No, the Dems are not Communists

[pecksniff]

Not even their marginalized far-leftiest wing is anything scarier than social democrats.

How did this meme get started?

 

[CornusKousa]

The official platform is openly ethno-socialist.

This makes all democrats to some extent, at their very baseline, ethno-socialist.

Most are democratic ethno-socialist.

The terrorist and violent rioters trying to "tear down the system" are very much communist.

And while the (D)'s may occasionally wag a finger at the communist, they NEVER actually cross them.

That is why.

 

[pecksniff]

The official platform is openly ethno-socialist.

None of the passages you've cited from it ever support that interpretation.

The terrorist and violent rioters trying to "tear down the system" are very much communist.

BLM ain't, if that's who you mean. Neither Antifa, for that matter.

And while the (D)'s may occasionally wag a finger at the communist, they NEVER actually cross them.

There is nobody to cross.

 

[CornusKousa]

None of the passages you've cited from it ever support that interpretation.



BLM ain't, if that's who you mean. Neither Antifa, for that matter.

Are you denying that the DNC platform revolves largely around the pursuit of racial equity?

We will take a comprehensive approach to embed racial justice in every element of our governing agenda

The extreme gap in household wealth and income between people of color—especially Black Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and certain Asian American and Pacific Islander communities—and white families is hurting our working class and holding our country back. Democrats are committed to improving economic mobility for people of color. We will fight to tackle intergenerational poverty and close the racial wealth gap.

^^ Overt ethno-socialism.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

You really ought to go read it if you think otherwise....they talk about it incessantly. It's very clearly a huge component of the official DNC platform.

They own it openly....why can't you??

 

[CornusKousa]

BLM ain't, if that's who you mean. Neither Antifa, for that matter.



There is nobody to cross.

It's exactly that, and those are who.

 

[Cubantripod]

BLM ain't, if that's who you mean. Neither Antifa, for that matter.

BLM leaders have said they are "trained marxists."

 

[RobDownSouth]

The official platform is openly ethno-socialist.
This makes all democrats to some extent, at their very baseline, ethno-socialist.Most are democratic ethno-socialist. The terrorist and violent rioters trying to "tear down the system" are very much communist.And while the (D)'s may occasionally wag a finger at the communist, they NEVER actually cross them.

That is why.

"If one, then some"
"If some, then many"
"If many, then most"
"If most, then all"
"i already told you I don't wear a seatbelt riding a bike! I WIN!"

 

[mayfly13]

The official platform is openly ethno-socialist.

This makes all democrats to some extent, at their very baseline, ethno-socialist.

Most are democratic ethno-socialist.

The terrorist and violent rioters trying to "tear down the system" are very much communist.

And while the (D)'s may occasionally wag a finger at the communist, they NEVER actually cross them.

That is why.

Not that I am in any way a fan of socialism/ communism or whatever

but as someone who grew up in a 'socialist' system...
AND was raised in that doctrine...
hearing you guys day in, day out pontificate on the same nonsense...

Have you even Considered reading Marx's philosophy
before pontificating out of your ass?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

BLM leaders have said they are "trained marxists."

How do you train to be a Marxist? Is there a UofM (University of Marxism) one can attend?

what happens if you're an untrained or unlicensed Marxist and you try to Marxist? Do you break the Marxism from lack of training? Do you have to buy the Marxism that you broke from not being properly trained and certified?

 

[mayfly13]

Do you EVEN realize how STUPID you sound?

You have no understanding of socialism's ideology,
yet you keep explaining stupid shit to people

 

[bellisarius]

They absolutely are Communists. Socialists are nothing more than 'Communists light.'

 

[mayfly13]

BLM leaders have said they are "trained marxists."

Another dumbass who never read Marx's philosophy, yet pontificates on him.

 

[CornusKousa]

"If one, then some"
"If some, then many"
"If many, then most"
"If most, then all"
"i already told you I don't wear a seatbelt riding a bike! I WIN!"

More like "If the official platform, everyone who supports the party" because facts and objective reality.

Kinda hard to support a political party and try to separate yourself from their official political positions.

 

[Cubantripod]

How do you train to be a Marxist? Is there a UofM (University of Marxism) one can attend?

what happens if you're an untrained or unlicensed Marxist and you try to Marxist? Do you break the Marxism from lack of training? Do you have to buy the Marxism that you broke from not being properly trained and certified?

Their words, not mine. Take it up with them exactly what a "trained" Marxist. In the end they are just as full of shit.

 

[Cubantripod]

Another dumbass who never read Marx's philosophy, yet pontificates on him.

You're another one of those "that's not real socialism" retards.

 

[pecksniff]

Are you denying that the DNC platform revolves largely around the pursuit of racial equity?

That would not equate to "ethno-socialism," whatever that might be -- and whatever it might be, it ain't Commie, except in the old "RACE-MIXING IS COMMUNISM" sense.

 

[pecksniff]

They absolutely are Communists. Socialists are nothing more than 'Communists light.'

And that's bullshit.

And the Dems ain't Socialists, neither.

 

[mayfly13]

They absolutely are Communists. Socialists are nothing more than 'Communists light.'

this would be such a good theme for a thread, something in that line, if you wouldn't mind starting.

I just think that the European and the American understandings of "socialism" are entirely different. They use the same name for two different things.
And I think that Americans too, have different understandings of the terms 'socialism/capitalism', so they argue blindly without any chance of resolution.
The plight of our era. We appropriate so many terms inappropriately - either out of ignorance, or deliberately to create splitting.

Fair enough, the thing about socialism/capitalism.

What annoys me is how Marx has either been appropriated by those who never read him, or used as an insult, (meaning you're a dumb collectivist).

I think Marx's ideas (particularly the economic ones) had many flaws.
But his ideas about human nature were very humane and empowering, and Not colectivistic.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you aren't for racial equity to various degrees you are by definition a racist. It is THAT simple. I don't understand how people find this at all complicated. There are no Marxists in any meaningful way or number in the US. There just aren't and to claim otherwise is so intellectually dishonest that its hard to believe anybody TRULY thinks that their are.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Not even their marginalized far-leftiest wing is anything scarier than social democrats.

How did this meme get started?

It's nothing more than an attempt to demonize the opposition.

 

[pecksniff]

Have you even Considered reading Marx's philosophy
before pontificating out of your ass?

Where do you even go for it? The Communist Manifesto is by repute a half-formed preliminary sort of thing, but please don't ask anybody to try to read Das Kapital! (A book 19th-Century Russian censors let into the country on the grounds that it was too dull to be dangerous.)

 

[pecksniff]

It's nothing more than an attempt to demonize the opposition.

How is the word "Communist" even demonizable any more? It's a spent force in world politics. Nobody is afraid of it.

 

[WillJ8787]

Not even their marginalized far-leftiest wing is anything scarier than social democrats.

How did this meme get started?

Partisan strategists selling it to the dumb masses.

 

[RobDownSouth]

How is the word "Communist" even demonizable any more? It's a spent force in world politics. Nobody is afraid of it.

I've been here on this site longer than most, and vividly recall "socialist!" be used as pejorative by the older RWCJers. They kept it up long past the time to realize that people were laughing AT the RWCJ, now WITH the RWCJ.

 

[mayfly13]

Where do you even go for it? The Communist Manifesto is by repute a half-formed preliminary sort of thing, but please don't ask anybody to try to read Das Kapital! (A book 19th-Century Russian censors let into the country on the grounds that it was too dull to be dangerous.)

That's the thing.
I understand that Marx was like Jekyll & Hyde.

Those who listened to those who read his economic proposals said they found him colectivistic and dangerous
those who, like myself listened to those who read his social psychology pieces -- beautiful. The kindest, most empowering view of human nature, in a time when people were viewed like vermin by social psychologists.

Could we put Marx into historical context?
What was happening at the time that made him overshoot his economical doctrines towards far Left, while his view of people was so moderate?