Prescription for a revolt.

[Champakian]

Ah, a "peaceful revolt". How should we decide things...rock, paper, scissors?

Did you just gloss over my comments about the ballot box,
or are you ignoring the sounds from your moving lips and
just focusing on the running dialog in your head?

 

[WillJ8787]

It's as if you're the one spoiling for a fight,
you really want a civil war based upon your rhetoric.

I suppose this is the point where to inform us
that you are in charge of the government
and the military is loyal to the government.

Our system of govt operates independent of any singular person.

I'm definitely not in charge...thank goodness.
The military will defend the Constitution, as witnessed this past two years....thank goodness.

 

[WillJ8787]

Did you just gloss over my comments about the ballot box,
or are you ignoring the sounds from your moving lips and
just focusing on the running dialog in your head?

I disagree with you on this. But, hey, you can vote in any you choose...and let everyone vote and decide.

 

[CornusKousa]

....another low character pussy who isn't going to do anything.

Why would I do anything??

I've been through real revolts, invasions and full on house to house, block to block running gun fights that went on for days at a time.

I don't want that, so I'm not going to start it.

During real revolts, not kindergarten play time revolts,

Says the guy who's almost certainly never been in a fight (combat not throwing a couple bitch slaps in 6th grade) to the guy who's been in several hundred, including participation in a few real revolts.

folks will come.and find you....your digital footprint isn't erasable.

OHHHHH NOES!!!

The blue haired rage mob is gonna find me!!!

And then what?? What the fuck are you and the comrades going to do??

Seriously.... the fuck are you (D)ipshits gonna do??

But, like I said, too chicken shit to actually do anything.

We aren't the control freaks trying to force our bullshit down everyone's throats.... and slowly realizing you're not getting the compliance with that "progress" you want without going all Stalin/Kim/Mao on us.

That projection is becoming more and more obvious.

You're the authoritarian who wants it.... come and take it.

 

[CornusKousa]

Calling for a revolt is forcing your ideas on folks.

No it's literally the exact opposite.

It CAN go that way if it wins and becomes the authoritarian abuser, which happens all the time. But revolts are pretty much exclusively the opposite and in response to others forcing their ideas on them.

I know, you don't like being voted out of relevance in a free and democratic society, you don't like the hard work it takes to accomplish liberal agenda's here in this fully functioning representative democracy...so, let's have a revolt and start killing folks!

How lucid a thought!

Your thoughts and ascriptions, not mine.



I'm not the one who has a problem with democracy.

I'm not voted out of relevance. Minnesota and Montana are both very liberal states.

Far more liberty than any "progressive" dumpster fire like CA or NY. and with more states like Texas giving you authoritarians the finger, liberalism is well and alive bubba.

You and the other authoritarians stay mad about that.

 

[oggbashan]

The Weimar Republic and Venezuala are not the best examples of hyperinflation - Zimbabwe is.

As Rhodesia, it was an agricultural exporter to many other African countries. The (usually) white-run farms were productive and employed thousands of workers who lived with reasonable living standards by African norms.

After Mugabe came to power, his 'veterans' invaded and took over those farms and imported subsistence farmers who barely produced enough for themselves. Mugabe and his cronies systematically looted the country, taking over whatever they could until the infrastructure and finances collapsed leaving people unable to find paid work and inflation rocketing day by day.

It wasn't a political philosophy, it was just greed. We have, you can't have.

Yet there has been no rebellion. Why not? because the army and the generals are recipients of the stolen largesse.

 

[Champakian]

You are behaving very illiberally, which brings me back to an earlier point,
I don't think you have the slightest idea of what it is to be truly Liberal,

Liberals, true classic Liberals, do not impugn sans proof...

You are also being unfocused and erratic in your posting
as if your emotions have completely overcome your reason.

 

[Champakian]

I used Venezuela because of their ample resources
and prior thriving economy which, I don't think
Zimbabwe was ever an example of either.

 

[oggbashan]

I used Venezuela because of their ample resources
and prior thriving economy which, I don't think
Zimbabwe was ever an example of either.

It was, significantly so before it became Zimbabwe. It was a prosperous, well-run country and an example of what an African nation could be. But the natives were oppressed. They were not as oppressed as they have been since Zimbabwe was formed, and generally, they could be employed and feed their families. Not now.

 

[WillJ8787]

The Weimar Republic and Venezuala are not the best examples of hyperinflation - Zimbabwe is.

As Rhodesia, it was an agricultural exporter to many other African countries. The (usually) white-run farms were productive and employed thousands of workers who lived with reasonable living standards by African norms.

After Mugabe came to power, his 'veterans' invaded and took over those farms and imported subsistence farmers who barely produced enough for themselves. Mugabe and his cronies systematically looted the country, taking over whatever they could until the infrastructure and finances collapsed leaving people unable to find paid work and inflation rocketing day by day.

It wasn't a political philosophy, it was just greed. We have, you can't have.

Yet there has been no rebellion. Why not? because the army and the generals are recipients of the stolen largesse.

You make a great point....somehow these folks here think they know the exact outcome if a revolt, rebellion, civil war, however you want to name it.

The resulting turmoil will not be predictable.

I also think these folks here think their lives would be significantly better for and after a "revolt". History just does not bear this out. They seem to think "their side" will be in control....that can't see it will not be "their side" or "my side" rather some other new and much more devastating third side that will emerge to the detriment of us all.

 

[WillJ8787]

No it's literally the exact opposite.

It CAN go that way if it wins and becomes the authoritarian abuser, which happens all the time. But revolts are pretty much exclusively the opposite and in response to others forcing their ideas on them.



Your thoughts and ascriptions, not mine.



I'm not the one who has a problem with democracy.

I'm not voted out of relevance. Minnesota and Montana are both very liberal states.

Far more liberty than any "progressive" dumpster fire like CA or NY. and with more states like Texas giving you authoritarians the finger, liberalism is well and alive bubba.

You and the other authoritarians stay mad about that.

Darn tooting that these thoughts are mine and don't resemble yours....your nuts dude!

 

[Champakian]

You make a great point....somehow these folks here think they know the exact outcome if a revolt, rebellion, civil war, however you want to name it.

The resulting turmoil will not be predictable.

I also think these folks here think their lives would be significantly better for and after a "revolt". History just does not bear this out. They seem to think "their side" will be in control....that can't see it will not be "their side" or "my side" rather some other new and much more devastating third side that will emerge to the detriment of us all.

Pure ascription and assumes motivations and desires not in evidence.

 

[oggbashan]

You make a great point....somehow these folks here think they know the exact outcome if a revolt, rebellion, civil war, however you want to name it.

The resulting turmoil will not be predictable.

I also think these folks here think their lives would be significantly better for and after a "revolt". History just does not bear this out. They seem to think "their side" will be in control....that can't see it will not be "their side" or "my side" rather some other new and much more devastating third side that will emerge to the detriment of us all.

And that was true of the French Revolution. It was started by the middle classes but they lost out (and sometimes died) because the lower classes went on a wrecking spree.

As for the American Revolution? Those in charge of most of the 13 colonies before and after the Revolution barely changed. It was the taxes on the rich that started it, but the rich kept their lands and fortunes (and still do).

 

[CornusKousa]

You are behaving very illiberally, which brings me back to an earlier point,
I don't think you have the slightest idea of what it is to be truly Liberal,

Liberals, true classic Liberals, do not impugn sans proof...

You are also being unfocused and erratic in your posting
as if your emotions have completely overcome your reason.

He doesn't.... he uses it in a way that suggest he thinks liberalism = the left and whatever control freak authoritarianism they want. Just like most "progressives".


Even social liberals (left liberal) still would never advocate the kind of authoritarian psycho shit WillJ does. They just support good civil services, infrastructure and public safety .... lefties I can find common ground with, because still liberal.

They do NOT support the pursuit of equity through persecutions and outright destruction of the haves at the whims of the have-not envy mobs. Certainly not with the racist bent "progressive" put on it and WillJ so very much supports.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Will there be snacks? I'm not going to revolt if there aren't snacks.

 

[WillJ8787]

Pure ascription and assumes motivations and desires not in evidence.

I commented on Oggs post which uses two historical examples.

If you start acting like Bobo Corncobb for brains you will be treated in kind.

How many examples would you like me to cite beyond those two examples. Weimar is a particularly good example of how a Country set itself up for a revolt long before Hitler was even a player in it. No one could have predicted his rise years prior or how aweful that would be for the world and also for Germans.

 

[CornusKousa]

Darn tooting that these thoughts are mine and don't resemble yours....your nuts dude!

LOL.... so you ARE pro-violence to force your views on all 330 million.

Got it.

This is why you and the other control freak authoritarians will be responsible for starting the fight that your brand of authoritarianism will inevitably start.

 

[WillJ8787]

He doesn't.... he uses it in a way that suggest he thinks liberalism = the left and whatever control freak authoritarianism they want. Just like most "progressives".


Even social liberals (left liberal) still would never advocate the kind of authoritarian psycho shit WillJ does. They just support good civil services, infrastructure and public safety .... lefties I can find common ground with, because still liberal.

They do NOT support the pursuit of equity through persecutions and outright destruction of the haves at the whims of the have-not envy mobs. Certainly not with the racist bent "progressive" put on it and WillJ so very much supports.

Ah, nice walk around my actual comment....go vote,.do the hard work within our system to change it...that is what liberals do. Nice try Bobo brains.

 

[WillJ8787]

LOL.... so you ARE pro-violence to force your views on all 330 million.

Got it.

This is why you and the other control freak authoritarians will be responsible for starting the fight that your brand of authoritarianism will inevitably start.

I'll wait for your meds kick in for a lucid discussion.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ah, nice walk around my actual comment....

Not at all.

Just laying out how it is you and the other pro-centralized authority and totalitarian conformist are NOT liberals.

go vote,.do the hard work within our system to change it...that is what liberals do.

Yes.... thank you for highlighting another reason why the rioting mobs who get violent and destructive when they don't get their way (Progressives) are NOT liberals.

Nice try Bobo brains.

It wasn't a try.... keep squirming.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'll wait for your meds kick in for a lucid discussion.

Where was I wrong??

Or is vapid shit talk the best you've got???

 

[oggbashan]

What is worrying is that US politics seems more divisive than at any time in the recent past. Talk of a revolt is nonsense, but there is no doubt that those on one side or the other are not willing to concede any merit in the opposition's policies.

From the debates here, no one is likely to be convinced to vote for the party they don't currently vehemently support. The other side (either other side) is evil and must be stopped.

There appears to be no central ground, only the extremes.

 

[CornusKousa]

What is worrying is that US politics seems more divisive than at any time in the recent past. Talk of a revolt is nonsense, but there is no doubt that those on one side or the other are not willing to concede any merit in the opposition's policies.

From the debates here, no one is likely to be convinced to vote for the party they don't currently vehemently support. the other side (either other side) is evil and must be stopped.

The appears to be no central ground, only the extremes.

Except one.

People on both the left and right think a peaceful "separation" or "divorce" or "balkanization" , some sort of decentralization and better boundaries for both sides to have their own spaces, would be the best way to de-escalate and avoid further civil unrest and or even more destructive behaviors from being engaged in.

Last polls I saw had 30-34% of independents, 42-47% of (D)'s and 67-77% of (R)'s supporting some sort of decentralization.

I'm part of that group who supports it. I mean the USA is literally structured to allow this. No reason Alabama can't be the trailer park state and California can't just totally fucking N. Korea itself.... Mormon Utah, evangelicals Kentucky and libertarian Montana....moderate Minnesota... ultra racist "progressive" New York...... everyone needs a place to live.

The main problem everyone getting mostly their way is both sides also have a bunch of control freaks in DC who just CAN'T allow any sort of "live and let live" and would melt like the wicked witch of the west if they came within 100 km of a cup full of "Mind your own business"... other people in other states doing things they don't like means it's time for them to go scorched Earth!!!

 

[JohnnySavage]

What is worrying is that US politics seems more divisive than at any time in the recent past. Talk of a revolt is nonsense, but there is no doubt that those on one side or the other are not willing to concede any merit in the opposition's policies.

From the debates here, no one is likely to be convinced to vote for the party they don't currently vehemently support. The other side (either other side) is evil and must be stopped.

There appears to be no central ground, only the extremes.

I would argue that it's the center (mostly those not affiliated with either party) third of the voters that determine the winners. A third are hard core left Democrats and a third are right wing nutter Republicans. Those two thirds vote party, not candidate. it's the other third that makes the choice.

 

[WillJ8787]

What is worrying is that US politics seems more divisive than at any time in the recent past. Talk of a revolt is nonsense, but there is no doubt that those on one side or the other are not willing to concede any merit in the opposition's policies.

From the debates here, no one is likely to be convinced to vote for the party they don't currently vehemently support. The other side (either other side) is evil and must be stopped.

There appears to be no central ground, only the extremes.

The central ground is going to come from a few places....moderate thinking practical folks(independents and moderates in both parties). This number is larger than folks suppose it it.

I consider myself a moderate practical person given the last few years...I'd vote for a half way decent Republican if one emerges, especially to support an overall movement back to the middle.

A little more than half of voting age North Americans don't vote...that could change if things get worse here. It is actually an indicator....that things have gotten so bad that these folks feel the need to pay attention or participate. Someone should make some inroads with this group.