David Frum: Texas abortion law will cost the GOP electorally

[pecksniff]

One story i read, IIRC in O Estado de Sao Paulo, was that Mengele supported himself doing illicit abortions for cash. That struck me as superbly congruent with his wartime activities.

Don't see how. Doing illicit abortions is a very different thing from performing unethical scientific experiments on prisoners.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, there is a Deep State, but it is not what you think it is. It does not exist to aggrandize government as such, and not all the parties involved are government agencies. It exists to limit the range of acceptable discussion to the "Washington Consensus" -- neoliberalism in economic policy, neoconservatism in foreign policy. See here. As for abortion, that is a matter of indifference to it.

The Deep State is the powerful elite at the top of the managerial levels of the administrative bureaucratic state, who have accumulated power and sway over elected officials, who support budgeting agendas which increase and finance their expansion and existence. Now that these levels of management and authority have been cemented with dedicated leftists they have allegiances and motives different and apart from those of the American people who employ them. So much so, they are now a problem in that they have eroded the rightful authority of the American people to determine their own destiny through the democratic elective process established by the Constitution. They represent a source of Power and authority over the American people they are all but powerless to control.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Don't see how. Doing illicit abortions is a very different thing from performing unethical scientific experiments on prisoners.

Both allowed a sociopath to engage in the butchery of human beings, the obvious joy of his miserable life.

 

[Rightguide]

But that does not resolve the question of what to do if your wife got pregnant from it.

Morning after pill.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Meanwhile, also in Texas, a "journalist" shrieks that if a woman wants a dead baby, she gets a dead baby, no questions asked:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/promurderfeminist.png

 

[ll74]

Meanwhile, also in Texas, a "journalist" shrieks that if a woman wants a dead baby, she gets a dead baby, no questions asked:

The status of "baby" requires an actual birth.

 

[Rightguide]

cornguide's been watching too many liam neeson movies

Without law enforcement, you have no other choice for justice. I know you'd prefer to forgive and forget but that's a bridge too far for most type A American males, of course being single I personally wouldn't have to contemplate it.

 

[pecksniff]

The Deep State is the powerful elite at the top of the managerial levels of the administrative bureaucratic state, who have accumulated power and sway over elected officials, who support budgeting agendas which increase and finance their expansion and existence. Now that these levels of management and authority have been cemented with dedicated leftists they have allegiances and motives different and apart from those of the American people who employ them. So much so, they are now a problem in that they have eroded the rightful authority of the American people to determine their own destiny through the democratic elective process established by the Constitution. They represent a source of Power and authority over the American people they are all but powerless to control.

You've said all that nonsense before, but you never provide anything to back it up.

 

[pecksniff]

Morning after pill.

The pro-lifers are down on that, too, they consider it a form of abortion.

 

[domroger]

Case scenario for the males here:

Your wife is gang raped. What do you do?

Go full Death Wish .
Sertously it would be up to her ,it's her body and hope I could cope if she decided to have it .

 

[jaF0]

Morning after pill.

Have you met the Evil Bitch Kristi?

Kristi Noem vows to outdo Texas abortion ban, signs executive order restricting abortion medications

Salon|9 hours ago

Noem took her first step to restrict abortion access after Supreme Court's Texas ruling, but it may not be her last.


https://www.salon.com/2021/09/08/kr...utive-order-restricting-abortion-medications/


South Dakota governor Kristi Noem signs executive order restricting abortion access

USA Today|5 hours ago
South Dakota governor Kristi Noem signed an executive order prohibiting the use of telemedicine and access to prescriptions for abortion patients.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...akota-governor-kristi-noems-order/5768880001/

 

[adrina]

At the risk of upsetting the pro-abortion folks here, I’d leave the decision to my wife. I’m pretty sure the first thing she’d do is notify the police and seek medical attention. No doubt she would proactively monitor herself to determine if she was pregnant, and if she wanted to abort the child she would get it done ASAP.

If she is in Texas, sadly she likely wouldn't be able to. Simply because of logistics. By the time a pregnancy test is able to read the hormone levels and by the time she is able to get a doctor to confirm it, she would likely have a three to four week wait because of the lack of available clinics and doctors. That would be beyond the six weeks.

As someone that has no problem being supportive of choice and abortion, I'm not upset that you would leave the decision to your wife. I'm upset that you don't give the same consideration to other women.

 

[adrina]

Both allowed a sociopath to engage in the butchery of human beings, the obvious joy of his miserable life.

Well that turned out to be a true prediction: being the least bit pro-abortion does indeed drive conservative men to hysteria.

 

[CornusKousa]

But poor people!!!

And fee fees!!!

Then too fucking bad then, they can suck the big D of Democracy.

Probably tough on your kids getting uprooted, but I'm sure you didn't give much of a shit about that.

Tiger dad and militant Jewish mother told them to drink water and cry about it on their own time. Tutoring, music lessons and sports/scouts first...then they can cry.

Every day, too tired for tears....

 

[YDB95]

Thanks to California laws, Texas is adding conservatives on a regular basis...

And that's why Texas has gone from R+20 ten years ago to R+5 last year...wait, what?

I'm not convinced this is a win for Democrats.

Republicans thrive on "us vs. them" wedge issues to get their base to the polls. Abortion is a tried 'n true issue that will rile up the social Neanderthals.

Any threat to their dominant White patriarchy gets their dander up, and and is one of the few things that well get their fat asses off the couch from watching Fox News and to the polls.

I agree, BUT the evidence suggests the really hardcore deplorables only get off the couch when Trump is on the ballot. Besides, the suburbs were already trending more to the Dems, and this is likely to accelerate that. For years, suburban women (and probably some men) who support abortion right have nonetheless voted R because they wanted tax cuts and figured Roe was safe. Now they no longer have that rationalization.

I was living in Brazil when they found the bones of Josef Megele in Embu', not far from where I lived. He had died a dew years before, drowning in the ocean. Naturally, there was a great deal of interest in the story, and the papers carried headlines nearly every day about the old Nazi psychopath.

One story i read, IIRC in O Estado de Sao Paulo, was that Mengele supported himself doing illicit abortions for cash. That struck me as superbly congruent with his wartime activities.

That's like saying smoking is good for you because Hitler was a non-smoker.

Morning after pill.

If you can get it. But the people who've been pushing for laws like the Texas one want to ban that too. Not to mention if you believe life begins at conception, then the morning after pill counts as abortion. Would you still support it knowing that?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

The status of "baby" requires an actual birth.

The child was born, She killed it. And the abortion cheerleader is outraged.

 

[ll74]

The child was born, She killed it. And the abortion cheerleader is outraged.

Aaah yes, I see.....here I skipped the details because this is a thread about abortion.

Shocker that you'd conflate something that isn't an abortion with that story.

Not news that you don't see any difference....just reaffirms that the argument from you has no basis in reality.

 

[pecksniff]

What it comes down to is this: Many Americans who have moral qualms about abortion still want the clinics to be there in case their daughters get pregnant. They can easily vote for a pro-life party -- until the possibility arises that the clinics will actually be shut down or rendered inaccessible.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

What it comes down to is this: Many Americans who have moral qualms about abortion still want the clinics to be there in case their daughters get pregnant. They can easily vote for a pro-life party -- until the possibility arises that the clinics will actually be shut down or rendered inaccessible.

It’s convenient to bifurcate people into “pro life” or “pro choice” camps. The reality is most Americans support restrictions on abortion. Very few support complete bans with no exceptions, and very few support abortion on demand. The Dobbs case is the one to watch.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It’s convenient to bifurcate people into “pro life” or “pro choice” camps. The reality is most Americans support restrictions on abortion. Very few support complete bans with no exceptions, and very few support abortion on demand. The Dobbs case is the one to watch.

"abortion on demand" is a canard.

Like I used to tell Vetteman back in the day, something like 88% of ALL abortions are terminated by the 12th week, well before fetal viability. Another 10% or so are second trimester abortions. Third trimester terminations are extremely rare, something awful has gone wrong.

Nevertheless our chucklehead halfbreeds like AJ and BoBo Fatt yammer on incessantly about "aborting crowning babies" and "regulating health".

 

[ll74]

"abortion on demand" is a canard.

Like I used to tell Vetteman back in the day, something like 88% of ALL abortions are terminated by the 12th week, well before fetal viability. Another 10% or so are second trimester abortions. Third trimester terminations are extremely rare, something awful has gone wrong.

Nevertheless our chucklehead halfbreeds like AJ and BoBo Fatt yammer on incessantly about "aborting crowning babies" and "regulating health".

I don't understand the terminology of "on demand". Aren't all medical procedures on demand? Or is the statement that abortions requested by the woman are on demand while abortions done in response to some other requester not in that category??

 

[pecksniff]

Democrats see an 'opening' in Texas thanks to the state’s draconian abortion law

Texas' draconian new anti-abortion law, which went into effect on September 1, is having an impact far from Houston, Dallas or San Antonio. From Virginia to California, Democrats have been using the law to attack Republican candidates who don't live anywhere near the Lone Star State. The impact the law will ultimately have on Texas politics, however, remains to be seen, and journalist Renuka Rayasam — in an article published by Politico on September 9 — poses the question: will the anti-abortion law help Texas Democrats?

"The Texas Republican Party's hard tack to the right over the summer, culminating in the abortion law and election bill last week, has sparked a palpable backlash in the state," Rayasam reports. "For the first time since Texas Democrats' dreams of flipping the state leadership were dashed in 2020, many in the party are eyeing a path out of the political wilderness. As (Gov. Greg) Abbott and other Republican state leaders work to appease their conservative base ahead of the 2022 state elections, Democrats see an opening to notch victories up and down the ballot. The question is whether they can organize themselves to do it, which even some left-leaning strategists and organizers here doubt."

Texas remains a red state, but at this point, it is light red rather than deep red. Former President Donald Trump carried Texas by 6% in the 2020 election compared to a 30% win in deep red Idaho or his 26% victory in Alabama. Democrats are a majority party in large urban centers like Houston, Dallas, Austin and El Paso, but they still struggle in statewide races — and the GOP maintains a strong ground game in many of Texas' rural counties.

 

[Rightguide]

The pro-lifers are down on that, too, they consider it a form of abortion.

The day after, it's hardly different from a cleansing douche.

 

[adrina]

"abortion on demand" is a canard.

Like I used to tell Vetteman back in the day, something like 88% of ALL abortions are terminated by the 12th week, well before fetal viability. Another 10% or so are second trimester abortions. Third trimester terminations are extremely rare, something awful has gone wrong.

Nevertheless our chucklehead halfbreeds like AJ and BoBo Fatt yammer on incessantly about "aborting crowning babies" and "regulating health".

I don't understand the terminology of "on demand". Aren't all medical procedures on demand? Or is the statement that abortions requested by the woman are on demand while abortions done in response to some other requester not in that category??

The other one is "abortion as birth control". Some how they think that women are out fucking any and everyone and oopsy daisy since we got knocked up we'll just go down to the local suck-o-matic and that'll be that!

It's not only entirely mis-representative of what actually happens in reality but it is completely disrespectful to women.

 

[Rightguide]

Have you met the Evil Bitch Kristi?

States can choose to allow, or not allow abortion. That's up to the people in each state, so get busy, get off your ass, and start lobbying your state representatives. Bottom line, there is no federal right to abortion in the Constitution. Of course you can always amend the Constitution if you can find enough support for it in America. If you can't, well that's your democracy in action.