you're smart about when you charge your house battery or let it participate in grid balancing electricity will be nearly free.

But because of idiots like you there will be lot of pain before we get there, indeed.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

In what country is Biden intervening?!

It would be meaningless to say the president is "intervening" in the U.S.

He's intervening violently in the market. To the surprise of no sensible person, this is causing chaos in that market.

 

[pecksniff]

He's intervening violently in the market.

How is he doing that? By releasing SPR reserves? Nobody in this thread has even suggested that is itself a bad idea.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If you're smart about when you charge your house battery or let it participate in grid balancing electricity will be nearly free.

But because of idiots like you there will be lot of pain before we get there, indeed.

That's the whole point for the Left: Bringing the pain. Punitive leftism is about as much a tautology as one can devise. I mean, that's why wind and solar are the order of the day and not nuclear, right? Nukes don't require the wrenching overhaul of ociety that wind and solar do, so the latter provides much more room for the sort of social arm-twisting that is your stock in trade

 

[ll74]

He's intervening violently in the market. To the surprise of no sensible person, this is causing chaos in that market.

"violently" - lmao....you may want to talk to your fellow trumpy who earlier said he didn't take out enough oil.

The guy could manufacture gasoline out of thin air magically and you'd accuse him of catering to genies.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

How is he doing that? By releasing SPR reserves? Nobody in this thread has even suggested that is itself a bad idea.

It's a terrible idea, as I've outlied in several posts, and an unnecessary move.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

"violently" - lmao....you may want to talk to your fellow trumpy who earlier said he didn't take out enough oil.

The guy could manufacture gasoline out of thin air magically and you'd accuse him of catering to genies.

Yes, violently. Or maybe if the frackers and drillers just ignored Biden's dictates and went ahead and got the resources that are there, Dementia Joe would shrug and walk away?

 

[icanhelp1]

If you're smart about when you charge your house battery or let it participate in grid balancing electricity will be nearly free.

But because of idiots like you there will be lot of pain before we get there, indeed.

New product innovations have to be demand supported, cost effective and technologically prudent as well as sustainable. You can't discard what has been the mainstay form of energy consumption before you're ready. That transition will only be useful if it's done as the technology proves to be efficient and effective and allows for energy companies to transition to newer innovations which can be profitable, sustainable and most important can satisfy grid size reliable energy output.

It would be hypocritical to cry climate change needs immediate attention, buy solar panels and batteries from a country that produces the product while causing more ecological damage then our use of fossil fuels and in a more socially responsible manner as our current technology allows.

We are slowly transitioning and when all the oars are in the water we will be unbeatable and will do it in a socially responsible manner.

You also can't pick and choose one form over another, my point, if you want renewable green energy you have to include nuclear!

 

[LupusDei]

That's the whole point for the Left: Bringing the pain. Punitive leftism is about as much a tautology as one can devise. I mean, that's why wind and solar are the order of the day and not nuclear, right? Nukes don't require the wrenching overhaul of ociety that wind and solar do, so the latter provides much more room for the sort of social arm-twisting that is your stock in trade

We're at the very point it stops being "leftist craziness" and pure market forces take over bringing exponential equilibrium shift. I suspect it's already inevitable (bar some catastrophic events), the question can be only about the speed of transition. The faster it happens the least painful it will be for everyone, but the resistance is still there, of course. But that's actually why there's not so much new drilling, that it would likely be unrecoverable investments already becomes increasingly obvious. They won't give up trying to squeeze out every last bit of corrupt subsidized profits they can, sure.

Oh, the old nuclear myth. Sure, perhaps for the those ~15% of compensatory base capacity that can't be reliability covered by solar and wind directly (but eventually will be covered by storage supported by overbuilding solar) some "new generation" nuclear (with still need significant research) might not be the worst possible idea, but it's prohibitively expensive however you slice it, both in time and in upfront investment, maintenance, and disposal, and none least in politics, especially considering what a weapons proliferation nightmare breeder reactors can become.

Some little does happens in the field, like the liquid salt breeder reactor Bill Gates announced recently (surely not out of any kind of charity, rather the structure of the deal hints significant risk of shameless grift). It probably can be a workable support technology long term, but can't facilitate the primary transition, not in the timeframes we're dealing with already.

Solar, wind and batteries is current technology (and improving literally everyday), relatively cheap to install and with practically zero maintenance. Well, unlike the lithium batteries (we already can recycle virtually completely at profit), recycling of solar panels currently still doesn't pay for itself, but up to 95% of materials can be recovered and there's hope that with ongoing technological refinement, new processes and increasing scale at very least the economic viability can be increased.

By the way, greenfield solar farms are actually shouldn't be necessary, covering existing roofs and parking lots should already provide enough space for current energy generation needs. Unfortunately it won't all happen that way. Then, some agriculture (or at very least pollinator food blooms) can coexist with solar panels sustainably too.

 

[LupusDei]

New product innovations have to be demand supported, cost effective and technologically prudent as well as sustainable.

The demand is there. Tesla has backlog for like, two years of production?

Didn't you see what happened with Rivan IPO? And right after they fired the best marketing lady in industry for complaining she was not allowed in meetings once in three months with the company and was only ever contacted by texts after working hours... sure as fuck she will clean them for discrimination... but the hype was such it didn't even register, and now a shop with no income is ostensibly worth what funny money.

The game is on, and at large. It's fun, the BEV as it is, is a suboptimal solution, sure, especially in the form of an American supersized box pickup. The same materials could be better used for up to six small, cheap commuter cars that could already be cheaper than almost anything. But such is the marketing game of excesses imposed by induced mass insanity.

At some point that luxury demand will be met and the excess manufacturing capacity could be shifted from high margin monstrosities to that small, affordable and sane car nobody will want, but it will prove the point and finish the deal. Will take a few years, five, seven? Used BEVs will be in market by then. (Don't worry about batteries, there had been mishaps (and no doubt will be a few more), but as rule of thumb most modern actively cooled battery packs should live ~150,000 miles for every 100 of listed initial range, if not abused too much.)

And yes, the electric car may not be all rainbows and unicorns itself, but it's the gateway product that did make the jump and will turn the ongoing transition self sustaining and unstoppable.

 

[jomar]

It amuses me that, like with Obama’s economy, trump benefited from Obama’s energy policy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/?sh=6a5d19941387

 

[Bud_Spencer]

We're at the very point it stops being "leftist craziness" and pure market forces take over bringing exponential equilibrium shift. I suspect it's already inevitable (bar some catastrophic events), the question can be only about the speed of transition. The faster it happens the least painful it will be for everyone, but the resistance is still there, of course. But that's actually why there's not so much new drilling, that it would likely be unrecoverable investments already becomes increasingly obvious. They won't give up trying to squeeze out every last bit of corrupt subsidized profits they can, sure.

Oh, the old nuclear myth. Sure, perhaps for the those ~15% of compensatory base capacity that can't be reliability covered by solar and wind directly (but eventually will be covered by storage supported by overbuilding solar) some "new generation" nuclear (with still need significant research) might not be the worst possible idea, but it's prohibitively expensive however you slice it, both in time and in upfront investment, maintenance, and disposal, and none least in politics, especially considering what a weapons proliferation nightmare breeder reactors can become.

Some little does happens in the field, like the liquid salt breeder reactor Bill Gates announced recently (surely not out of any kind of charity, rather the structure of the deal hints significant risk of shameless grift). It probably can be a workable support technology long term, but can't facilitate the primary transition, not in the timeframes we're dealing with already.

Solar, wind and batteries is current technology (and improving literally everyday), relatively cheap to install and with practically zero maintenance. Well, unlike the lithium batteries (we already can recycle virtually completely at profit), recycling of solar panels currently still doesn't pay for itself, but up to 95% of materials can be recovered and there's hope that with ongoing technological refinement, new processes and increasing scale at very least the economic viability can be increased.

By the way, greenfield solar farms are actually shouldn't be necessary, covering existing roofs and parking lots should already provide enough space for current energy generation needs. Unfortunately it won't all happen that way. Then, some agriculture (or at very least pollinator food blooms) can coexist with solar panels sustainably too.

There is so much wrong with this post, I can hardly decide where to start. Suffice to say, if there is going to be a transition from oil/coal/gas/nuclear to wind and solar, it won't need the massive, direct subsidies from government it has been getting.

Wind and solar will never provide the base load generation capacity that nuclear does, and at about $0.02 per kwh. To cover the generation capacity of we have today with wind, you'd need over 1 million of the largest (6MW) windmills out there. And even then, good luke tryng to run an aluminum foundry or steel mill. It ain't gonna happen.

And if you think nukes have a disposal problems, wait until you're trying to get rid of millions of metric tons of spent solar panels, lead-acid batteries and broken windmills.

 

[bellisarius]

Ahhh yes, nuclear waste.

I need to talk to a couple of nuclear physicists (maybe a couple of Geophysicists would be better) I know of concerning that. What I never understood about the whole nuclear waste issue is why they just don't dump the shit in a subduction zone. It will just disappear into the bowels of the Earth never to be seen again.

 

[icanhelp1]

The demand is there. Tesla has backlog for like, two years of production?

Didn't you see what happened with Rivan IPO? And right after they fired the best marketing lady in industry for complaining she was not allowed in meetings once in three months with the company and was only ever contacted by texts after working hours... sure as fuck she will clean them for discrimination... but the hype was such it didn't even register, and now a shop with no income is ostensibly worth what funny money.

The game is on, and at large. It's fun, the BEV as it is, is a suboptimal solution, sure, especially in the form of an American supersized box pickup. The same materials could be better used for up to six small, cheap commuter cars that could already be cheaper than almost anything. But such is the marketing game of excesses imposed by induced mass insanity.

At some point that luxury demand will be met and the excess manufacturing capacity could be shifted from high margin monstrosities to that small, affordable and sane car nobody will want, but it will prove the point and finish the deal. Will take a few years, five, seven? Used BEVs will be in market by then. (Don't worry about batteries, there had been mishaps (and no doubt will be a few more), but as rule of thumb most modern actively cooled battery packs should live ~150,000 miles for every 100 of listed initial range, if not abused too much.)

And yes, the electric car may not be all rainbows and unicorns itself, but it's the gateway product that did make the jump and will turn the ongoing transition self sustaining and unstoppable.

^^^^^^^^
I fully agree that demand is on the increase. My point is some on the left insist on complete severance from fossil fuels based on the incomplete science of causes and effects of climate change while having nothing with grid capacity to replace it with.

There is, in my opinion, three sides to this monster. One is current available technology vs demand and sustainability, the second is manufacturing being eco-responsible and the third is deployment vs waste stream and recycling.

This isn’t just about electric motor vehicles. My opinion hydrogen needs another look at for propulsion, the earth is covered with 3/5th water. The left believes grid size electrical production can be provided with solar, batteries and wind, I don’t believe that will ever be the case, at least not until we can take seven spoons and transfer that energy to make the eighth spoon hotter than all the others.

Right now everything is measured through a political lens.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

^^^^^^^^
I fully agree that demand is on the increase. My point is some on the left insist on complete severance from fossil fuels based on the incomplete science of causes and effects of climate change while having nothing with grid capacity to replace it with.

There is, in my opinion, three sides to this monster. One is current available technology vs demand and sustainability, the second is manufacturing being eco-responsible and the third is deployment vs waste stream and recycling.

This isn’t just about electric motor vehicles. My opinion hydrogen needs another look at for propulsion, the earth is covered with 3/5th water. The left believes grid size electrical production can be provided with solar, batteries and wind, I don’t believe that will ever be the case, at least not until we can take seven spoons and transfer that energy to make the eighth spoon hotter than all the others.

Right now everything is measured through a political lens.

The Left thinks it's above every other law, why not the laws of thermodynamics, too?

 

[ll74]

Yes, violently. Or maybe if the frackers and drillers just ignored Biden's dictates and went ahead and got the resources that are there, Dementia Joe would shrug and walk away?

They can ignore permits.. certainly. But seeing as though federal land is what Biden controls...there's plenty of other land they can fuck up.

But truly there's no violence to ignoring the law. Unless you resist arrest.

Plenty of other laws like that.

 

[LupusDei]

This isn’t just about electric motor vehicles. My opinion hydrogen needs another look at for propulsion, the earth is covered with 3/5th water.

Hydrogen is terrible for storage and transportation, it seeps through practically everything, make things brittle and is explosive. It doesn't make much sense in individual passenger vehicles no matter how clever metal foam tanks you try to invent. Heavy equipment, as in construction machines, maybe, not without caveats, but those are hard targets for current (or even upcoming) battery tech. Certain aerospace uses in cryogenic form, yes, but even there's it have tradeoffs and seems to be losing to methane on practicalities.

Rather... once you go for water splitting (as opposed to producing from fossil fuel), the way to radically solve those problems with hydrogen seems to be, to go further all the way around and combine it with carbon capture for synthetic hydrocarbons production. Work on methods and catalysts advance rapidly and seems increasingly promising. In-situ fuel production by kind of artificial photosynthesis requires additional energy input of course, direct sunlight by default.

 

[LittleDixie]

The Left thinks it's above every other law, why not the laws of thermodynamics, too?

Bud, you've been making sense every step of the way on this, and they're just blind to it.

Even when all of this blows up in their faces, they will still find a way to not admit they were wrong.

 

[ll74]

Bud, you've been making sense every step of the way on this, and they're just blind to it.

Even when all of this blows up in their faces, they will still find a way to not admit they were wrong.

Lmao...sure he has

And when it doesn't "blow up"....you'll still think he makes sense.

 

[Lazaran]

They can ignore permits.. certainly. But seeing as though federal land is what Biden controls...there's plenty of other land they can fuck up.

But truly there's no violence to ignoring the law. Unless you resist arrest.

Plenty of other laws like that.

Pud ignores one other FATAL flaw in his anarchistic plan: Other vigilante anarchists who OPPOSE fracking and drilling on certain land will likely take their cue from the pro fossil fuel anarchists and start violently sabotaging their efforts as the government stands down from enforcing the law.

Sounds familiar.

Hmmmmm.

 

[Lazaran]

Lmao...sure he has

And when it doesn't "blow up"....you'll still think he makes sense.

And WHAT exactly is going to "blow up"???

 

[pecksniff]

Yes, violently. Or maybe if the frackers and drillers just ignored Biden's dictates and went ahead and got the resources that are there, Dementia Joe would shrug and walk away?

Can't run cars on natural gas.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Can't run cars on natural gas.

Yes you can.