Plz explain why Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are even in the Covid conversation

[BoyNextDoor]

Anyone? Why the grasping at such tenuous straws?

As far I can tell there was one report that "one treatment of ivermectin in a cell culture caused a 5,000-fold reduction in SARS-CoV-2 at 48 hours". But this was in the lab, at doses toxic to humans and was the equivalent of putting bleach on the slide.

I still cannot find the basis for Hydroxychloroquine. Why did the FDA issue an Emergency Use Authorization to allow hydroxychloroquine to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

But there is a shot that works and 73M won't get it. But they will take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

HCQ seems to work, and plenty of doctors have prescribed it. Ivermectin, I'm agnostic on, but doctors seem to think it's safe and effective. Both have been around for a while and have good safety profiles, the vaccines are a big question mark, hence the hesitation.

 

[Lazaran]

Anyone? Why the grasping at such tenuous straws?

As far I can tell there was one report that "one treatment of ivermectin in a cell culture caused a 5,000-fold reduction in SARS-CoV-2 at 48 hours". But this was in the lab, at doses toxic to humans and was the equivalent of putting bleach on the slide.

I still cannot find the basis for Hydroxychloroquine. Why did the FDA issue an Emergency Use Authorization to allow hydroxychloroquine to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

But there is a shot that works and 73M won't get it. But they will take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine?

Because Deplorables are weak minded fools who are susceptible to snake oil salesmen and their own political prejudices.

*nods*

 

[RobDownSouth]

HCQ seems to work, and plenty of doctors have prescribed it. Ivermectin, I'm agnostic on, but doctors seem to think it's safe and effective. Both have been around for a while and have good safety profiles, the vaccines are a big question mark, hence the hesitation.

300 million vaccination shots, only a handful of true adverse events, and it's still a "big question mark" to you?

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

 

[AlterErgo]

cause the largest State in India.....that has more people then the US is using it and has an infection rate of less then 1%


I know someone who was given it and recovered in 2 days

 

[Bud_Spencer]

300 million vaccination shots, only a handful of true adverse events, and it's still a "big question mark" to you?

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

It's far more than a handful, and no one knows the long-term effects at all. So it's not unusual to prefer an alternative known to be safe and effective in treatment.

 

[AlterErgo]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladi...ts-use-as-covid-19-treatment/?sh=78e3d27a6d9f


look at the results

NO CASES

https://www.bing.com/search?q=GOA+I...aqs=edge..69i57.10672j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS

 

[AlterErgo]

IV won the Nobel prize and has been used for decades WITH NO SIDE EFFECTS

 

[AlterErgo]

but BUM NEXT DOOR doesnt give as shit

 

[rae121452]

you can't claim a conspiracy without something that 'they' are conspiring about.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Both are being used by some doctors and they claim they work.

 

[ll74]

Because despite actual evidence from virologists that proves that the drugs are effective, Trumpies want a quick fix and also want to be the ones who "know" it's a fix.

Anything that isnt recommended by health agencies is acceptable.

The current one is something about radioactive inhalation or something....

 

[JohnsonLongwood]

Anyone? Why the grasping at such tenuous straws?

As far I can tell there was one report that "one treatment of ivermectin in a cell culture caused a 5,000-fold reduction in SARS-CoV-2 at 48 hours". But this was in the lab, at doses toxic to humans and was the equivalent of putting bleach on the slide.

I still cannot find the basis for Hydroxychloroquine. Why did the FDA issue an Emergency Use Authorization to allow hydroxychloroquine to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

But there is a shot that works and 73M won't get it. But they will take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine?

There have always been people selling magic curative elixirs and plenty of people willing to buy them. They've traded in the horse drawn wagons and the nomadic lifestyle for multi-level internet marketing channels and luxury condo living, but it's the same old scam.

 

[Lazaran]

300 million vaccination shots, only a handful of true adverse events, and it's still a "big question mark" to you?

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

The general science is settled on treatment of Covid, and general opinion is settled on Pud being a fool.

*nods*

 

[BoyNextDoor]

It's far more than a handful, and no one knows the long-term effects at all. So it's not unusual to prefer an alternative known to be safe and effective in treatment.

Vaccinations in their present form have been around since the 1940s. 80 years seems long term enough considering that of the 70M not getting vaccinated the probability is that 99% of them are vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella, Diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, polio and chicken pox.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's far more than a handful, and no one knows the long-term effects at all. So it's not unusual to prefer an alternative known to be safe and effective in treatment.

I should have specified "serious adverse events" rather than "true adverse events".

There are several mild adverse events to vaccination.....arm soreness and short-term flu-like symptoms, but those are transient and usually clear up in a day or two.

Serious adverse events are exceptionally rare. These are defined as

• True allergic reactions (i.e. anaphalaxysis...you cannot breathe). This seems to affect a certain subset of people who are triggered by ANY vaccine, not just Covid.
• Blood clotting
• Heart inflammation

The likelihood of someone experiencing one of the above symptoms is on par with winning the Powerball, as I recall.

"and no one know the long term adverse effects" is scare-mongering, plain and simple. We all know what the "long term adverse effect" of Covid is: Death.

 

[ll74]

mRNA doesn't last long enough to have long term effects. It is out of your system in two weeks max. They know this already

 

[Paul_Chance]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

This is why Ivermectin has gained traction as a possible treatment for Covid-19.

Here's the relevant summary:

Therapeutic Advances:
Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.


Note: This is the human version of Ivermectin, which the FDA has not yet given emergency use authorization for. Contrary to what you see tangled in a lot of media - the FDA strongly opposes using the version of Ivermectin for animals in humans, but on the human version says "insufficient evidence for treatment of Covid-19". Ivermectin is currently being studied in large scale randomized control studies, so it is "still in the running" as a potential treatment for Covid-19. The results of the large scale randomized studies are due later this fall. Ivermectin is still "in the running" in the massive WHO coordinated study of 200+ already existing over the counter drugs.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

There have always been people selling magic curative elixirs and plenty of people willing to buy them. They've traded in the horse drawn wagons and the nomadic lifestyle for multi-level internet marketing channels and luxury condo living, but it's the same old scam.

So what makes them think "gee today i will try horse de-wormer" rather than the cure that 5.94 billion doses of which have been administered worldwide

The magic one works and is free down at CVS

 

[pecksniff]

So what makes them think "gee today i will try horse de-wormer" rather than the cure that 5.94 billion doses of which have been administered worldwide

The magic one works and is free down at CVS

What makes them think it is that a Dem administration is pushing vaccination.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What makes them think it is that a Dem administration is pushing vaccination.

It was their Furher that said his Operation Warp speed created it in the first place.

I just do not get it

 

[RobDownSouth]

So what makes them think "gee today i will try horse de-wormer" rather than the cure that 5.94 billion doses of which have been administered worldwide

The magic one works and is free down at CVS

But the vaccine would violate teh RWCJ Prime Directive i.e. "Stiggin it to teh Libs HAW HAW HAW *cough*"

 

[Lazaran]

But the vaccine would violate teh RWCJ Prime Directive i.e. "Stiggin it to teh Libs HAW HAW HAW *cough*"

They're literally DYING to make "teh libs" look bad.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[WillJ8787]

Anyone? Why the grasping at such tenuous straws?

As far I can tell there was one report that "one treatment of ivermectin in a cell culture caused a 5,000-fold reduction in SARS-CoV-2 at 48 hours". But this was in the lab, at doses toxic to humans and was the equivalent of putting bleach on the slide.

I still cannot find the basis for Hydroxychloroquine. Why did the FDA issue an Emergency Use Authorization to allow hydroxychloroquine to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

But there is a shot that works and 73M won't get it. But they will take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine?

They are not in any conversation normal sane folks are having....and the crazies have already started commenting here.

 

[WillJ8787]

But the vaccine would violate teh RWCJ Prime Directive i.e. "Stiggin it to teh Libs HAW HAW HAW *cough*"

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