No one here seriously thinks Taiwan is worth fighting for, do you?

[bellisarius]

Dirty, not really, not anymore. They process a lot, and it's REALLY LOT of the process water and some of it they can't reuse because of real hard to filter out trace amounts of stuff that doesn't (and shouldn't) really bother anyone, but is enough to screw the insanely precise and delicate things up (we talk about clean rooms with one particle of dust per cubic meter max on average, that sort of things). But they now plan the new foundries in Arizona of all places. So they should have an idea how to solve the water problem so they can reuse it all or nearly all, obviously, or otherwise that's a problem. But maybe the stability of Arizona as a geologic platform outweighs whatever they will have to do to get that process water flowing.

Expensive, oh yeah, very. And not at all that profitable one might think. Packing that shit in shiny designer boxes and selling is the profitable thing.

The fab facilities use a closed loop water recovery process. Hell, the water processing portion of the plant takes up almost as much room as the Fab plant itself. Any water that's lost is primarily due to evaporation.

 

[CornusKousa]

Dirty, not really, not anymore. They process a lot, and it's REALLY LOT of the process water and some of it they can't reuse because of real hard to filter out trace amounts of stuff that doesn't (and shouldn't) really bother anyone, but is enough to screw the insanely precise and delicate things up (we talk about clean rooms with one particle of dust per cubic meter max on average, that sort of things). But they now plan the new foundries in Arizona of all places. So they should have an idea how to solve the water problem so they can reuse it all or nearly all, obviously, or otherwise that's a problem. But maybe the stability of Arizona as a geologic platform outweighs whatever they will have to do to get that process water flowing.

Expensive, oh yeah, very. And not at all that profitable one might think. Packing that shit in shiny designer boxes and selling is the profitable thing.

Things change quick!

Prices are going to have to go up if Taiwan gets F'ed in the A by the CCP then.

 

[Rightguide]

We won't be going at it alone. Taiwan is too important an exporter to the rest of the world.

It is the semiconductor capitol of the World, one of the main reasons why China wants to seize the island. The best semiconductors are of American design and produced in Taiwan. They are now considered by our government to be strategic material. Our failure to control that supply line will bring entire American industries to a halt, as we now see happening in the auto industry. Here is an article spelling out the importance of Taiwan to the US semiconductor industry:

https://www.discoursemagazine.com/p...islands-continued-freedom-crucial-to-the-u-s/

This alone is reason why we should prevent China from invading Taiwan.

 

[Dribble]

It is the semiconductor capitol of the World, one of the main reasons why China wants to seize the island. The best semiconductors are of American design and produced in Taiwan. They are now considered by our government to be strategic material. Our failure to control that supply line will bring entire American industries to a halt, as we now see happening in the auto industry. Here is an article spelling out the importance of Taiwan to the US semiconductor industry:

https://www.discoursemagazine.com/p...islands-continued-freedom-crucial-to-the-u-s/

This alone is reason why we should prevent China from invading Taiwan.

All it takes is building one manufacturing site here. Fixed. Just like that. One year tops. No different from any other company. Stop drinking the stupid cool aid

 

[Rightguide]

All it takes is building one manufacturing site here. Fixed. Just like that. One year tops. No different from any other company. Stop drinking the stupid cool aid

There's one being proposed in San Jose, CA for about 10-12 billion, but the product will be much more expensive. Taiwan and an American compnay are exploring a site in AZ as well.

 

[Dribble]

There's one being proposed in San Jose, CA for about 10-12 billion, but the product will be much more expensive. Taiwan and an American compnay are exploring a site in AZ as well.

If it was truly a National Interest...money isn't a problem. But there is a certain group...the GOP...that refuses to fund things like this. But they sure do bitch about it huh?

 

[Dribble]

If it was truly a National Interest...money isn't a problem. But there is a certain group...the GOP...that refuses to fund things like this. But they sure do bitch about it huh?

Just think if we could spend money freeing us from depending on other countries...

 

[Rightguide]

If it was truly a National Interest...money isn't a problem. But there is a certain group...the GOP...that refuses to fund things like this. But they sure do bitch about it huh?

Fund what? This is a private sector job.

 

[Rightguide]

Just think if we could spend money freeing us from depending on other countries...

Just think if we could afford the prices of everything being produced here. You'd be the first one to scream discrimination in a $1500 cellphone and demand a government subsidy.

 

[pecksniff]

You can ignore reality all you want, but you can't make me do the same

You equate "liberal" with "classical liberal." You classify the Democrats as "leftist" or even "Maoist". You deny the existence of the American plutocracy. In the political realm, your mind does not touch on reality at any point.

 

[The_Trouvere]

An increasingly aggressive China is testing what it can get away with, the way Italy and Germany were doing during the 1930's. When Italy got away with the conquest of Ethiopia, Germany thought it could get away with the invasion of Poland.

A war with China over Taiwan can and should be kept limited and local, the way the Korean War was.

I would like for the democratically elected leader of Taiwan to explain Taiwan's position before the UN. The leader should explain that it would like to join China, but only after China adopts a democratic government with regular contested elections, and open political debate. The leader should point out that Taiwan has a much higher standard of living than China. The leader should state that Taiwan has no aggressive designs on China, and only wants to be left alone.

 

[Pad_Foot]

The world depends on Taiwan’s chips at the moment
Best be sure we have another source if you are going to give that market to China

 

[Dribble]

The world depends on Taiwan’s chips at the moment
Best be sure we have another source if you are going to give that market to China

Lol. Ever wonder where the rare earth materials used in the chip making process comes from?

 

[PaxNurgle]

Leftist don't want us to fight, they just want the world to submit to the CCP like good Comrades.

How very NOT shocking

Then if you (and that Russkie troll idiot Bud Spencer) think it's so important, grab your gun and go over to Taiwan and fight for it yourself. And good riddance to you, frankly.

 

[pecksniff]

I would like for the democratically elected leader of Taiwan to explain Taiwan's position before the UN. The leader should explain that it would like to join China, but only after China adopts a democratic government with regular contested elections, and open political debate. The leader should point out that Taiwan has a much higher standard of living than China. The leader should state that Taiwan has no aggressive designs on China, and only wants to be left alone.

What makes you think that would help?

 

[CornusKousa]

Then if you (and that Russkie troll idiot Bud Spencer) think it's so important, grab your gun and go over to Taiwan and fight for it yourself. And good riddance to you, frankly.

Would if I could....already did my warfighting though in SW Asia and N. Africa.

Give me a waiver for that, a Naval commission and a flight school slot......I'd be all over it.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/h5KrkY3RHgIco/giphy.gif

 

[PaxNurgle]

Would if I could....already did my warfighting though in the middle east.

Bullshit. You have never served a goddamn day in the military in your life. (unless it was the Russian military, which is totally possible given the trolling nature of your posts.)

If you did, you would have far more respect- respect for this country and it's institutions, it's freedoms and the responsibilities that come with them, and the democratic norms, than you do.

And to claim to have served in the military when you have not is EXTREMELY disrespectful to those who truly have. But I would expect exactly this from you.

 

[pecksniff]

We won't be going at it alone. Taiwan is too important an exporter to the rest of the world.

I doubt even the British would be up for joining in a Sino-American war.

 

[CornusKousa]

Bullshit. You have never served a goddamn day in the military in your life.

Almost a decade, Army infantry, 82nd, 101st, 75th.... 6 combat tours totaling 4 1/2 years, full retirement,

If you did, you would have far more respect- respect for this country and it's institutions, it's freedoms and the responsibilities that come with them, and the democratic norms, than you do.

Where do I not respect it?? What democratic norms have I not respected?
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I'm all about private property, civil rights, individual liberty and democratic norms..... that's why I'm not a Democrat anymore.

And to claim to have served in the military when you have not is EXTREMELY disrespectful to those who truly have. But I would expect exactly this from you.

Yea it would be if that was the case.

But I have, and not being a socialist control freak Democrat doesn't mean I didn't.

 

[BidudeinWi]

There is no way a Sino-American war can end well for anybody involved. Even if it does not go nuclear.

Of course not. Why would we defend a Country we pledged to defend and one that manufactures 90% of ALL the computer chips we use in OUR manufacturing! No U.S. National interest there at all! What a fucking moron the OP is!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Of course not. Why would we defend a Country we pledged to defend and one that manufactures 90% of ALL the computer chips we use in OUR manufacturing! No U.S. National interest there at all! What a fucking moron the OP is!

Defending them would disrupt supply much moreso than not however. And didn't they basically agree WAY back in the day they'd rejoin China and now they are trying to weasel out of that?

 

[LupusDei]

Defending them would disrupt supply much moreso than not however. And didn't they basically agree WAY back in the day they'd rejoin China and now they are trying to weasel out of that?

However, there's also US promises to protect them. If those are not upheld, integrity of US alliances are in doubt. You may not think those are relevant, any and all, but that's rather delusional. True, many of us, the smaller allies pretend to be friends with the meanest bully on the block just in hopes he will keep the other bullies in check, but so far it works. Do we believe we would actually get the help if or when it's needed. Nope, we're not that naive.

But we keep up the pretense were planning on that, because that's what upholds the geopolitical stability in a lot of the world, pretense, and credible chance to force would be used if called for. You may be sick and tired of being a world's cop, but at some point you have become one, and that's not a responsibility easily shed. We know you much rather would sit home smoking pot and watch world burn, but it would be stupid to think you don't benefit from the order as it is.

And that's why openly admitting, or actually even openly doubting you would upheld your obligations to your allies is criminal negligence with potentially deadly consequences. Even if you never seriously planned to. Please keep the pretense you possibly might up, it saves lives. Seriously.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The thing is isn't defending Taiwan against China after, what was it? 2010? A little like someone defending Puerto Rico against the US? That promise was made to "country" or whatever the legal term is that belonged to the Brits. With that no longer being the case doesn't basically anything that happened prior to them legally rejoining China become null and void.

While I think there are better uses for our resources on every level and YES I am kinda tired of being the World Police I actually accept that its our job now and we just need to find out abroad just like we need to figure out in country what is the best method for being the police.

There is also the reality that a hot war between the US and China is one of those everybody fucking loses, possibly Japan who has no way to defend themselves and would be the most likely place aside from Taiwan if there are suitable locations there that we would be launching out of.

China poses no threat to the mainland US but they do have a LOT of bodies to just throw at us and its been a while since the US was in a war. Note: Iraq and Afghanistans were not wars, they were wakes followed by decades of insurgents that had no true leader. No singlular entity to negotiate with, and no government that had enough support for us to throw enough weight behind for them to stablize the nation. But as long as we chilled on our bases our personnel were in relatively little danger.

I don't think its worth it, I think we'd do it out of obligation and I might as well accept that just because I don't like something doesn't mean that's both necessary and going to happen.

 

[Dribble]

Again. Do some research. Where does the rare Earth metals used in the chip making process come from? All China has to do is stop providing that and the chip manufacturers in Taiwan comes to a stand still. So to all these war mongers...educate yourselves and come up with another excuse and try to come up with one that can at least be defended.

 

[pecksniff]

However, there's also US promises to protect them.

That treaty expired in 1980. Under the present treaty, we're only obliged to provide Taiwan with war material.