Build Back Better Back On Track.

[Lazaran]

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It looks like there will be a framework for the bill within a week.

It looks like the big climate change measures are being sacrificed in favor of the investments in human infrastructure.

I suspect a significant portion of the 1 trillion dollar physical infrastructure bill will be applied to addressing climate change via green energy infrastructure investment.

Thank you President Biden and pragmatic progressive Democrats.

 

[phrodeau]

Everybody can act to reduce climate change, not just governments.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[Lazaran]

Everybody can act to reduce climate change, not just governments.

Agreed.

Investment in a national charging infrastructure for electric vehicles is a pretty big deal though.

The two separate bills are coming in right about where I suspected they would be cost wise.

It's a win for compromise.

I'll take it.

 

[pecksniff]

Everybody can act to reduce climate change, not just governments.

If you or I, or even a million Americans, were to stop driving cars and switch to mass transit, it would not make any perceptible difference to the global problem. Only governments can do things that make that difference. Government investment could provide mass transit that tens of millions would use.

 

[pecksniff]

Agreed.

Investment in a national charging infrastructure for electric vehicles is a pretty big deal though.

The two separate bills are coming in right about where I suspected they would be cost wise.

It's a win for compromise.

I'll take it.

That is the kind of problem that is bound to improve, in both lowered costs and increased ubiquity, once electric cars reach a certain critical mass of market penetration, because the attention of engineers and technicians will be focused on it. When the telegraph was invented, there were no telegraph poles and no telegram-delivery systems -- i.e., a whole range of other things still needed to be invented.

I recall a cartoon by Gahan Wilson: A Renaissance-dressed inventor shows somebody in similar dress a television set, and says, "But then I realized that to make it work I'd have to invent a socket and God only knows what else."

 

[colddiesel]

If you or I, or even a million Americans, were to stop driving cars and switch to mass transit, it would not make any perceptible difference to the global problem. Only governments can do things that make that difference. Government investment could provide mass transit that tens of millions would use.

"Only Governments." I do not agree, economics are far more effective than governments. It is the advancing cheapness of alternative energy sources rather than the cheapness of politicians which will fix climate issues. The politicians will merely be bystanders, jumping up and down to claim credit for positive changes.

 

[icanhelp1]

That is the kind of problem that is bound to improve, in both lowered costs and increased ubiquity, once electric cars reach a certain critical mass of market penetration, because the attention of engineers and technicians will be focused on it. When the telegraph was invented, there were no telegraph poles and no telegram-delivery systems -- i.e., a whole range of other things still needed to be invented.

I recall a cartoon by Gahan Wilson: A Renaissance-dressed inventor shows somebody in similar dress a television set, and says, "But then I realized that to make it work I'd have to invent a socket and God only knows what else."

So, all those charging stations get their power from where exactly?

Energy can neither be created or destroyed only transferred. All those charging stations will need an electric grid which will power up using what for an energy source? big ugly windmills? Millions of acres of solar panels. Does anyone believe that panel farms won’t have an effect on our ecological systems?

 

[pecksniff]

So, all those charging stations get their power from where exactly?

Energy can neither be created or destroyed only transferred. All those charging stations will need an electric grid which will power up using what for an energy source? big ugly windmills? Millions of acres of solar panels. Does anyone believe that panel farms won’t have an effect on our ecological systems?

Less than burning fossil fuels.

 

[ll74]

It always has been on track. The media has made it into some bullshit drama.

It's called negotiating....we used to not hear about any of this bullshit..it just passed or it didn't.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Everybody can act to reduce climate change, not just governments.

Basically, THIS x 1000.

But it does help if governments don't delibaretly try to PROMOTE climate change, either.

America needs to focus on infrastructure and getting the economy back on track.

America does need to develop more clean carbon/neutral energy, but it cannot do so by simply shutting down fossil fuels all at once, cutting off the coal/oil spigot cold turkey. This is something neither political party seems to understand- one side is like "pull the plug on oil and go clean all at once" and the other is like "Ban all clean energy, screw the environment, because that's Socialism, or something."

 

[pecksniff]

Basically, THIS x 1000.

But it does help if governments don't delibaretly try to PROMOTE climate change, either.

America needs to focus on infrastructure and getting the economy back on track.

America does need to develop more clean carbon/neutral energy, but it cannot do so by simply shutting down fossil fuels all at once, cutting off the coal/oil spigot cold turkey. This is something neither political party seems to understand- one side is like "pull the plug on oil and go clean all at once" and the other is like "Ban all clean energy, screw the environment, because that's Socialism, or something."

Of course, "pull the plug on oil and go clean all at once" is not something that will or can happen. Any such transformation will be gradual, limited by the pace of technological development and public and private investment. The important thing is to keep up the political pressure in that general direction.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's a lot of hubub about nothing. The next Congress can undo it, or refuse to fund it.

 

[Champakian]

The only person really building back better is Hunter Biden...

 

[Dribble]

It's a lot of hubub about nothing. The next Congress can undo it, or refuse to fund it.

Like Obamacare? Oh....wait....we still have that...

 

[ll74]

The only person really building back better is Hunter Biden...

Correct...how's that place he's been building in your head? Still upset that you voted for him?

 

[Champakian]

That is the lame comeback of the week.


How about 100 freighters now stranded off the coast?
Boy are we still building back better than EVER!

 

[ll74]

That is the lame comeback of the week.


How about 100 freighters now stranded off the coast?
Boy are we still building back better than EVER!

I thought it was pretty good.

What do freighters have to do with Hunter? Oh...you switched back...got it.

 

[Champakian]

Never edited it. You just misread it.

 

[StrangeLife]

The only person really building back better is Hunter Biden...

Exactly.

If we gotta throw tons of money out the window, at least we should use it on hookers and drugs. That way we can have some fun in return.

 

[ll74]

Never edited it. You just misread it.

Never said you did, Sparky....you just switched topics back to the OP..after switching to Hunter, your teenage crush

 

[jomar]

Related to building back, Who Killed The Electric Car is an interesting movie

 

[phrodeau]

That is the lame comeback of the week.


How about 100 freighters now stranded off the coast?
Boy are we still building back better than EVER!

Are there any canals being blocked lately?

 

[phrodeau]

Correct...how's that place he's been building in your head? Still upset that you voted for him?

I hear that they named a moon after Hunter.

 

[ll74]

I hear that they named a moon after Hunter.

Hunter's influence on the art world has turned corrupt economies around.....and his Dad still continues to do absolutely nothing to indicate that he is influenced by anything Hunter is doing .....what a jerk.