David Frum: Texas abortion law will cost the GOP electorally

[pecksniff]

Article here.

Today, accountability has suddenly arrived. Texas Republicans have just elevated abortion rights to perhaps the state’s supreme ballot issue in 2022. Perhaps they have calculated correctly. Perhaps a Texas voting majority really wants to see the reproductive lives of Texas women restrained by random passersby. If that’s the case, that’s an important political fact, and one that will reshape the politics of the country in 2024.

But it’s also possible that Texas Republicans have miscalculated. Instead of narrowly failing again and again, feeding the rage of their supporters against shadowy and far-away cultural enemies, abortion restricters have finally, actually, and radically got their way. They have all but outlawed abortion in the nation’s second-largest state, and voted to subject women to an intrusive and intimate regime of supervision and control not imposed on men. At last, a Republican legislative majority has enacted its declared beliefs in almost their fullest form—and won permission from the courts to impose its will on the women of its state.

This is a new reality, and one that opens a way for the prolonged U.S. abortion-rights debate to be resolved. If the Texas Republicans prosper politically, then abortion-rights advocates must accept that the country truly is much more conservative on abortion than they appreciated and adjust their goals accordingly. But if not, and I’m guessing that the answer is not, anti-abortion-rights politicians are about to feel the shock of their political lives. For the first time since the 1970s, they will have to reckon with mobilized opposition that also regards abortion as issue No. 1 in state and local politics.

 

[YDB95]

The last time the anti-choicers won a battle this big was 1989. That was also when a lot of once-red suburbs started trending towards the Dems - not a coincidence! This time around, Texas was already turning purple.

 

[CornusKousa]

The last time the anti-choicers won a battle this big was 1989. That was also when a lot of once-red suburbs started trending towards the Dems - not a coincidence! This time around, Texas was already turning purple.

^^ Is pro-abortion, and fucking hates choice and can't stand democracy.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Neocons, returning to leftism the way a dog returns to lap up its own vomit.

 

[Champakian]

People in Missouah and KANSAS
don't pay much attention to the laws of Texas when
they are in the polling booth. David Frum is not a smart man.

Thanks to California laws, Texas is adding conservatives on a regular basis...

 

[RobDownSouth]

^^ Is pro-abortion, and fucking hates choice and can't stand democracy.

Pro-choice ==/== "pro abortion", dummy.

 

[pecksniff]

People in Missouah and KANSAS
don't pay much attention to the laws of Texas when
they are in the polling booth. David Frum is not a smart man.

Thanks to California laws, Texas is adding conservatives on a regular basis...

What has this to do with Missouri and Kansas?

 

[Rightguide]

Article here.

I doubt it. Most people who can read understand the law is not racist and the left is always full of crap. The left's media has no credibility.

 

[pecksniff]

I doubt it. Most people who can read understand the law is not racist and the left is always full of crap. The left's media has no credibility.

The article is not about racism -- did you read even the quoted paragraphs? -- and Frum was never a leftist, he worked for W, and the Atlantic Monthly is not "the left's media." The Nation, Mother Jones, In These Times, those are the left's media.

 

[Rightguide]

The article is not about racism -- did you read even the quoted paragraphs? -- and Frum was never a leftist, he worked for W, and the Atlantic Monthly is not "the left's media." The Nation, Mother Jones, In These Times, those are the left's media.

Frum is a phony, and the Atlantic is a Deep State refuge. he and Bush are not relevant to the conservative movement, they are Swamp Rats. Nobody on our side gives a shit what Frum has to say. Nor is the law anti-woman.

 

[pecksniff]

Frum is a phony, and the Atlantic is a Deep State refuge.

There is no Deep State.

he and Bush are not relevant to the conservative movement, they are Swamp Rats.

Then so was Reagan.

 

[adrina]

Pro-choice ==/== "pro abortion", dummy.

I'm still trying to figure out what is wrong with being pro-abortion.

Besides that it makes conservatives hysterical.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Lol. Libs want to believe this somehow changes the 2022 midterm dynamics. Will be fun reading their posts when Nancy Pelosi hands the gavel to Kevin McCarthy.

 

[Lazaran]

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BabyBooBoo must not realize that a lot of the republican "Freedom" crowd is pro-choice. All the Texas "law" has to do is suppress those voters and motivate Democrats and Independents. Done and done.

This issue will be in the headlines all the way through midterms. The Mississippi case will be before the Supreme Court in October of 2022 - Right before the midterms.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm not convinced this is a win for Democrats.

Republicans thrive on "us vs. them" wedge issues to get their base to the polls. Abortion is a tried 'n true issue that will rile up the social Neanderthals.

Any threat to their dominant White patriarchy gets their dander up, and and is one of the few things that well get their fat asses off the couch from watching Fox News and to the polls.

 

[Rightguide]

There is no Deep State.

No, you have no brain.

 

[pecksniff]

Frum is a phony . . .

Frum coined W's "Axis of Evil." Is that something you want to repudiate?

 

[Rightguide]

I'm not convinced this is a win for Democrats.

There are a whole host of Democrat Protestants and Catholics that abhor abortion on demand. I think the polls show opposition to the issue crosses party lines.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There are a whole host of Democrat Protestants and Catholics that abhor abortion on demand. I think the polls show opposition to the issue crosses party lines.

You may be right (first time for everything), but I suspect that overall the majority of Americans believe in the right to terminate a first trimester pregnancy on demand, without exception.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

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BabyBooBoo must not realize that a lot of the republican "Freedom" crowd is pro-choice. All the Texas "law" has to do is suppress those voters and motivate Democrats and Independents. Done and done.

This issue will be in the headlines all the way through midterms. The Mississippi case will be before the Supreme Court in October of 2022 - Right before the midterms.

Yeah, you’re right. The census will be thrown out and all that re-districting will be reversed. And surely voters in purple districts across the US will focus exclusively on abortion laws that have no relevance outside of a few red states while ignoring the border crisis, inflation, urban crime, sidewalk homeless encampments, Afghanistan, and lord knows what else. Bet the farm that GOP candidates in the suburbs will praise the TX law, right? And let’s not forget Biden’s rising popularity. That will help Dems too.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"Abortion on demand" was in the talking points released today by the Y'all Qaeda, apparently.

 

[pecksniff]

No, you have no brain.

Well, there is a Deep State, but it is not what you think it is. It does not exist to aggrandize government as such, and not all the parties involved are government agencies. It exists to limit the range of acceptable discussion to the "Washington Consensus" -- neoliberalism in economic policy, neoconservatism in foreign policy. See here. As for abortion, that is a matter of indifference to it.

 

[Rightguide]

Frum coined W's "Axis of Evil." Is that something you want to repudiate?

He's a phony. He's granted air time on CNN and other liberal outlets because he agrees with them and trashes conservatives to their great amusement. He made a business decision to do so long ago. I don't know why and I don't care. The very fact that he is embraced by you and the commies on CNN and elsewhere only solidifies my belief that he is a liberal in disguise. Here is a quote from Frum:

"So long as the topic is “green jobs” or NLRB regulations or immigration, my thinking aligns reasonably congruently with the current conservative consensus.

But on the issues that today most passionately divide Americans — healthcare reform, monetary policy, social spending to aid the unemployed, and — soon — the American response to the euro crisis, I have to recognize that my views are not very representative of the conservative mainstream.

When speaking wholly and declaredly for myself, I can shrug off (admittedly — with some regret) the distance I have drifted from old comrades. When I’m called on to do point-counterpoint, I can’t deny that there is something false about the situation. The many listeners to Marketplace who share the consensus conservative view are entitled to hear somebody articulate that view as well as it can be articulated. The listeners who do not share the consensus conservative view would benefit even more from a strong presentation of that alternative opinion.

If I can’t or won’t do that job, then I should make way for somebody who can and will.

Accordingly, I have resigned my role on the Marketplace program, nominating potential replacements from closer to the present GOP consensus. I may not agree with that consensus, but I cannot deny its existence and importance."

 

[pecksniff]

He's a phony. He's granted air time on CNN and other liberal outlets because he agrees with them and trashes conservatives to their great amusement. He made a business decision to do so long ago. I don't know why and I don't care. The very fact that he is embraced by you and the commies on CNN and elsewhere only solidifies my belief that he is a liberal in disguise. Here is a quote from Frum:

"So long as the topic is “green jobs” or NLRB regulations or immigration, my thinking aligns reasonably congruently with the current conservative consensus.

But on the issues that today most passionately divide Americans — healthcare reform, monetary policy, social spending to aid the unemployed, and — soon — the American response to the euro crisis, I have to recognize that my views are not very representative of the conservative mainstream.

What "euro crisis"?

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

Case scenario for the males here:

Your wife is gang raped. What do you do?