Dem civil war intensifying

[Counselor706]

WASHINGTON (AP) — In their fight over trillions of dollars, their paramount policy goals and perhaps their political fate, this isn’t helping: Democratic progressives and centrists say they don’t trust each other. They’re tossing around words like “stupid” and “insanity” and they’re drawing lines in the sand.

They’ll need every Democratic vote in the 50-50 Senate and all but three in the House to succeed. Facing that arithmetic, public declarations of distrust for each other do little to promote the healing they’ll need to avoid sending the legislative essence of Joe Biden’s presidency down in flames, with potential long-term consequences.

“It’s not healthy for the Democrats to be issuing ultimatums about tactics” against each other, said Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt. “It’s politically, existentially important to us to be successful. We fail, we’re doomed.”

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[BabyBoomer50s]

Joe and Kyrsten will prevail. They control the party.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Terrible. Can we send them weapons?

 

[pecksniff]

500 quatloos on the centrists!

 

[Cubantripod]

If only both parties would implode.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If only both parties would implode.

Are you contending the GOP hasn't? What do they stand for anymore?

 

[Cubantripod]

Are you contending the GOP hasn't? What do they stand for anymore?

Trump's hostile takeover was successful. Cheney is the last of the Bush neocons that are still in the party.

 

[bellisarius]

The question is, "Will the "progressives" stick with their 'all or nothing' stance?"

If they refuse to compromise then nothing will get done, and that's perfectly fine with me. That would virtually guarantee that the republicans will take the house in 2022.

 

[pecksniff]

Are you contending the GOP hasn't? What do they stand for anymore?

"America First" -- but it's not clear what that means any more. Military isolationism? Protective tariffs?

 

[YDB95]

The question is, "Will the "progressives" stick with their 'all or nothing' stance?"

If they refuse to compromise then nothing will get done, and that's perfectly fine with me. That would virtually guarantee that the republicans will take the house in 2022.

Correlation is not causation. The Republicans are likely to gain seats in the House no matter what because that almost always happens in mid-term elections, and in this case they only need a few seats to take the majority. It's got little or nothing to do with what the Democrats accomplish before then, which will always have people like you whining about communism no matter what it is.

 

[Cubantripod]

"America First" -- but it's not clear what that means any more. Military isolationism? Protective tariffs?

Tariffs certainly, less military intervention overseas and less foreign aid to other countries and investing more of that money at home. I think the pandemic has taught us why we shouldn't be so dependent on China.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Manchinema is in charge of the Democratic Party. Joe and Kyrsten are kicking Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer’s asses.

 

[bellisarius]

Correlation is not causation. The Republicans are likely to gain seats in the House no matter what because that almost always happens in mid-term elections, and in this case they only need a few seats to take the majority. It's got little or nothing to do with what the Democrats accomplish before then, which will always have people like you whining about communism no matter what it is.

What is under discussion is not whether the repubs will gain, history and statistics make that a certainty. Magnitude is the issue.

In the Senate more repubs standing for reelection than dems (20-14) but 3 dems are considered vulnerable vs. 1 repub.

But that's over a year away and a year is several lifetimes in politics.

 

[pecksniff]

The important question is whether the internal division in the Democrats portends a split into two parties. Probably not, because the single-member-district system of electing legislatures tends naturally to produce two big-tent parties. The important question then becomes, can the progressives take over the Dems, the way the nationalist-populist Tea Partiers/Trumpers have taken over the GOP from the simply pro-biz Old Guard?

 

[YDB95]

What is under discussion is not whether the repubs will gain, history and statistics make that a certainty.

I wouldn't go quite that far. Twice in the past 25 years, a president's party gained seats in a midterm (1998 and 2002). I'm not saying I'd bet on the Dems pulling it off this time, but if the Republicans keep pandering to Trump and he keeps alienating everyone outside his cult, stranger things have happened.

 

[ll74]

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